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What's happening in Cataluña?...Should Spain allow the referendum on the 1st October?
Friday, September 15, 2017 @ 6:12 PM

On 1 October, Catalan nationalists plan to hold an illegal referendum on leaving Spain, and declare independence for Catalonia if they win.

Spain's richest region, with its proud capital city Barcelona, could theoretically be turning its back and snapping its wallet shut, plunging the eurozone's fourth-biggest economy back into crisis. But will it happen? Will there even be a vote?

How did we get to a referendum?

Catalan nationalism. After separatists won the region's last legal election in 2015, they set about organising the ballot, based on the unofficial poll of November 2014, when 80% of those who voted are believed to have backed independence.

Criminal charges are being drawn up against members of the Catalan parliament for voting for the referendum, and against members of the Catalan government for signing off on it.

All local councils in Catalonia, Mr Rajoy said, would be warned of their "obligation to impede or paralyse" any effort to hold the vote. "What is not legal is not democratic," he insisted.
Unbowed, mayors across Catalonia posted photos of themselves signing declarations in support of the referendum.

In contrast to the 2014 poll, Spain's national police force, the Guardia Civil, has been deployed to enforce the suspension of the referendum. They searched a printer's shop and a newspaper office for election materials.
Spanish prosecutors have ordered both the Guardia Civil and the Mossos d'Esquadra - the local police force controlled by the Catalan government - to confiscate ballot boxes, flyers or any other items that could be used in the referendum. How the Mossos respond to orders from Madrid will be one of the big tests of the crisis.
The Catalan government has suggested voters on 1 October print their own ballot papers and, according to Reuters news agency, Mr Puigdemont says he has ballot boxes and voting papers hidden away.

Just 2.2 million voters out of a potential 5.4 million turned out for the 2014 ballot which, like the upcoming referendum, was branded illegal by Madrid.

The 2015 election was won by a coalition of separatist parties, Junts pel Si (Together for Yes), with the support of a radical left-wing party, the CUP. But between them, the parties won only 48% of the vote.

More worryingly for the secessionists, a public survey in June suggested 49% of Catalans opposed independence, compared to 41% in favour.

Turnout at the annual Catalan national day event in Barcelona on 11 September was impressive - around a million people according to local police - but in 2014 it was estimated at 1.8 million.

The urgency of President Puigdemont's referendum drive may in part be explained by the realisation that support has been ebbing for some time now.

How far will the separatists go?

Relentless positivity, good humour and wit have characterised the Si independence campaign.
Faced with a largely hostile Spanish press, activists expertly use social media to organise and inspire supporters. Seminars have been organised in foreign cities to promote Catalan nationhood.

Non-separatists in Catalonia can feel nervous about expressing unionist views or criticising the referendum, but the independence movement remains peaceful so far. There has been none of the separatist violence which plagued the Spanish Basque Country until recent years.

But nobody knows what might happen if Madrid does suppress the vote and offers nothing in its place.
"What can they expect from Catalonia but animosity, hate?" wrote one Catalan blogger. "No solution in sight."

Region or nation?

With its own language, a recorded history of more than 1,000 years as a distinct region, and a population nearly as big as Switzerland's (7.5 million), Catalonia's claim to nationhood is serious, even though questioned.

The urgency of President Puigdemont's referendum drive may in part be explained by the realisation that support has been ebbing for some time now.

Spain's rapid return to democracy brought devolution to Catalonia, along with some of Spain's other regions.
Prosperity followed, with Barcelona becoming one of the EU's best-loved cities, famed for its 1992 Summer Olympics, trade fairs, football and tourism.

But Spain's 2008 economic crisis hit Catalonia hard, leaving it with 19% unemployment (compared with 21% nationally).

The region, which makes up 16% of Spain's population, accounts for almost 19% of Spanish GDP yet there is a widespread feeling that the central government takes much more than it gives back.
This sense of injustice has fuelled the independence campaign, especially the demand for greater fiscal powers.

On the other hand, Spain's economic recovery under Mr Rajoy may have weakened the separatists' economic argument: figures from July suggest the economy has finally grown back to the size it was before the 2008 credit crunch.

Catalan became the joint official language along with Spanish after the return to democracy, but in recent years Spain has challenged its status as the first language of instruction in schools.
 

The region, which makes up 16% of Spain's population, accounts for almost 19% of Spanish GDP yet there is a widespread feeling that the central government takes much more than it gives back.

This sense of injustice has fuelled the independence campaign, especially the demand for greater fiscal powers.
On the other hand, Spain's economic recovery under Mr Rajoy may have weakened the separatists' economic argument: figures from July suggest the economy has finally grown back to the size it was before the 2008 credit crunch.

Anyway what do you think, should they be allowed to go ahead or should this be stopped according to law? 

 

 



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Falcón said:
Friday, September 15, 2017 @ 7:15 PM

I think that NO because it is anticonstitucional and illegal in addition not all catalans want to separate of Spain. Your gobernment are jump the laws and it could be very dangerous for Spain.


Bengt said:
Saturday, September 16, 2017 @ 9:29 AM

There is a very strong demand for a vote in Catalonia. The demand increased dramatically when PP took the agreed law changes into the Constitutional Court that had passed both the Catalan and the Spnaish parliaments.
After this there has not been a single offer from Madrid to solve the conflict. Compare this how UK handled the question of an independent Scotland. Rajoy should learn from that.


David said:
Saturday, September 16, 2017 @ 10:53 AM

'Unconstitutional' is one of the excuses that is dragged out by those want the status quo to stay. For whatever their reasons are. Let the people decide for themselves. If they think it is something they don't want then the vote will show that.


John Buchan said:
Saturday, September 16, 2017 @ 11:25 AM

If the people vote for it why not Catalonians want chage look at over 1million people gathering for Idependence.
The Spanish goverment is panicking due to the potential loss of revenue from that region.

I wish them all the best for a new future if indeed they vote for it .


John Buchan said:
Saturday, September 16, 2017 @ 11:29 AM

As a Scot living in Scotland the London goverment used main stream media and unfounded scare stories to keep Scotland in the union .
Yes we lost mainly due to that and the 3 new powers offered when the YES campaign took the lead
Now watered down powers to the ones promised .

Its now only a matter of when Scotland becomes independent.


pjck said:
Saturday, September 16, 2017 @ 12:47 PM

If "not all catalans want to separate of Spain" then they wil be able to say "no" in referendum...

It is not a question for Spain if they should allow referendum - if there is democracy there, It is for the people of Cataluna.

Unless Spain is simply and invader or occupying force.


James Moore said:
Saturday, September 16, 2017 @ 1:31 PM

Even if they did somehow get their independence, the idiot Catalans fail to realise their so-called "country" would immediately become a non-EU member. Without EU support and Spain refusing to acknowledge them, they would fall into a bleak financial pit which could take years if not decades to surface from. But hell, they don't care - as long as their language is kept safe - which will just say bollocks to the next generations of those living in Catalunya. FYI, there's 7 million people in Catalunya, 1 million of which are NOT Catalan or Spanish and THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO VOTE.


Terry said:
Saturday, September 16, 2017 @ 7:54 PM

Whilst this is possible the second most important political issue in Europe at the moment ( no process for guessing the first) it is impossible, without being a Catalan or Spanish to hold a valued opinion. However I strongly feel that nationalism is the most insidious form of politics. It is built on the idea of the "evil other" the so called boggy man. For some in Catlunya at the moment this is the Spanish. This may or may not be a correctly held veiw. It is certainly used by the separatist to promote their cause. History is littered with similar approaches. The problem comes when the "oppressed shake off their oppressors. It then only becomes a matter of time before they have to find another whipping post. Who will this be in Cataluya, the non Spanish, the residual Spaniards, the rural populations, the non Barcelona provinces. This may seem alarmist but the separatist will need to feed the hungry monster of separatism with more and more groups that are seen as threats to a national based unity. To illustrate this point try an discover one incidence of successful nationalism through history, each one has eventually implied. My point is not about the strength of weakness of the Catalans call for indipendance, but rather the political ethos that underpins it. The politics of distrust or have of the others is not a basis for any country to fledge into the twenty first century.


Wiz said:
Saturday, September 16, 2017 @ 8:38 PM

Yes, let them vote. I think it is a mistake to vote yes but a bigger mistake to deny their right to vote. If they vote yes, kick Barca out of the La Liga, end their participation in the Vuelta a España, and all the other Spanish athletic competitions because they are no longer part of Spain.


John said:
Sunday, September 17, 2017 @ 4:33 PM

Devolution is simply selfish, greed and racist. Not unlike Brexit or Scotland leaving the UK
We should e working together for the benefit of all.
Whoever leads or governs a union or a state or a town hall will have its faults

Stop all of this greed and build a future together that our children they can be proud of with people being happy living together in peace.




James said:
Thursday, September 21, 2017 @ 7:20 PM

Would the uk allow Dorset or Cumbria or ant tonw city or village a vote of independence if they wanted it or if the county council pushed a vote through supported by the residents


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