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04 Apr 2019 7:16 PM:

Today the EU voted to allow visa free travel to UK passport holders, deal or no deal (as long as we reciprocate). For visitors.

 

I cant add the link for some reason so please google  visa free travel for UK citizens in the EU  for more info

 

Jon



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04 Apr 2019 8:37 AM:

Ads

Thanks for the report, very interesting.  

We already have experiential experience of the poor forecasting done before major changes - as mentioned in the report.  For example pre ERM (that we later had to leave)  and pre-Euro. There is a lot of information on here also well researched but if I may highlight page 13+ and the 12 points (non quantified) ..... and page 17+ the positive overall (and quantified) effect of a WTO-deal Brexit.

Also the fears we were advised of after the referendum havent happened. No recession, no punishment budget, no 500,000 loss of jobs in the financial sector, no increase in unemployment (the opposite in fact) etc. Etc.

Poor forecasting is one huge problem, but MISINFORMATION is a scary problem.  When Nick Clegg was interviewed last year on the BBC and asked about his HUGE support of the UK entering the Eurozone and how he got it wrong .. He agreed that he had wrongly supported it, in hindsight, but laughed and brushed it off, and said that the EU (quote) 'fiddled' the information.  This was a senior politician, influential, deeply involved with this on an EU level, admitting that be was lied to!! I wasn't laughing when I heard that.

Most people would agree that uncertainty is bad for  business and the economy. This started when the Conservatives won in 2015, on a manifesto commitment for an in/out referendum. Then we were waiting for the date to be announced (in 2016... ) Then of course the referendum, the result and A50. Years of uncertainty in fact.

I suggest that this is far worse than 'normal uncertainty' .  We have seen a vicious referendum campaign on both sides,  families and friends split, political and constitutional crises, the country split, both sides losing respect for the political class, rising support for extreme right/left etc etc   Uncertainty-times-100!

Yet we have not fallen into recession etc in this horrible time, over many years. Yesterdays vote was very disappointing to me potentially dragging this mess on ....and on .... And on!  It won by ONE vote in 300+, a far smaller difference than the 52:48 for Brexit.

Obviously I am pro Brexit, with no satisfactory deal, I want a WTO-deal next week and bring this to an end.  Then we can stop discussing about forecasts and fears, and get on with dealing with the ACTUAL problems that will probably arise. As we have somehow dealt with after years of extreme uncertainty.

With my personal circumstances I have also been affected financially and practically .. and I don't expect to recover soon. So before anyone makes a blanket accusation that I am self serving, understand that that is wrong.  

Thanks again Ads for a great report.

Jon

 


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01 Apr 2019 10:00 AM:

You know how it is with lawyers .... One can find 2 equally and highly qualified people totally disagreeing on matters of law.

There are a group of eminent lawyers (& QC's) that argue very effectively for us leaving in a couple of weeks on WTO rules.  If you open the links you will read well constructed and well explained arguments, but beware, in advance, that they are firmly  pro Brexit. 

It takes a little time to carefully read the information here, but these are obviously VERY complex issues.  I do believe that one-liners or short paragraphs dont give enough information to decide.  So have a read if you have a few minutes free.

Jon

https://lawyersforbritain.org/leaving-the-eu-on-wto-terms-pulling-down-the-barriers-to-world-trade

 

https://lawyersforbritain.org/we-dont-owe-the-eu-any-money

 

https://lawyersforbritain.org/brexit-legal-guide

 

https://lawyersforbritain.org/about-us/who-we-are

 

https://lawyersforbritain.org/why-brexiteers-right-to-reject-theresa-mays-deal

 

 

 

 


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