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Legal tip 483. Justice for Law: Banks listen please
Tuesday, March 29, 2011 @ 1:15 PM

 Valencian Judges Association  Jueces para la Democracia considers that it is needed a reform with retroactive effects: Banks cannot be benefitted at the expense of lifelong debts for citizens.

Banks need to acknowledge their liabilities regarding the financial and economic crisis and therefore the closure of the debt through the dation in payment process (giving houses to the Bank) is a matter of Justice.

Social circumstances and consideration to individual people have made Judges start passing new decisions in Spain by which giving the house to the Bank extinguishes the debt. First Court decision was passed by Navarre Court in January.

ADICAE, the association of users of Banks, Saving Banks and Insurance Companies is fighting hard for Users rights to be heard. They are setting forty informative tables in 28 provinces of 15 autonomous communities for the support of citizenship.

Just in Valencia region more than 50.000 people have lost their homes during the last four years due to the impossibility of meeting the mortgage loan.

Lawyers, Economists and Judges have a beautiful role to play in this battle: good lawsuits well argumented and defended, probably with econometrics studies attached will make Judges to see clear how the whole burden of irresponsible credit activities and obscene past and present benefits by Banks cannot become the way to kill the life or families and people by devastating their economies.

In this sense it is good that Consumers Law is a consolidated discipline in our modern legal orders by which the weak party within a commercial transaction have a set of assumptions and privileges on his favor. A market which is respectful towards consumers rights become humanized and balanced for the benefit of all, for the benefit of the market itself too. It is a win-win discipline.

In equity and justice I can see someone being liable before his creditor with all his goods (present and future) if the creditor was completely foreign to the creation and promotion of an irresponsible credit object and the debtor was fully aware of all the risks and consequences.

But….if the creditor, being the professional party lent without the required responsibility (without paying attention to risks, making the credit object something intrinsically and potentially impossible, without meeting the required standards of professional diligence and serious balance of benefits/risk), the consumer, who is the weak, non-professional and inexperienced part needs to be covered by the standards of Consumers Law and protection.

New Laws on financial consumer protection should also include some retroactive measures for past irresponsible credits (for instance mortgages of more than the 60-70% of the value) inspired by principles of Consumers Law and classic legal categories such as equity, proportionality, ad impossibilia nemo tenetur…. At the end of the day, the Sources of the Spanish Law order are Law, Uses and General Principles of Law.

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Gavin Healy said:
Tuesday, March 29, 2011 @ 12:57 PM

Maria,

This is obviously a hot topic at present and I was reading last week of a petition within Spain requiring 500,000 signature to get congress to vote on this matter.

There is no doubt a huge number of people are suffering due to the gloabla crisis of the last few years and its seems those struggling most under the current legislation may never recover.

With this in mind how likely do you think the Spanish rules around lending and only being able to recover the property the loan is secured against are likely to change and if they did how long could it take.

Regards

Gavin

Please reply to gavinhealy@blueyonder.co.uk


Maria said:
Tuesday, March 29, 2011 @ 2:57 PM

I am confident something will be done. Specially in respect of those mortgages which covered more than 60-70% of the property price. It is clear this was an irresponsable risk.



Anne said:
Wednesday, March 30, 2011 @ 10:58 AM

Thanks for keeping everyone informed Maria and good luck with all your endeavours to protect consumers.



Maria said:
Wednesday, March 30, 2011 @ 12:12 PM

Thanks Anne
Maria


norman said:
Tuesday, April 5, 2011 @ 2:28 PM

First of all morgages are a fraud.No one can buy a house that has a debt on it.The debt is cleared first by your signature.You the aplicant are the creditor and the debtor.The bank merely cashes the check you produce with the treasury and then they pay the debt.The house is yours from the begining.Then they get you to pay approx 3 times the value over 25 - 30 years.
Total fraud!
For a contract to be valid both parties have to have risk.The bank has no risk at all as they bring nothing to the contract.Fiat currency has no value,until you work value into it.
Therefore morgages are void.The truth of the matter is that lawyers are trained by bank funded universities and the whole legal system is set up to protect the banks.A court is a bank.
Most lawyers no nothing about the law and are only experts in statutes which they make us believe are laws.
How can they be when they,a few members of society make up new statutes everyday and when it suits them they repeel them.
No statutes are not laws.The law is the law and it can not be changed because it has proved itself unchangable.Nothing will change despite all the talking until we achieve democracy and not what we have today,the ilusion of democracy.
I am a living blood and fleah man and the council want me to pay tax on a fiction.Plus valia is a fictional sum they say has risen in value.Fisrtly the land is only sold once before the building was erected.So how can it have risen in value.If you show this to the judge he will ignore this undeniable proof and resort to force.The force of the law,Might is not right.If you had truth in justice there would be no need for force.Its all a scam.The LAW,Legal statutes ,big difference,dont confuse them.Go to and listen to Robert bernard or Mary Elisabeth croft.Also google TPUC ,Freemen on the land,The uk column,then be prepared to be angry and then spread the word.The people who rule us are few,we are billions and if we unite we can change the world.Instead of your taxes being used to murder people in so called legal wars (who do these people think they are?) we can share the world and live in peace.


janice. said:
Tuesday, April 5, 2011 @ 2:40 PM

Dear Maria, Thank you for your very interesting article. We are in the process of paying our Mortgage of 25 years, we are into the 9th year now but as a result of losing my job over a year ago, and not being able to find a new one. In my particular area, Canary Islands there is over 30% unemployment, we are finding it extremely difficult to make the payments each month. I have tried talking to our Bank about interest only or being able to extend the mortgage but they have been very unhelpful and said there is nothing they can do .we were granted a 80% mortgage in 2002. is there anything we can do ?? Any suggestions you have would be of a great help.


janice. said:
Tuesday, April 5, 2011 @ 2:54 PM

DEar Norman, I agree with you 100%, and have read lots of articles about the Banking Scam, but how can we get the people to see the truth and come together to change the System ?? Most people I have spoken to, don´t want to listen or don´t believe it or think I am crazy to even try. Have taken the first step by taking my complaint against my Bank to The Bank of Spain and they reduced the min.interest rate on my contract but without a good lawyer and lots of spare cash I can not take my case any further !!


Maria said:
Tuesday, April 5, 2011 @ 3:07 PM

If the Bank is not willing to change the conditions and you cannot afford the repayment.... there is just one thing I can see: dation in payment.


janice. said:
Wednesday, April 6, 2011 @ 10:45 AM

Thank you for your reply, but Our Bank is saying they are not interested in accepting dation in payment. Where do we stand from a legal point of view ??


Maria said:
Wednesday, April 6, 2011 @ 10:47 AM

Dation is a right, so even if the Bank does not accept it, my advise for you is to formally proceed to issue a legal notice for this.


janice. said:
Wednesday, April 6, 2011 @ 6:58 PM

Dear Maria, Thank you for that information. I shall be contacting my Bank again to proceed with the dation.


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