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Poll: Should Spain introduce a Vaccination card?
Wednesday, December 30, 2020 @ 10:43 PM

The president of Andalusia's Regional Government, Juanma Moreno, has confirmed that he and his colleagues are looking into the possibility of issuing some kind of "certificate" of vaccination or "vaccine card" against covid-19 which will allow the holder to travel, go to football matches and other big event venues. However, he also stressed that vaccination will never be compulsory. Moreno made the comments to journalists during a press conference held in the Sierra Nevada ski resort in Granada, explaining that whilst vaccination will not be obligatory, a certificate of vaccination might well become compulsory in order to be able to travel or to take part in certain activities.

The regional president reiterated that the authorities could not make anyone have the vaccination against their will, but that it was a "moral obligation that we owe to ourselves and to others" and that it in no way infringed anyone's personal liberties.

He did, however, emphasise that in the near future, participation in some activities would require a vaccination certificate, the format of which is still being studied. It could be in the form of an identity card or a QR code, but it would prove "categorically" that the holder had been vaccinated.

As an example of restricted activities, Moreno mentioned football matches, concerts and other events where large crowds of people get together - none of which will be accessible without either this certificate or a negative PCR test carried out in the previous 72 hours.

"In short, it is a guarantee", he summarised, confirming that proof of vaccination would indeed become compulsory to attend this type of large-scale event. Something that will probably be introduced across Europe.

This begs the question if you create a vaccination card are you not effectively making vaccinations compulsory?

It's not that I am against vaccinations, anything but, however, if someone does decide not to be vaccinated does that mean they will effectively be sidelined as citizens not being able to access or uses public and even private services? Will you need a vaccination card to go on a bus, a plane or a train? Go into a cinema, restaurant or nightclub? Where will the line be drawn? If your freedom can be limited by a vaccination card is it the right thing to introduce or is general public safety more important than one's personal freedom?

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Falcón said:
Wednesday, December 30, 2020 @ 11:59 PM

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marcbernard said:
Thursday, December 31, 2020 @ 9:34 AM

Andaluz has a very right wing government. Their suggestion is typical thereof! I am not an antivaxa, either.

DJF42 said:
Thursday, December 31, 2020 @ 11:42 AM

Do not agree. I seem to recall that we all had vaccinations when we were kids and they were on our medical records. What about the annual flu jab, Vacuna Gripo, on my records. Before very long covid 19 will be as common as the annual flu out breaks, they are all of a covid or sars nature. Every year people die from flu complications, OK this is a particually virilent strain but it won't be for long, once vaccination kicks in. Should they really want to check before going anywhere use the same system as the car number plate recognision system, scan medical card, bang, up comes your vaccinations.
As regards the previous comment isn't the case that it usually the left that requires control of the population, Marx, Soviet, Europe for example.

mestala said:
Saturday, January 2, 2021 @ 8:44 AM

And people in the uk think the gov there has gone authoritanian..bet the beeb don't cover this,but would be all over it if/when gov in uk suggest it

ufotour said:
Saturday, January 2, 2021 @ 10:22 AM

What about people like a friend I was talking to last night who aren't anti vaxxers but have unusual chronic illnesses and don't feel that any research has been done as to if and how the vaccination may affect them.

pommers said:
Saturday, January 2, 2021 @ 11:57 AM

It's a tough one. I will probably get vaccinated but there are people who are allergic to the vaccine and therefore can't have it. Will they be excluded?

Julie said:
Saturday, January 2, 2021 @ 12:23 PM

So where are the results of the poll?

mac75 said:
Saturday, January 2, 2021 @ 3:28 PM

When you vote, you will see the results!

dunworkin said:
Saturday, January 2, 2021 @ 7:24 PM

What if you have antibodies because you had the virus? Will a certificate for antibodies not be included? It's the same thing surely

Patrick said:
Sunday, January 3, 2021 @ 12:37 AM

The biotech inoculation is not a vaccine in the traditional sense. The biotech jab injects a shot of human RNA into your body that reprograms your own immune system. So, some unanswered questions arise: where does the original RNA content derive from? Who is doing the programming? Why does everybody in the world have to take this biotech RNA inoculation? Do you want human RNA from an unknown source injected into your body? I don't. But the way things are going, it will be mandatory.

Raymond Taylor said:
Sunday, January 3, 2021 @ 11:28 AM

It is well known that case numbers are grossly false due to a flawed testing regime using over amplified sampling.
Many deaths are being attributed to COVID when other serious conditions are involved.
Many deaths, 50%ish occurred in care homes where people were irresponsibly?herded thus being unnecessarily infected or actually spreading the infection, all amongst people who were mostly already vulnerable and immune weak.
Many peoples lives have been destroyed with people losing their jobs and businesses with depression and suicide on the rise, but it seems that’s not enough, we want to destroy another section of societies lives just for being suspicious or sceptical.
At 77 years old should I not be cautious about a rushed and inadequately tested chemical.
This is all beginning to remind me of a past horror which I will refrain from naming.
Thank you

susan attwood said:
Sunday, January 3, 2021 @ 3:42 PM

the problem lies with people such as myself, and a couple of my friends who, for health reasons cannot have the vaccine. I am not anti-vaccine, but I cannot have either vaccine. As her immunity does not require 100% vaccination to be effective, this sort of legislation would be very unfair

Alistair said:
Sunday, January 3, 2021 @ 6:25 PM

Interesting article.
Should Spain introduce a vaccination card?
My view is a resounding YES provided it is not mandatory.
Should the people who receive the vaccination be treated differently to those who through their own personal choice and not because it may cause other health issue?.
My view is YES.
Should people who through their own personal choice be barred from flights etc ? Yes. You have no human right to contaminate others with a fateful disease.
Imagine Ryanair advertise two flights. The 1pm flight declares all onboard have voluntarily taken the Covid vaccine. The 2pm flight says only 20% can demonstrate they have taken the vaccine. Which one will all the doubters take?
The article asks ‘ If you create a vaccination card are you not effectively making vaccinations compulsory?
No. With choices come consequences. I cannot wait to receive my vaccination and receive hopefully some sort of certificate that allows me to restart my travels .
Now in my 70s I’ve travelled the world for the past 10 years and this has only been possible by producing certificates to demonstrate to Middle East, Far East, African and Central/South America countries that I have had numerous vaccinations and am not a likely carrier of fateful diseases such as yellow fever etc. Of course adults should not be forced to be vaccinated but if they choose not to and therefore cannot demonstrate that they are not a likely carrier of a fatal virus then they should refrain from travelling or attending large gatherings. As I have said in my opinion (and its just my opinion) no human has the right to contaminate other humans because of their beliefs whether they are left right or centre.
By the way I was vaccinated for diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis and smallpox. Later I was vaccinated against poliomyelitis. All of these awful diseases have to a very large extent been eradicated from the U.K. thanks to vaccinations.
Stay SAFE.

Charlietwice said:
Sunday, January 3, 2021 @ 9:28 PM

We’re treading very dangerous ground here. As some people won’t be getting the vaccination until much later then anyone further down the list should not be excluded. Having said that, I believe with some of the ridiculous decisions made (of which very few have actually been properly explained) since all this started, its dangerous to give such people the power over people. As others have said, what about those who can’t have it or have a reaction? The right of choice is slowly being eroded. It’ll be cashless society next, and that way they know exactly where you are.

jhna said:
Monday, January 4, 2021 @ 1:35 PM

Yes