Property Management Company?

Dear all, please come down. g fisk in order to get things in the "orden del dia" you would normally ask the president or the administrator if you don't know the president. If its easier for you, please forward me your notes for the meeting and I will pass it to the president, no problem with that.

All the open spaces aroung the "La Morra urbanization" (that's how they have called it this area), are owned by the Villanueva city hall or particular owners. The one existing besides Spa Vally I and facing the Archena Spa is owned by the city hall. They can't build houses or flats there, it's only for tertiary or social projects. Sport centre, a school, a health centre, etc... the important thing is that they can only build one story high. Given the actual situtation of crisis, I don't think the city hall is doin'g anything there by now. So, our only possibility is putting some pressure to the city hall so that they mantain this space clean, and maybe we could suggest them to build a garden or something like until they decide what are they doing to do with this plot. I don't know about the other open spaces, they might be owned by the city hall in which case it would be the same, or owned by particular. In that case they could build whatever they are alloud to do in the "plan parcial" or local urbanistic plan (penthouses, houses, or tertiary).

Regarding the pathway, maybe you are right and there is a piece of land far from the river owned by some particular. I wouldn't be much worried about this, they want to make a long pathway all along the river, going through several towns. In some point we will have access to this pathway for sure. They only thing is that, given the case it is the city hall doing this, they are very slow. It is important again to put some pressure on them so they can push this project further.

anthonyb, it is important to understand that the community will deal with community affairs, and not those private business that the residents may have. I mean, there is no difference between a resident (for example myself) and an investor (f.e. yourselve if that's the case). It's better to talk in terms of owners. If you are an owner you have exactly the same rights and duties just as me, no matter for what purpose you bought the appartment for. If you have some kind of agreement with the developer to rent your appartment that's something private between you two. Maybe if there is a big number of owners that want to rent their appartment, you could suggest something at the meeting in order to help you do that, for example an exhibit at the concierge giving information about the rentals or things like that. Maybe given the number of owners who are interested in renting their appartment, you could get the support from the community in order to get some extra cleaning in the streets, or signs, or any other thing you may think of. For example, our estatues are forbiding any owner to put "For sale" or "For rent" signs in the fachade: this clause was written by the developer due to the fact that they have a big amount of appartments to sell and rent, so they don't not have any competition around. But we all signed this estatutes when we signed our deed. Now, to change this clause we need both majorities in the voting, so we won't be able to vote for this as the deloper has one of the majorities (the share's majority). I have myself a "Se vende" sign in the terrace, so supoussedly I will loose my vote in the voting unless I remove it a few days before the meeting. I think that things like that are important.

I'm sure that you both misunderstood what the other was saying. You pay fees like any other owner, and have the same rights to enjoy or rent or sell your property as any other.

Best regards.

Fernando

Thanks for the response Fernando,

Maybe it would be an idea to inform any owners who are interested to get involved in this forum, would it be possible or realistic to do this?

I appreciate that the issues concerning rentals is not initailly of any concern to those who live there but it could be of interest in the future if there were any issues arising as a result of rentals.

Anthony b

Hi All

I like many of the UK owners bought as an investment - one that has now sat empty for nearly 2 years - I am travelling out to Spa Valley next week so I will take some pictures and upload them.  My flat is now fully furnished and available for rental - I am speaking to a local company registered with the UK Estate Agents federation as I like others dont have confidence in the 'group rental and share' scheme that Oasis sent me.

Has anyone successfully rented out their apartment?

On the language - I think a high proportion of the owners (not residents) are english and I do believe its not an unreasonable request to have a translator - suggest that multiple requests are made to Francesco.  Also I am concerned about the large number of 'non-payers' for the community charge - this will in turn drive up costs for those who have paid!

Will let you all know how the trip goes - Fernando - I am apartment 140 (corner ground floor) - I look fwd to meeting you!

Thanks

Hola All Spa Valley Owners/Residents,

I can agree fully with JustJay last post. I was there twice in July and August. . In July we reluctantly completed on a Penthouse in Fase II. as could not just walk away from the almost certainty of losing a substantial deposit. The contracted price now appears in excess of the market value if any market exists at all so we will just have to think long term and hope for a slow upturn in 6 to 10 years.

This was something we were all aware of when we bought off plan so dont expect much sympathy in this regard. However although not included in the private contract, it was implied to us that we would have a reasonable expectation of a rental return and of course a direct path linking us to the Balneario, neither of which seems to be forthcoming at least in the short to medium term.

Does anyone else recall being told somewhere that owners in Spa Valley II would also have membership of the "sports/social club" facilities ??  I understood this was included in the purchase price but now I find you have to pay €600 per year for membership of something that is not yet finished and this is part of the agreement to join the OASIS LUX Spa Resort Rental Scheme. ??

Other than the aforementioned , I can say that the development looks very nice and is finished off to an acceptable standard. Everything within the complex appears to be OK and we enjoyed the use of the pool and gymn facilities on our short visits during the summer.  There is an issue about the pile of rocks and builders rubble on the perimiter of the site particularly the corner facing the town and the mountain with the cross on top. but this land may be the responsibility of the town hall for future development.

Two observations on the pool/garden area of Fase II during August.  The crazy golf is a nice landscape feature and the sound of the water in the stream good idea but it was a source of mosquitos who seemed to be breeding in the stagnant parts of the water. I cannot see anyone going near this facility in summer until this issue is addressed.   

Also I was shocked to see people (Spanish I regret to say) smoking constantly IN the pool and two adults in particular who lay in the childrens pool smoking.  There were large bowls provided in the seating area and on the grass as ashtrays for smokers. These were filled with water resulting in a foul  "Gazpacho" mix.  They were not emptied and left right at the pools edge. If someone came out at night and accidentally knocked one of these "ashtrays" into the pool ,- Who was going to pay to have the pool cleaned out and possibly refilled. ?? To think that this was even tolerated at the childrens pool was shocking.  I reported this as best I could to the Porter who did remove the bowls back to the grass but next day they were back at the edge of the pool.  I will be contacting the Administrator about this issue anmd asking the President to put rules in place forbidding smoking in the pool.

I will be back in Spa Valley II on Tues 6th and Wed 7th October to install some light fittings and be glad to meet with any owners who happen to be available.   I will be in Attico Apt. 33 Bloque 2  Fase II and my Mobile is 00-353-87-677 2345

Does anyone know how best to access the riverside walk from Spa Valley or the Balneario towards the town. ??

As I will have very limted short time this visit, Is it worthwhile going thro all the hassle of IKEA to buy light fittings,bathroom mirrors etc ??   Would it be easier to go to Leroy Merlyn or the Electrical shop "Electrodomesticos Carlos Abenza " in Archena who done the electric connections. Has anyone any recomendations on this.

Hola Mattock, completely agree with you with those people smoking in the swimming pools, I'm sure you in spa valley II will have some "normas de convivencia", "community rules" so make sure the administrator address them on the next meeting.

Concerning the market, I don't think there is one now, so I suggest you have a long term view as you said. I've  been with the oasis mediterraneo people these past day in some kind of real estate meetings, and it's the market is just gone. It will take months to recover, may be 1 yr, they say next year we will be slowly recovering so I guess we will have just to relax and wait. In the meantime, try to enjoy your appartment the maximum you can, that's what we are doing.

As I have been aware, all the spa valley II owners would have access to become member of the social/sports club being built, and owners of spa valley I would have to pay some quantity (I don't exactly know how much it is, but I heard some figures time ago and they seemed waaaay expensive) to become members. And then, there would a monthly quota or something like that, you said 600€ annual which makes a monthly retainer of 50€. I think that is very expensive, for what you take (at the end of the day there are just a couple of tennis courts, and two paddle courts). And then, you have to pay for using the courts everytime you play. There are many sports clubs in Murcia that have meeeeeny more services than those for a monthly retainer of 30 or 40€. The only think is that they are kind of far away from Spa Valley. But still, you can use the courts without being a member, the only thing is that renting that hour is going to be more expensive for non members that for members. I remember seeing the prices, is like 9€ for a paddle court and hour for members, and 18€ an hour for non members. I rather be a non members even though I have to pay double everytime I use it, because I'm not going to play every day. That's how it works.

I'm living in spa valley I, apt 200, cell +34699441451, fernando.ballesta@gmail.com so anything you need just let me know. Maybe when can meet when you are here. And go to IKEA, that's the better place, my apt is an IKEA apt exept for the TV, the couch and the bed.

regards

fernando

Hola Fernando and Other Subscribers to this forum,

Many Thanks for your information and advice re IKEA. Although we originally bought off plan with intention of renting or reselling, I would not have considered the Spa Valley concept unless I felt in my heart that it would be a nice place to have and use for personal lifestyle and enjoyment if we had to hold on to it.  I see Spa Valley as being more ideal for short winter breaks. It is in a  warm and sheltered location with heated pool and gymn at a time when the usual holiday locations along the coast will be very windy. For us North Europeans it will be nice to have a mid winter break to the Balneario and winter sunshine with a choice of airports.

I do not see it as a major attraction to North Europeans in the Summer as most people will go to the beach locations. Those who are informed about the attraction of the Balneario may go for a day trip with perhaps a 1 night stay.

There may be a summer rental market for Spa Valley within Spain itself where you are lucky enough to have plenty of sunshine all year round and have Spanish people looking for an alternative or a stopover on the way to/from the coast.

The key to future success of the Spa Valley concept will be a direct pedestrian link to the Balneario from where people can continue on the existing paths towards the town.

Other than justified criticism of the Developers and Sales agents, I would be reluctant to egage in too much negative criticism on a public forum of the development as any negative comments will appear when potential purchasers and renters google Spa Valley. As you say , we must think of it now as our second home or a long term investment and emphasise the many positive aspects.   However we must stay in contact as individual owners to share our views and  ideas and to have the strength and co-ordination to get things done.  For this reason I will text you my E-Mail.  As I cannot include my E-Mail on this post, other Spa Valley owners are welcome to text me on 00-353-87-677 2345 and I will forward by return

Hasta Luego

I would like to send a LARGE THANK YOU to our neighour Fernando Ballesta .I purchased a mirror in ikea and discovered to my horror the nails I was using were not working and were making a large hole in the plaster work ,

I called to Fernando around 10pm looking for help he stopped what he was doing and brought me to his storage room were he loned me a drill raw plugs srews srewdriver and any thing else I needed The job was finished in 5 minutes .I have plenty on my walls now but if any of you are only starting fitting your apartment out i would highly recommend purchasing some tools as the plaster work in not the best surface to work with .

The site has not been all plain sailing for a lot of us who hoped we would be at home watching our investment grow but all is not lost when we have neighbours like Fernando.I met  other owners for first time while out there and they are  really nice people I believe the success of this site will be down to us all  pulling  together united we stand divided we fall.

All the best for now anthonyb

I am interested to know is there much activity at spa valley over the christmas

I was there from 18th to 22nd of Dec and it was very quiet. The weather was ok and we had a lovely break. I am new to tihs site and forums but would love to keep in contack with other english speaking owners. I am in Spa Valley 11 bloque 4 and go over regularly I am very surprised at the dates others were there as i was too and never saw anyone. I am thinking of leaving notes in the reception of 1 and 2 to let people know when i am there does anyone have a better suggestion I would love to hear it. I love Spa Valley and Archena.