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POLL: Will property prices in Spain fall any further?
Tuesday, November 19, 2013 @ 12:01 PM

During the height of Spain’s real estate boom Britons flocked to the country’s coast. They bought holiday and retirement homes, and fulfilled long-held dreams of a place in the sun.
This constant demand inspired builders and developers to keep putting up more houses. A decade-long frenzy saw Spain’s construction industry fuel the nation’s economic boom, before its spectacular collapse when the bubble burst in 2007-08.

Added to this was a spate of horror stories told of British owners left high and dry by unscrupulous developers, dodgy lawyers and corrupt town planners. Coupled with chaotic planning laws and little judicial recourse, many were left regretting their decision to buy in Spain. Other potential investors began to look elsewhere.

But now, with an estimated one million unsold new homes alone amid a weak domestic market, Spain’s authorities are keener than ever to promote it as the place to buy. A glance at any property website offering homes in Spain reveals the great bargains to be had.

Along the coast in the sought-after San Roque development, a stone’s throw from Gibraltar and Sotogrande on the Costa del Sol, a luxury apartment is offered for only €170,000 (£147,000) – a massive discount of 85 per cent from the €933,913 asking price at its peak in 2008

These reductions reflect the extent to which prices were overinflated at the peak of the boom six years ago, but also represent the measures to which banks are prepared to go to offload toxic property assets.
When the bottom fell out of the property market, many developers went bust, and banks were saddled with over-valued properties. Last year, Sareb, the “bad bank” established as a condition for the EU bailout of Spain’s troubled banks, acquired – at a discount – soured real estate worth €90 billion from troubled lenders.
This month it is preparing its first sales to test the waters. But it’s not only Sareb that is seeking to sell property at vast discounts. Banking groups have been forced to write down losses. This has led to a slash in prices, as they attempt to claw back funds.

Spain’s government, however, has not sweetened the deal. Instead, it has sought to boost national coffers by increasing VAT on new-builds from four to 10 per cent and putting an end to various tax breaks on property. Despite this, the fact that prices are so low means buying in Spain is still attractive to foreign clients.

Experts say that it is the nature of the market itself that has made Spain a much safer place to buy than ever before. Unlike during the boom times when there was a buying frenzy, there are now fewer cowboys operating in Spain. The malpractice and corruption that was rife just doesn’t exist now. People are also much better informed, so the chances of getting ripped off are much lower. A buyer today is in a much better position than those who bought in the boom.

The things that made owning a Spanish property so popular with Britons still exist – the climate, the lifestyle and the proximity to the UK. Spain is still a lovely place to live

Olive groves, sunshine, hot tapas, cold wine: Spain’s charms will outlast this economic crisis, and many to come. These prices, on the other hand, may not.

Now the Bank of Spain has declared that Spain is finally out of recession – even though the financial crisis continues. Estimated figures from the Bank of Spain say the country's GDP grew by 0.1 per cent over the summer months. Eventhough it remains at 1.2 per cent below figures for the same period in 2012.
And the growth announced – the first in two years – occurred over the months of July, August and September, when Spain's economy usually shows a dramatic change from the winter due to the influx of tourists. However it does appear that Spain's export business is growing and this is the main drive behind the growth.

Has Spain finally hit rock bottom, will property prices fall any further? or does this mean that now is finally the best time to buy a property in Spain?

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37 Comments


Sean Reilly said:
Saturday, November 23, 2013 @ 8:01 AM

Not a chance, too many unwanted properties. Like here in Ireland they will just keep falling and that's with Ireland never being as bad as Spain.

Bastante caro,
Sean


ob123 said:
Saturday, November 23, 2013 @ 8:16 AM

Property in Spain is already on the way up and prices are slowly rising,


andrewmarr said:
Saturday, November 23, 2013 @ 8:31 AM

Depends on the location and type of property. Some properties will continue to remain almost unsaleable while quality properties in good locations will see prices starting to rise as buyers return to the market.


harddunby said:
Saturday, November 23, 2013 @ 8:40 AM

The official word has been for the last two years that the property mountain is falling, but to find a million new builds up for grabs defies this line. Campasol known to many in Mucia has fully furnished at more than half there original price. The property there is just falling to pieces and will eventually become a ghost town, then bulldozed and forgotten about till the next property boom takes off.


rak1947 said:
Saturday, November 23, 2013 @ 8:46 AM

As long as Spanish Governement stil defends all the Spanish crook like they did years ago not one chance to help this country.

Let the governement make his own Mea Culpa.
Let them become honnest to all the properties buyers and punisch the corrupted banks


johnzx said:
Saturday, November 23, 2013 @ 9:01 AM

For about 5 years I have been guessing that prices will continue to fall. Some loud voices here have shouted that I am wrong, and one day I will be, but I do so see anything yet to change my guess. We are still 'going down'.


ob123 said:
Saturday, November 23, 2013 @ 9:29 AM

No way ....there were 3 apartments sold in our complex during this Year,and the all sold 8,000 euros more than last Year......


realtor inland said:
Saturday, November 23, 2013 @ 9:42 AM

The biggest bang for private vendors has yet to come.
Everyone that could sell is sold, the rest will have to go down under the bad banks prices of coming years.


JWhite said:
Saturday, November 23, 2013 @ 9:44 AM

I would like to believe that the Spanish town hall officials and builders have suddenly developed a conscience and no longer want to fleece people but corruption is in their blood and with more expats returning home due to the economic downturn there will continue to be thousands more properties coming up for sale without the building of new developments which Spanish property developers seem to think are not affected by things like the country being on its knees, so no I don't believe prices will go up but will continue to fall unfortunately as Spain is a lovely place to live. Give it another 5 yrs and maybe if Spain pulls out of the EU like the Brits hope to, they may be saved from complete destruction by Brussels, but the ongoing signs are not good and with 25% of Spanish people out of work, there isn't going to be any rush to buy property any time soon.

As for foreign buyers from Norway and Russia, well they will continue to look for bargain basement property buys to rent out but they aint looking to pay more than rock bottom prices. So millionaires might continue to buy quality properties but below the million pound property prices the rest will still struggle for some years yet I believe.


johnzx said:
Saturday, November 23, 2013 @ 9:45 AM

ob123
OK but 'one swallow does not a summer make'

National Statistics for sales throughout the whole of Spain are still falling. What happens in one small complex is not a National Trend.

I personally do not want prices to increase. If I die and prices are low, the death taxes will be lower. If high my inheritors will pay more tax but acquire the same asset.

If I were to sell to move up market and buy a property 50% more expensive than the one I sell, if prices are low the extra amount I will need to pay is lower, if prices rise I will have to pay more, again, to acquire the same up-market property.

I hope prices stay low 'for ever'



ob123 said:
Saturday, November 23, 2013 @ 9:57 AM

Not just in my complex which has 84 Apartments but around the area prices are on the up.....


johnzx said:
Saturday, November 23, 2013 @ 10:11 AM

sorry Ob123, a paltry 84 units is a but the tiniest drop in a very big ocean.


Andrea said:
Saturday, November 23, 2013 @ 10:18 AM

How can a PLUS VALIA be charged on a property that has dropped in value?!


ob123 said:
Saturday, November 23, 2013 @ 11:05 AM

12 Months ago there was nothing selling but now the Russians are here and they have the DOSH, 27 Cranes on the skyline this morning as I look out the window....


potblack said:
Saturday, November 23, 2013 @ 11:18 AM

October 2013
The year-on-year decline in house prices is slowing, at 8.5% in October compared to 9.2% the month before”
Metropolitan Areas recorded the greatest year-on-year fall of 11.3%, compared to 15.6% in September. The Balearic and Canary Islands are still the areas with the least variation, with a 2.4% decrease.

The year-on-year decline in the IMIE General index slowed in October to 8.5% compared to 9.2% the previous month. The variation left the index at 1395 points. The cumulative decline since the peak of the market in December 2007 remained virtually unchanged at 38.9%.


Index
October 2012


Index
October 2013


Year-on-Year Variation

General
1525 1395 -8,5%

Capitals & Large Cities
1522 1374 -9,7%

Metropolitan Areas


1485
1317 -11,3%

Mediterranean Coast
1559 1395 -10,5%

Balearic & Canary Islands
1390 1357 -2,4%

Other Municipalities
1579 1483 -6,1%

By segment, the Metropolitan Areas of the major cities recorded the sharpest decline with a year-on-year fall of 11.3%, followed by the municipalities of the Mediterranean Coast where prices fell by 10.5%, and Capitals and Major Cities with a 9.7% decrease.


davarn said:
Saturday, November 23, 2013 @ 12:23 PM

There's a great deal of mistrust in the property process. Having bought there before I'm aware of that and now well armed. Though I was fortunate enough to buy on a completed complex, much of what was offered along with the apartment never materialised.

I may buy again when the authorities stop taxing at 2007 property values. An "official" rip off? The whole system stinks!


David H said:
Saturday, November 23, 2013 @ 1:48 PM

There are still enough ex-Pats who want to trigger an escape by dropping the price of their property. They can be an older generation who want to go 'home', or younger workers who see the 'green shoots' of UK economic growth and want to get back amongst the action.
Add to that a new generation of 'savvy' bargain hunters and what do you get?


ob123 said:
Saturday, November 23, 2013 @ 2:07 PM

The price of properties now is the real price, that's all the were ever worth anyway. The Costa Blanca is really buzzing it is the best place to buy at the moment, real value all new modern buildings, they are snapped up long before they are built....


johnzx said:
Saturday, November 23, 2013 @ 2:14 PM

Ob123, are you in the Real Estate business on Costa Blanca, by any chance.


David B. said:
Saturday, November 23, 2013 @ 2:41 PM


As always it all depends on the property location. We were looking for over a year for a beach front house in Costa del Sol. The price of this style house and location started to go up mid this year and is still on the up now.


johnzx said:
Saturday, November 23, 2013 @ 3:06 PM

There are still plenty of 'sun faded' for sale signs, been in the estate agent's windows for so long, on the C D S. Of course a unique property still has appeal. if the rigt buyer can be found.

As for prices rising. When I got divorced in UK some years ago the family house had not sold in almost a year. I re-mortgaged to be able to give my wife the settle amount. I did not want to take the property off the market but did not want to buyers calling whilst the remortgaging deal was going through, so I increased the asking price by 10%. And surprise, surprise, I sold it in a week at the full higher price.




johnzx said:
Saturday, November 23, 2013 @ 3:11 PM

Opps!

As for prices rising. When I got divorced in UK some years ago the un-mortgaged family house had not sold in almost a year, so I re-mortgaged it so as to be able to give my wife the divorce settlement amount. I did not want to take the property off the market but did not want potential buyers calling whilst the remortgaging deal was going through, so I increased the asking price by 10%. And surprise, surprise, I sold it in a week at the full higher price.

That price did not reflect the market it was just a fluke sale. As I said "one swallow does not a summer make."




ob123 said:
Saturday, November 23, 2013 @ 3:16 PM

No I'm not in the Real Estate business, I have travelled all over Spain and there is no place like The Costa Blanca, where can you get a full English Breakfast for €1.99 and a Coffee for a Euro, and no problems with health as the salt lakes take care of all problems in the body......I am there for 12 Years.


David B said:
Saturday, November 23, 2013 @ 3:16 PM


We all have a view - on how we see things!!


johnzx said:
Saturday, November 23, 2013 @ 3:34 PM

I have been here for 25 years plus and no possiblity of leaving, but I would not go overboard recommending one part of Spain over another, even though the price of a breakfast and a coffee here, are the same as Costa Blanca. Mind you at present any way we are being 'threatened' by a Russian (maybe with mafia money) invasion. I find, where one thinks is the best, is very much horses for courses.


ob123 said:
Saturday, November 23, 2013 @ 3:54 PM

The main attraction really in the Costa Blanca are the salt lakes, no pain from all these problems a lot of people have in there knees, hips, e.t.c., because of the sulphur in the air, most properties here sell within a Week of going on the market that really says something...and the prices are well up on last Year..


johnzx said:
Saturday, November 23, 2013 @ 4:07 PM

"because of the sulphur in the air, most properties here sell within a week of going on the market"

So as I hinted, totally non representative of Spain generally.


ob123 said:
Saturday, November 23, 2013 @ 4:12 PM

Johnzx what I said about is true and that is the reason people are buying up properties so quickly........


johnzx said:
Saturday, November 23, 2013 @ 4:20 PM

I accepted that, but the question was:

POLL: Will property prices in Spain fall any further?

So that local experience, influenced by a purely local phenomenon, has no relevance to the Poll question


drew said:
Saturday, November 23, 2013 @ 4:47 PM

will defo fall further


ob123 said:
Saturday, November 23, 2013 @ 5:02 PM

Property IS after rising in Spain....please don't insult my intelligence.....


johnzx said:
Saturday, November 23, 2013 @ 5:23 PM

This is a web quote dated 13 Sept 2013.

"Housing prices in Spain are down 12 percent from a year ago after a 0.8 percent drop in the second quarter, according to the latest data from the Instituto Nacional de Estadística (National Statistics Institute)."

Not my figures, official Spanish ones, but you might be right Ob123 and the Government (who want to talk up the position) might be wrong.




kernaghan said:
Saturday, November 23, 2013 @ 9:33 PM

We looked at a bargain 12 months ago and it is still on the market, personally with the Russian mafia buying up would put me off buying in Spain now, the Alicante area has the largest population of them and it is already noticeable, regardless when you can rent a very nice apartment overlooking the Mediterranean for €300 per month why would you risk it.



Life inverter said:
Sunday, November 24, 2013 @ 12:11 AM

Like all countries Spain has good and bad places to buy and sell property. Whether some places are not selling is not the issue. Where you are or where you want to buy is what matters. An asset is worth what someone will pay. Property for sale in Spain or elsewhere if not priced properly will not sell. There are many places where supply is great so prices are lower or drifting down eg on developments where it's repossessed property. Where there is demand prices are stable. In some places the Spanish are buying for the long term. In Northern European ghetto areas eg the costa del sol it's foreign buyers only so skewed demand.

It's very easy to always look for the negatives in these things.


johnzx said:
Sunday, November 24, 2013 @ 6:27 AM

Life Inverter:- quote "In Northern European ghetto areas eg the Costa Del Sol it's foreign buyers only so skewed demand."

This is a Quote from a CDS Real Estate company:- "Spanish property sales fall by 15,4 % in August 2013.

During the first eight months of the year, Spanish property sales recorded a rise of 1.2% over the same period of 2012, while in July, this economic indicator shows sales shrank by 8.4%. The data and statistics released by the Spanish Property Registers offices really reflects the sales that closed two months previous. In the eighth month of the year, the market was held back by falling sales of newly built housing, which fell 24.8%, 10,498 units, while the sale of second-hand properties fell 5.9 % over the same month last year, to 13,054 sales.


Colm said:
Sunday, November 24, 2013 @ 5:07 PM

It will take Spain 20 years to begin to recover, because, when the Arabic Mediterranean counties return to peace the will go full power to attract foreign tourists and investors from an honest and a low price base. However Spain will still have it's its debt legacy and it's ubiquitous corruption


potblack said:
Sunday, November 24, 2013 @ 6:14 PM

It is probably true that the Spaniards have ripped off the gullible British for many years, with corrupt builders, banks, lawyers, estate agents and politicians. Now they will have the price to pay for that. It’s of their own making and greed. Maybe a lesson to be learnt, don’t bite the hand that feeds you. Unfortunately greed is part of human nature. The only true buyers of property in Spain at the moment are the scavengers and parasites. It’s going to take a generation for people to forget about corrupt Mayors, illegal builds and bulldozers. There is no consumer protection that is enforceable for foreigners and the Spanish still think you arrive at the airport with a sign on your head that says ‘’get my pants down’’.


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