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Thoughts of Eggcup

I find myself wondering about things sometimes and want to see if others feel the same.

Why are some of you just plain nasty?
Wednesday, October 23, 2013 @ 9:11 PM

The personal attacks people have made on me during the time I have been posting on this site are bewildering and too numerous to recite, but I've had people imagine they know who I am and embellish the details using their vivid imaginations. I've been a 'little old woman,' 'a middle-aged lady' and a man;  I've been told I'm a business failure, I've been castigated for encouraging people to speed and blamed for being a terrible mother, encouraging my son to worm out of traffic fines (my son isn’t old enough to drive). I've been told I'm 'desperate to sell my properties,' and that they're of 'poor quality'... People don't even read what I've written, before jumping in to accuse me of all sorts. This kind of cyber-bullying would be pathetic if it wasn't also dangerous.

And it's made me wonder about what's behind all this nastiness. One thing I've observed is that the cyber bully has to always be right and always have the last word. Often, that last word will be in the form of a personal attack; the equivalent of shouting into someone's face/or going on and on about the issue, until everyone else has walked away. In my experience it is usually, though not exclusively, a male phenomenon and as the bully is usually, again not always, intellectually-challenged, he will add a sexist element; hence the 'accusation' of me being old and a woman - the worst thing a person can be in his small-minded, sexist and ageist world-view.

I have also noticed that the cyber bully can never give up or he will lose face. The victim of his vitriol then has a choice; to lower her or himself to his level or to rise above it. The problem is that if we do not answer every stupid point, bully boy thinks he's won. The only way in which he has really won is by showing himself to be a fool and by driving people away. Sometimes he gets banned from the site if he actually calls a person a name, but quite often he is able to remain by using a more veiled language - for example: 'you don't seem cut out for x,y,z’ [I'm telling you you have a serious failing, which I don't have], or 'you're a very bitter woman' and, today, I had ‘you odd little woman.’

I believe these abusive people may be suffering from a superiority complex; I get told by other landlords, for example, that I am a rubbish one, but they're brilliant at it, and have never had a day's bother. Why this need to portray oneself as infallible?  If the person is male, does he have short man syndrome? Was he bullied at school for something in his appearance or personality? Sometimes, women too show this belief in their superiority; I've got no idea why they do it. Whatever the sex, their anonymity protects them from a reliable psychological analysis.

On the Eye on Spain Forum, a common pattern is that someone (often a new person to the site) asks an innocent question, asking for help and receives a couple of useful suggestions. Then others start to comment and pretty soon the thread 'turns.' It is quite easy to identify the moments when this happens - it's when someone writes something with an edge to it or launches an outright attack on the original poster's character; then other cowards jump in to agree with the bully. The original poster often doesn't know what's hit them. It's a chance for this group of insecure people to attack someone else in order to feel better about themselves.

Unfortunately, this behaviour is not harmless and the pen can be mightier than the sword. I recently read about a University Facebook page being used to 'rate' people students have slept with. When I read the example of what one girl had written about a boy, saying that he thought he was good in bed, but he didn't know what he was doing, I thought, 'What if that was my son when he's older?' He  could kill himself over something like that. There have also been many cases of children as young as 12 committing suicide unable to cope with the shame of what others have said about them. Children and young people are particularly vulnerable. So, when adults in their 40s, 50s, 60s and 70s, behave in a thoroughly distasteful manner on the internet, what hope is there for our young? The irony is that these adults are very often the ones to berate the younger generation for their 'failings.'

Luckily, I'm old enough and wise enough to be able to process this nonsense and not let it affect me for more than an hour or so, if at all. For others it will have a greater impact. People whom you don't know, whom you'll never meet and who are anonymous can lay into you. And they think they have the right.  If no-one challenges them, they carry on, just as the eternal bully does. Little dictators, tapping away in their living rooms or studies, relishing their power to insult and lord it over others.

I have thought for some time about writing on this theme and would like the decent people on the site to make a stand and join together in condemning these personal attacks when they happen. If one person is having a nasty go at someone, then we should report it. The bullies often gang up like a pack of wolves coming in for the kill; so it would be good if the decent members can work together too to eradicate this menace. I suggest that the rule of thumb should be that no-one should address other posters in any way that would not be acceptable in a face-to-face encounter. Some people are like pieces of wood, however, and incapable of empathy, so maybe they talk to people like this in the flesh... That may be so, but it should not be tolerated on a public forum.

Whatever the future holds, it is depressing to witness and/or be on the receiving end and others have retreated from the Forum because of the behaviour of the unruly, 'I'm always right,'' I'll insult you personally if I can't beat you in an argument' brigade. I recently withdrew from the site for a while because of this and have observed others do so. Maybe they could come back (you know who you are) and refuse to be cowed into submission by the ugly element on the internet.  If decent people regularly leave the site in this way, the wolves will be left to take control...

 



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Fartharder said:
Wednesday, October 23, 2013 @ 8:32 PM

A couple of weeks ago I was involved in a discussion thread when a particular user directed a comment at me. There's nothing wrong with that, in fact we do it all the time. A few comments went back and forth between us and then the discussion moved on down it's own route. Later that day I noticed I had a private message. It was off the same user, who had decided that I needed to be proved wrong. She had gone to some trouble to find information in order to do this and let me know about it. I replied only to let her know that I could hardly believe she had resorted to continuing this in private. I got more messages back. I said this was bordering on harassment and I still couldn't escape. Even when I said 'leave me alone' I got another message thrown back at me (which I didin't even bother reading). How desperate was this person to prove herself right and get the last word in?
This got me thinking. How seriously should we be taking these dicussions, and at what point should we just leave the room and let the discussion take it's course? It is just a forum after all, and we are debating issues and subjects with people we don't even know.
By the way eggcup, I have noticed that the user who gave me this hassle is the same user who also gives you a lot of grief on here. Some people, although helpful with certain comments, can get very nasty, stubborn and even pathetic when wanting to win a debate.


margaret said:
Wednesday, October 23, 2013 @ 10:11 PM

the reason that you are being bullied is because you speak the reality of spain look forward to your next blog



danb said:
Wednesday, October 23, 2013 @ 11:30 PM

Eggcup - I've read a few threads of the type you describe and noticed that there are a few people on here who are the principal culprits. They seem determined to start what they believe is an intellectual battle (probably due to their own insecurities) but what they seem oblivious to is how quickly it descends into a pathetic childlike argument for all to see.
When I read some of these threads they always create an image in my mind of a bunch of retirees that have lost their way in life and now find that they have little better to do.
Try not to let them get to you, have a little laugh at them like I do, and try not to sink to their level.
Enjoy life :)



eggcup said:
Thursday, October 24, 2013 @ 10:29 AM

Yes, Fartharder, I'm pretty sure I know who you mean. She was stalking me as well. As for private messages, anything they've got to say to me they can say in public and I've got zero interest in receiving these messages.
I also think you've hit the nail on the head Margaret, regarding some people not approving of my refusal to see living in Spain as a dream come true and filter out all the rubbish bits, as some do. They seem heavily invested in the need to prove that they made a brilliant decision to go and live there and God forbid anyone who says anything that might be construed as anti-Spanish.
Danb: you're right too about the way they see themselves as somehow experts (usually on really boring subjects) and they have to argue every tiny little point, but because they have poor social skills they wind people up at the same time, by getting in little personal digs and insults. Then the whole thing deteriorates. In terms of not sinking to their level, I have a different way of looking at it - if I feel like arguing back I do, and if I feel like walking away I do that sometimes. When it's your own blog, you can delete comments, so I've done a bit of that in the last few days. I bet that really annoys them. But in terms of laughing at them, the problem is that they're not funny and I find them quite destructive.
Thanks for all the comments.


cheryll said:
Thursday, October 24, 2013 @ 11:43 AM

This has happened to me too. Someone asked a question, and as I was dealing with the same issue at the time, I gave what I thought was a helpful, informative reply. Next thing, someone else replied, and kind of rubbished my answer. Then the original questioner joined in, agreeing with the rubbisher. (Why did she ask the question in the first place?). Anyway, I didn´t bother jumping back in, and even told myself I was being too sensitive over the matter, but ever since,it has really put me off commenting/answering questions.


eggcup said:
Thursday, October 24, 2013 @ 3:20 PM

You've got it Cheryll. There's a common pattern to it. When someone tried to turn a very constructive thread recently, I explicitly pointed out what she was trying to do, as it happened and told her to stay out of my face. And then asked that we continue the thread as it could be very useful to others - and was useful and supportive to me, with a problem I faced with the outrageous approach of a Spanish car hire company. 'Go away' we should say, just as we would if an interfering, abusive person joined our table in a café.


tamaraessex said:
Thursday, October 24, 2013 @ 5:25 PM

Yes the EoS forums deteriorated very rapidly into somewhere that it is not really tempting to contribute. Shame, as many of us have relevant experience to share. I was heavily flamed by one idiot for only having 8 or 10 posts to my name (way back). Well how is anyone meant to start??? And one person always patronises me and my comments by saying "I'm sure Tamara is a nice person but she hasn't been here long enough to know x, y or z". I've stopped trying to help people on there and just try through the blog. Still get criticised though! Hang in there Eggie :-)


eggcup said:
Thursday, October 24, 2013 @ 8:15 PM

Hi Tamara. How bizarre for someone to think that the number of times you've posted confers status on you. You could have made 5,000 crap contributions or you could be the Dalai Lama and it might be your first contribution. And I also know who you're referring to about the patronising comments - I get more out-and-out hostility off him. I think I might prefer that though to being patronised!
Having said all that, I have definitely noted an improvement on the Forum - some of the really objectionable characters have either left willingly or been banned. Some remain who, because they have a bit of knowledge and have been on the site for a long time, seem immune to being ejected. But I do think the EoS team have made a big effort to improve the site and should be congratulated for their efforts. It must be a thankless task sometimes trying to control all these loose cannons (myself included!). All the best, Tamara. Eggie.


Brenda Willis said:
Saturday, October 26, 2013 @ 10:59 AM

Hi Eggcup. Please dont take this the wrong way as I often enjoy your posts here. However you must realise that you will be seen by many to have a very brusque manner at times and are often extremely judgmental too. I just think that if you are going to raise your head above the parapets then you need to develop a thick skin. You do seem very sensitive to comments that arent anything but totally positive. You are obvioulsy a deep thinker and probably also create scenarios in your mind regarding peoples' negative thoughts towards you - that arent even true! Hopefully this post wont start a rant by you - as it is meant to be constructive and supportive.


eggcup said:
Saturday, October 26, 2013 @ 11:34 AM

I agree I'm judgmental - but I don't believe I'm an exception. It is a human trait to be constantly making judgments about others. The only unusual bit about me is that I'm honest about it and I like to talk about the 'petty' feelings that we all have. One of my aims is to break down facades. As for you saying I have a brusque manner, that's you being judgmental - but the difference is that you are saying it directly to me and in a way that could cause offence. My writing is in the third person about people who will mostly never read what I write and if they did, wouldn't recognise themselves in it. 'Brusque' is also a pejorative word, so you are sailing close to the wind there. Presumably now you've 'raised your head above the parapet' , you won't mind me saying that your manner of getting your message across to me is also brusque, judgmental and has caused me mild offence. I can't say it had any constructive or supportive impact on me; unlike many other comments I receive. Indeed, you also imply I'm delusional... Yeah, that's really constructive.


Fartharder said:
Saturday, October 26, 2013 @ 2:24 PM

There is a phrase which I strongly believe in. Offence is taken, not given. If you take offence at something someone says, it doesn't mean you are in the right, and it doesn't mean that offence was given or caused. It seems to me that the whole world is becomming too easily offended, sometimes even on behalf of others.


Brenda Willis said:
Sunday, October 27, 2013 @ 2:28 PM

Oh, the irony. You are a lost cause dear.


eggcup said:
Sunday, October 27, 2013 @ 2:35 PM

And you're patronising, 'dear.' We've had a good laugh in my household about you insulting me in various ways and calling it 'constructive' and 'supportive.' With friends like you, one has no need of enemies. Bye.


Keyser Soze said:
Monday, October 28, 2013 @ 10:42 AM

Ok MALES

Pay attention

Apart from the odd occassion,after circa 2008,I rather lost interest in the blogs.Prior to that there were endless verbal insulting but entertaining bun fights.Recently it's all been Please Home The Ugliest Dogs In Europe,Do It Youself Poems and How To Make Baked Beans In 3 Hours And Use Up A Complete Gas Bottle.All rather tedious.Frankly I found the absurd Propertries For Sale prices more entertaining and amusing.

But JOY! REJOICE!JOY! Check out the bundle between Mrs Eggcup and one Brenda Willis on the October 23rd "Why are some of you just plain nasty" blog.Finally some real what the late wrestler Mick McManus called "ketchup on the canvas".

Guys,this one could run and run,and few things as we know from watching Nicola Adams pulverise opponents at the Olympics,is as entertaining as girlies going at it.Forget Queensburry rules!

Sadly I hope to be off in my motorhome soon so I shall probably miss further developments,but carry on gals and if I do get away,have a lovely Christmas.




eggcup said:
Tuesday, October 29, 2013 @ 10:29 AM

Hey, Keyser, if you like a good scrap, check out my most controversial post ever. I had to change the name 'fat girl' to 'one of our worst tenants ever,' as it caused offence (probably to the fatties):

http://www.eyeonspain.com/blogs/landlordblues/10355/Evicting-fat-girl.aspx




Brenda Willis said:
Tuesday, October 29, 2013 @ 12:15 PM

My comments were indeed constructive and supportive. However you are beyond any support and help. Having just read your UK landlord blog I can see how unbusinesslike you are too.
It must be wonderful being you :)


eggcup said:
Tuesday, October 29, 2013 @ 1:09 PM

Go away.


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