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02 May 2009 12:00 AM by tonypullicino Star rating. 73 forum posts Send private message

Hi

Yes me again.

Have just been to see Jardines to try and get some info and yes I am still confused.

After speaking to a few owners of the 30% club I managed to find out who the developers Mortgage is with and proceeded to the bank ( CAJAMAR in Moraira ) and to my suprise they could not understand as to why people are not completing.  As they are concerned Rushcliffe still own Jardines and are on the Title deeds as the legal owners in Benissa Town hall and there is no reason why people cant complete. Especially as it is all finished.

Nobody has obviously told Rushcliffe this who have seemed to disapear into thin air along with everybodys money.

Somebody must know what is going on with Rushcliffe?........why are they saying they are in the hands of Bank when there clearly not.

Has anybody tracked down the owners Ray ingleby and alike?

Come on folks lets crack this case of more corruption in Spain.




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02 May 2009 8:13 PM by ragingbull Star rating. 4 forum posts Send private message

Toni,

 

Not sure what your problem is with completing. We completed with others in September last year.




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03 May 2009 11:42 AM by tonypullicino Star rating. 73 forum posts Send private message

Hi ragingbull

The basic problem is that the development needs completions and we was told by Daren we could, but would not until we had seen the site first, after viewing we then went to put the wheels in motion then as detailed below Rushcliffe are saying they are in hands of banks which is a blatant untruth.

There is no electricity still the pools are filfthy and one man trying hard to keep it going.

I take my hat off to Michelle who is obviously trying hard to keep things afloat but as stated before why are Rushcliffe not being honest.

The whole development would benefit from some truths from Rushcliffe and it could become a lovely place to stay unlike now.

The way Rushcliffe are performing it will and could stay as it is for Years with just a few people living there and paying all the costs of Rushcliffe bad management.

Tony




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04 May 2009 9:00 PM by Chump Star rating. 3 forum posts Send private message

 HI everyone,

I am yet another member of the 30% club there at Jardines.

By what I am reading here it seems there is a complete lack of information as to the whole issue. 

I had been trying to get some sense out of my agents and solicitors for months and finally decided to go to Spain and find out for myself what is going on rather than go by rumours.

After personally speaking to the Town Hall of Benissa, local solicitors, architects and other professionals, I now know what the facts are:

I was shown various properties on the Costa Blanca by an English Agent. The project at Jardines de Montemar was blown out to be the absolute Jewel in the Crown. It was presented as a sure fire investment promising a return of 100% on the invested sum. And to reassure me everyone involved in the sale pointed out that the developer was a rock solid British company: Rushcliffe International. Their website claimed the company to have assets in Spain worth over 300 Miliion Pounds.

I was then taken to an impressive solicitors office where I signed powers of attorney for them to represent my interests in the purchase of the property. 

Baloney. 

It seems the whole project Jardines de Montemar was a con from the start. We have been led to buy something that was flawed from the beginning. 

The company Jardines de Montemar s.l. was created with practically nothing to its name. The company did not even have the money to purchase the site. The building has been financed entirely by the banks. The builder is a prominent Spanish building company that would only build if payments were guaranteed by  the bank. Therefore the complete project was mortgaged to guarantee payment to the bank. As there have only been around 30 sales and the developer has been bankrupt from the beginning, as soon as money from sales stopped coming in, the developer defaulted on payments to the bank and the bank is now calling in that debt. The procedure is simple: the complex is auctioned off and the proceeds go to the bank to cover the debt. There is never any money left over as interest rates on overdrafts are astronomical, plus court proceedings costs, solicitors, etc. Those who have actually completed and signed the deeds to their property should make sure that it has been duly registered on their name at the Land Registry and that the mortgage debt with the bank has been cancelled, unless they have taken it over themselves.

However, there is a lot more. There are now other creditors claiming payment for the work they have carried out at the complex. As far as I know, the kitchens, jakuzzis, gardens, etc. have been installed by other companies that have not received their money. They have now got together and have filed a suit against Jardines. 

The project itself is not what it was made out to be. The site at Jardines has always been zoned as commercial, not residential. In other words you cannot just build residential apartments and sell them as such. The project Jardines de Montemar  received planning permission as "Apartamentos Turisticos", which is a form of Apartment -Hotel. The developers seem to have tried to pull the wool over the eyes of the local authorities time and again until at one time the Town Hall of Benissa actually issued a demolition order for the complex! I was obviously never told any of this, although it received extensive coverage in the Spanish local press. 

The complex is illegal and it seems that is one of the reasons why there is no electricity contract as there is no residential license and yet no commercial hotel activity. The electric power is the builder's connection and it is about to be turned off.

There is even more: it seems the agents selling for Rushcliffe were being paid commissions of 15%. Not only that, the solicitors presented to me were in fact working for Rushcliffe's. The contracts that were signed in my name should never have been approved by my solicitor.

Spanish Law makes it obligatory for the developer to grant the purchaser a bank guarantee on all payments. I was never given such a bank guarantee. Instead I received a dubious insurance policy with small writing that effectively renders it useless as the period of validity has run out. This was approved by my solicitor.

I feel I have been conned not only by Rushcliffe, but also by my agent and by my solicitor in whom I had placed my trust. 

I am now at a loss as I have 100.000 Euros blocked at Jardines de Montemar. My present solicitor is being very honest and has informed me I can cancel the contract with Rushcliffe and claim my money back due to breach of contract, but it will be to no avail as the company is bankrupt. Whatever money there was, the managers have taken it and run. Soon the property will be auctioned off and then I shall have noone to claim from.

On the other hand, I do not wish to close the sale and hand over another 200.000 Euros for a site that is illegal and will probably become another derelict abandoned complex.

The future does not seem rosy for Jardines de Montemar.

Chump




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05 May 2009 9:27 AM by tonypullicino Star rating. 73 forum posts Send private message

OH BOY!

What a happy start to the new week.

If it was a con from the start! why even bother finishing everything the complex is finished and people have completed with the right deeds I would hope.

When I spoke to bank last week they new nothing of this news ( they claim ) and could see no reason for people not to complete.  and were waiting for more completions.  And were no way calling in Loans.

As far as the community is concerned after speaking to the administrators they just have to get forms signed then bond can be paid to builders to transfer electricity to there control.

I have a feeling this one has further to run.

Tony




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05 May 2009 12:45 PM by Chump Star rating. 3 forum posts Send private message

 Hi Tony,

The bank is very happy to receive funds when someone completes. When you sign the deeds at the Notary Public's the bank is there to take the money, it does not go to Rushcliffe because otherwise the bank does not cancel the debt on the apartment. They have been waiting so long hoping more chumps would close and they would recover more money, before repossessing the rest. When my solicitor talked to the bank, he was given the same sweet talk: everything is cool, no problem, but you do not have to be a financial expert to know that when a bank does not get paid, it calls its mortgage credit in and starts proceedings. What do you think they are going to do otherwise? The bank does not want to scare more people off closing, but now they have had enough.

I hold it was a con because the developer, the agent and my solicitor were all in cahoots and I was never told that I was not buying an ordinary apartment, but rather a part of a commercial project.  When I spoke to the Town Hall they clearly explained that they had granted planning permission for a commercial project,  "apartamentos turisticos" they call them, not residential property.  

Chump




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06 May 2009 11:23 AM by tonypullicino Star rating. 73 forum posts Send private message

Hi Chump

There is a test case anyday now, were owners are trying for refunds on non-fulfilment of contract.

Do you want me to let you know how it goes?

Ta Tony

Also have you thought about the offer from parques casablanca?




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06 May 2009 12:38 PM by Chump Star rating. 3 forum posts Send private message

 Hi Tony,

 

What offer is that?




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02 Jul 2009 4:56 AM by funluvin99 Star rating in Scotland / Moraira. 96 forum posts Send private message

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I know there is now much written here around the community that is Jardines de Montemar and its current status

 

I really do not want to be drawn into discussing what advice individual purchasers were given by either developers, estate agents, lawyers or anyone else or indeed drawn into personal views on the legality of the complex that people hold – this is all individual opinions and much debate could be had and its not my purpose for posting.
 
However I would like to update those interested in the current position of the community from the community viewpoint.
 
The owners started completing from around September last year. We took over actively running the community from January this year when a previous arrangement for site maintenance between the developer and their selected maintenance company broke down.
 
Since then we have mainly dealt with an issue regarding electricity to the site that has now been rectified. We also have in place garden & site maintenance and have recently instructed outdoor pool maintenance for both outdoor pools now the electricity issue has been resolved. All legal requirements regarding insurance etc are also in place.
 
I think its important that anyone reading this forum understands that the community have the plans and budget in place to ensure the site is well maintained and at an affordable cost to the current number of owners. We intend to ensure that the site flourishes so that we can all enjoy our apartments as we had all planned to, as well as ensuring that the rental requirements are met
 
If others choose to complete in the future then we will happily, and warmly, welcome them into our community but the success and maintenance of the community is not dependant on people completing.
 
My reason for posting is that I just wanted to counter the previous comment and view that our community would “:probably become another derelict abandoned complex.” And that “The future does not seem rosy for Jardines de Montemar.” I understand the frustration out there and in no way wish to play down the difficult choices and challenges that people are facing regarding their investments but wanted the current position regarding the community to be added for information.
 
We have been informed recently that Rushcliffe are now in a position for others to complete due to changes in their situation, but I do not know more than that.
 
If anyone has any queries regarding the community feel free to get in touch with me at any time and I will try to assist if I can.
 
Kind Regards
 
Funluvin


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22 Jul 2009 5:02 PM by breki Star rating. 7 forum posts Send private message

 Hi everyone! Are there any news of the cancellation of contracts on the Jardines? Have any cases of a breach come through? We are waiting for news so that we can decide what to do. We feel very uncomfortable about the whole matter.

Best regards, Breki




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28 Jul 2009 9:40 PM by ragingbull Star rating. 4 forum posts Send private message

Not sure why you still feel unconfortable. Everything is now in place and we are all enjoying our apartments. Just need more to complete to make it a community. Have you paid a visit recenyly? If not you should!!!




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15 Sep 2009 8:01 PM by Glanblakethomas Star rating in East Grinstead UK. 6 forum posts Send private message

I am still interested to complete on two apartments at the complex. Can anyone advise the latest situation as of September 2009. Darren was due to come back to me but I havent heard from him for a while.

Is the place acceptable to potential lettings

Are the pools operating

what is the agreed community charge per annum

how can change over days,linen etc be managed

what price are these apartments valued at now Top Right 2 bed 2 bath 2nd floor with solarium and terrace outlook to the sea


 

regards to all

Glan Blake Thomas

 


 



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22 Sep 2009 9:18 PM by hsmichael Star rating. 1 forum posts Send private message

Hi

We own at Jardines and spent three great weeks there over the summer. The electricity contract is sorted, the pools (apart from the indoor one) are up and running and the site is looking great thanks to our gardener and his team.

The community are looking at imposing some rules at the moment to maintain standards at the site but at the moment there is no management company in place for those wishing to let their properties.

The community charge is approx 450 euros a quarter at the moment.

Hope this answers some of your queries.

Helen




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17 Oct 2009 11:03 AM by billg Star rating. 1 forum posts Send private message

Hi,

Following on from Glan's post, I'm also interested in completing at Jardines, does anyone know how many units have actually been completed/transfered to owners? Is the complex like a ghost town or is a community beginning to develop?

Regards,

Bill




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19 Nov 2009 6:34 PM by tonypullicino Star rating. 73 forum posts Send private message

Has anybody seen Rushcliffe?????????

Are they still trading??

Have they gone insolvent??

Some body must have some information???

Many thanks

Tony




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08 Jan 2010 1:52 PM by funluvin99 Star rating in Scotland / Moraira. 96 forum posts Send private message

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Tony

There is no new official news that I have, so to put a disclaimer on what follows, its just my personal opinion.

Rushcliffe haven't filed for bankruptcy therefore in theory could trade - except they have no staff working for them in Spain anymore for anyone to proceed with a completion.  I have been told by an ex member of staff that if someone really wanted to complete it might be possible, though no-one has moved forward on this yet, you can PM me if genuinely interested, if you are looking for a contact to sue Rushcliffe or anything like that then I can't help you any more than your lawyers can - as officially there are no staff!

The bank doesn't seem to want to reposess them as they then become owners of the site and liable for all that entails - as i understand it  as the site is finished then by Law in Spain they only need to make 10% of the loan as a provision for potential bad debts therefore they have no motivation to try to get the assets to turn them into cash as they know there are no buyers just now and it wouldn't look good on their books.

I think anyone not completed would have to tough it out and see what happens when the market picks up, those of us who have completed will need to continue to keep the site operational with reduced income - as we have been doing since January 2009.

As I said, just my views

Regards

Funluvin

 



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26 Jan 2010 8:33 PM by JARDmontemar Star rating. 1 forum posts Send private message

Rushcliffe hasn't closed, but it doesn't have a staff in Spain either. I was working for Rushcliffe. If some buyer needs help, you can write to me that I will try to help you in what could. I will try to put it in touch with the persons in charge of Rushcliffe.

My advice for the buyers who have not notarized your apartment, is that they try to notarize it, since they have the risk that the bank and the building firm claims your apartments in exchange for the money that Rushcliffe owes them.
Those that already they have notarized can be calm that the urbanization is totally legal.

Regards,




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