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25 Feb 2007 12:00 AM by coupe Star rating. 7 forum posts Send private message

 

As at 23rd Feb 2007 we have been told that the Building Licence has still NOt been issued but will once again be issued within the next 6 weeks at which times the properties will then be allowed to be resold - Allegedly ...

When you speak with Palmera you will get 2 or 3 conflicting stories but Mirador tell us that Building Licence will be through by end of of March 2007 BUT they do not plan to start the development until Summer 2007 at the earliest.

We  visited the site again last week and Aifos continue with the infrastructure and their 1st phase buildings on their site but we have been told that they also do not have a Building Licence. They have now been told to stop building - How true this is, is anyones guess.....

We have a case of the blind leading the blind and nobody wanting to take responsinbility and get to the bottom of this.

Palmera blame Mirador and visa versa but this does not solve the situtaion

We purcahsed one of these properties like many other investors some 3 years ago and are also very frustrated with the lack of communication & truth about the situation.

We do feel however that all trying to fight with Mirador and Palmera will not get us the result that we all want.

Personally we feel that it best if we all jointly email ** EDITED NAME ** once a week and EVERY week and if necessary also phone and ask to speak to him personally.

** EDITED NAME** in fairness is doing his best and his hands are tied to a degree but if we ALL continually keep emailing it will give him the ammunition that he needs to confront the management at Palmera & Mirador to get the answers we all desperatly need.

We have been told by Palmera that to resell the properties that they will charge a Fee of E8:000 which we feel is a tad strong in light of the service we have all been given over the past 3 years so hear is the $64 question:-

Do we sell ASAP when allowed ????????

Or ride the storm and wait another 3 years and hopefully double our money ????????

I await your comments...

 

 

 

 

 

 



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21 Mar 2007 10:15 AM by djo Star rating. 14 forum posts Send private message

I asked for my deposit back in November and was informed by Palmera that it will take 8 months,However Palmera sat on my letter for 4 months before doing anything!If any group action is required I will join in.


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25 Mar 2007 11:00 PM by ste2081 Star rating in liverpool. 1 forum posts Send private message

same problem as everyone else, 4 years waiting for work to start. i'm iall for pushing Palmera for some answers. What else can we do?


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02 Apr 2007 4:25 PM by Coates Star rating. 1 forum posts Send private message

I suppose there is some comfort in knowing that there are so many people in the same predicament. We paid deposits for two of the 4 bed villas, three and a half years ago and we are experiencing a nil response from Palmera much the same as everybody else. What are peoples' views on employing an independent lawyer to represent us all?



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04 Apr 2007 11:55 PM by coupe Star rating. 7 forum posts Send private message

Dear Coates

Involving Solicitors at this stage i feel may be a tad premature.

What i feel we must remember is that Spanish properties especially on the Costas are on their arse with more properties for sale than there are buyers.

You only have to drive up the Coast Road and or the Motorway at night to see all the new developments empty with no lights on and those that do have lights will unquetionably have a For Sale sign in the Garden.

Valle Rosario does have a number of added advantages over the Costas that being with the new fast train link along with a proposed Airport at Antequera and the nearest Golf Club at Antequera this means at least the Rosario properties will be more desirable to a wider market..

BUT... Yes i know we have got to get them built first...

I look upon it that it we have lost nothing til we sell it and when we do like all other investors we will make a profit ...

On a positive note the longer it takes the better the profit - hopefully...

It is i will agree very frustrating with the lack of information that we have all received over the past 3 years but i feel that there is a light at the end of this long Bulls**t  Tunnel but if we get to August with no Building Licence then i feel we need to consider seeking alternative legal advice as a group...

Whatever happens the Builders have stated that they will not start the build until Summer 2007 irrespective but we need to see a Building Licence before then so at least we have the option to then re-sell or keep our properties

We are off out again 5th April for 10 days and will do a site visit and also speak with Palmera & the Builders and see what the latest is...

I have however spoken to ** EDITED NAME ** at Palmera again this week and he informs me we are still at stale mate awaiting the Building Licence which we were told on our last visit would be 6 weeks - This ironically was 6 weeks ago weeks...

So i am going to make some noises at Palmera after the Easter weekend and see what excuses can be provided when i speak to them face to face and get Palmera to phone the builders whilst i am in their offices and hear their bulls**t replies and will report back...

Finally....  If Palmera or Mirador read this Post - Then please have the kettle on........... 

 

 



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04 Apr 2007 11:55 PM by coupe Star rating. 7 forum posts Send private message

Dear Coates

Involving Solicitors at this stage i feel may be a tad premature.

What i feel we must remember is that Spanish properties especially on the Costas are on their arse with more properties for sale than there are buyers.

You only have to drive up the Coast Road and or the Motorway at night to see all the new developments empty with no lights on and those that do have lights will unquetionably have a For Sale sign in the Garden.

Valle Rosario does have a number of added advantages over the Costas that being with the new fast train link along with a proposed Airport at Antequera and the nearest Golf Club at Antequera this means at least the Rosario properties will be more desirable to a wider market..

BUT... Yes i know we have got to get them built first...

I look upon it that it we have lost nothing til we sell it and when we do like all other investors we will make a profit ...

On a positive note the longer it takes the better the profit - hopefully...

It is i will agree very frustrating with the lack of information that we have all received over the past 3 years but i feel that there is a light at the end of this long Bulls**t  Tunnel but if we get to August with no Building Licence then i feel we need to consider seeking alternative legal advice as a group...

Whatever happens the Builders have stated that they will not start the build until Summer 2007 irrespective but we need to see a Building Licence before then so at least we have the option to then re-sell or keep our properties

We are off out again 5th April for 10 days and will do a site visit and also speak with Palmera & the Builders and see what the latest is...

I have however spoken to ** EDITED NAME ** at Palmera again this week and he informs me we are still at stale mate awaiting the Building Licence which we were told on our last visit would be 6 weeks - This ironically was 6 weeks ago weeks...

So i am going to make some noises at Palmera after the Easter weekend and see what excuses can be provided when i speak to them face to face and get Palmera to phone the builders whilst i am in their offices and hear their bulls**t replies and will report back...

Finally....              If Palmera or Mirador read this Post - Then please have the kettle on........... 

 

 



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18 Apr 2007 11:19 AM by djo Star rating. 14 forum posts Send private message

** EDITED ** Removed due to reference to ex employee

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02 May 2007 6:17 PM by JamesH Star rating. 3 forum posts Send private message

** EDITED ** Removed due to references to ex employee

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13 May 2007 9:20 PM by coupe Star rating. 7 forum posts Send private message

 

Latest Update - 13th May 2007

 

Without Prejudice..

Spoke with Palmera Properties last week whilst I was once again out in Spain.

I had NO reason to visit the Palmera Offices as I managed - after two lengthy phone calls to their Offices explaining that I was in Spain for 10 days - to obtain the latest and what I believe to be the current NON Bull S**T state of play which is as follows:-....

 

** EDITED ** Removed ex employee's name

A meeting was held with Anita - Palmera Properties and the Directors of Mirrador Properties on 4th May to discuss the current situation along with other developments currently under construction by Mirrador which are being sold by Palmera

 

Mirrador apologise for their lack of communication and support due to lack of management support & efficiency over the past 12 months

 

Mirrador confirm that they will with immediate effect improve communications and put in writing their actions and timescales to Palmera

 

Mirrador confirm that they defiantly have the Building Licence “In Place”

 

When asked to provide a copy of said Building Licence it was not made clear that they actually had it in their possession but it is clear that the Building Licence has been issued and is at the local Ayuntamiento (Town Hall)

 

It is my belief and Palmera’s intimation – but we are not sure - that Mirrador have not yet collected the Building Licence as there is a hefty Fee to pay for this Licence and with the way that properties are NOT selling on the Costa that they like all builders have a lot of empty unsold properties on their books and want to sell them before starting another development. This however is not what Mirrador have intimated.

Mirrador did say that they will be issuing contracts very soon but unlikely to commence work until late summer 2007.

Whilst out in Spain I visited the sight which has as we know been started by Aifos and have taken some 15  “Up Close – On Site images” ….

Those of you who would like to see these images that were taken on Saturday 5th May then please advise and I will forward copies to you…

Regards

 

Coupe'......

 

 

 

 



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15 May 2007 9:35 AM by djo Star rating. 14 forum posts Send private message

All sounds very good,but I was told the same thing   IN JULY 04!


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15 May 2007 10:44 AM by coupe Star rating. 7 forum posts Send private message

Dear DJO
Yes this may be so but then the Building Licence had not been issued
Please don't shoot the messenger!!!!!!!!!
For those of you who wish to contact Palmera Properties direct then please email Racheal Avellano at the following Email address:-
Coupe'



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15 May 2007 12:15 PM by djo Star rating. 14 forum posts Send private message

Have you read the pages on Palmera on this web site?


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18 May 2007 10:02 PM by coupe Star rating. 7 forum posts Send private message

Due to the number of people requesting images please go to "Shared Photos" where you will find 4 batches of 6 images dated 5th May 2007 taken on site.

The construction works is 100% Aifos but some of the roads have also been put in on the Mirador site by Aifos.

The was no work being done on 5th May as we had experienced 3 days of heavy rain - however i managed to get close enough to take these images.

I hope it gives you some idea and helps you all see the current status of the development.

Coupe'

 




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14 Jun 2007 6:05 PM by robson Star rating. 25 forum posts Send private message

THERE IS AN ARTICLE IN EL PAIS IN SPANISH WE COULD,NT TRANSLATE IT BUT  IT IS NOT GOOD NEWS ABOUT THE SITE

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18 Jun 2007 11:05 PM by coupe Star rating. 7 forum posts Send private message

This is the latest info i have found along with the best Spainish to English translation i can obtain
Coupe'
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La Fiscalía ve indicios de delito en el proyecto Valle del Rosario Golf

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13/06/07 02:52 AGENCIAS

n MÁLAGA. La Fiscalía de Málaga ha remitido al juzgado decano de Antequera las diligencias de investigación correspondientes al proyecto de urbanización Valle del Rosario Golf para determinar si se ha incurrido en un presunto delito contra la ordenación del territorio.

Esta investigación se inició tras la denuncia presentada en agosto del año pasado por la asociación Ecologistas en Acción contra este proyecto, que incluye una urbanización con campo de golf y un complejo comercial, por supuesto incumplimiento de las normas subsidiarias del municipio de Villanueva del Rosario e incurriendo en un supuesto delito ecológico por la destrucción de un importante hábitat para la fauna.

A raíz de la denuncia, el fiscal de Medio Ambiente pidió una serie de diligencias tanto al Ayuntamiento afectado, el de Villanueva del Rosario, como a la Delegación Provincial de la Consejería de Medio Ambiente, pero hubo una "nula colaboración administrativa", según informó ayer en un comunicado el colectivo ecologista.

Ante esta situación, el representante del Ministerio Público remitió el caso al juzgado decano de Antequera para que repartiera el expediente. Según Ecologistas en Acción, desde el pasado 30 de mayo se encuentra en manos del Juzgado de Instrucción número 1 de este municipio, que previsiblemente lo remitirá al partido judicial correspondiente.

El proyecto denunciado pertenece al Grupo Mirador y a la empresa Aifos, se encuentra actualmente en construcción y abarca una superficie superior a 1,7 millones de metros cuadrados.

Según Ecologistas en Acción, el complejo urbanístico podría elevar la población en más de 4.600 residentes.

Las actuaciones llevadas a cabo hasta la fecha han supuesto la muerte de unas 600 encinas y quejigos, la "invasión" de una vía pecuaria bajo el vial de la urbanización y el enterramiento de dos arroyos a lo largo de casi 300 metros, según los datos aportados por el colectivo ecologista.

Fuentes cercanas a una de las empresas responsables del proyecto negaron ayer que se haya cometido ninguna irregularidad y aseguraron que el plan "se ha hecho conforme a la legalidad". Informaron que el expediente consta de los preceptivos informes medioambientales y de licencia concedida por el Área de Urbanismo del Ayuntamiento afectado.

 

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13/06/07 02:52 AGENCIES n MLAGA. The Fiscala de Mlaga has sent to the court dean of Antequera the diligences of investigacin corresponding to the project of urbanizacin Valley of the Rosary Golf to determine if it has been incurred a presumed crime against ordenacin of the territory. This investigacin inici after the denunciation presented/displayed in August of ao happened through asociacin Ecological in Accin against this project, that includes one urbanizacin with golf course and a commercial complex, of course breach of the subsidiary norms of the municipality of Villanueva of the Rosary and incurring a supposed ecolgico crime by destruccin of important hbitat for the fauna. To raz of the denunciation, the public prosecutor of Medio.ambiente pidi a series of diligences as much to the affected City council, the one of Villanueva of the Rosary, like a the Provincial Delegacin of the Advisor of Medio.ambiente, but was "null colaboracin administrative", segn inform yesterday in an official notice the ecological group. Before this situacin, the representative of the Pblico Ministry remiti the case to the court dean of Antequera so that he distributed the file. Segn Ecological in Accin, from the past 30 of May is into the hands of the Court of nmero Instruccin 1 of this municipality, that foreseeably to send it party to the corresponding judicial. The denounced project belongs to the Group Viewpoint and to the Aifos company, it is at the moment in construccin and it includes a surface superior to 1.7 million square meters. Segn Ecological in Accin, the urbanstico complex podra to elevate poblacin in ms of 4,600 residents. The carried out performances to date have supposed the death of 600 oaks and quejigos, "invasin" of one goes cattle under the avenue of urbanizacin and the interment of two streams throughout almost 300 meters, segn the data contributed by the ecological group. Sources near one of the companies responsible for the project denied yesterday that no irregularity has been committed and assured that the plan "has become according to the legality". They informed that the file consists of the mandatory environmental information and license granted by the criminal of Urbanism of the affected City council.

 

 

 

 

 




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19 Jun 2007 9:42 AM by djo Star rating. 14 forum posts Send private message

Go to the website of the Costa del Sol Action Group,Go to Palmera properties and sign up.


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19 Jun 2007 12:04 PM by robson Star rating. 25 forum posts Send private message

already signed it

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31 Jul 2007 12:41 PM by Banjo 72 Star rating. 5 forum posts Send private message

Like all the rest of you, I've reached the end of my rope with Palmera. It's difficult to know whether to join in with one of the class actions already up and running against Palmera, or to sit tight and wait for the situation to unravel. The BIG question for me is whether Palmera are fraudsters or whether they are genuinely caught up in the builder's mess. I paid a deposit of approx. 37,000 euros over three years ago and have only just been made aware by Palmera that I can ask for a full refund. Whether I get it or not remains to be seen! The court action against Palmera that I am aware of is being led by the Costa del Sol action group (www.costa-action.co.uk) I have spoken to Mr. Rhys-Jones, who heads up this company, and he seems to have an abundance of evidence to indicate that Palmera are indeed crooks. I also have a property at Mirador de Torreblanca, which I bought off plan and have sold...inasmuch as the purchaser has paid a 25,000 euro deposit, which I have banked. The development has hit a snag, and we cannot complete, but at least I have recovered part of my original costs. Needless to say, I will have made a  loss on this deal, as it has not made any profit in over three years.


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01 Aug 2007 10:06 AM by djo Star rating. 14 forum posts Send private message

We were informed to ask for our deposit back,But Mirador only offered 21000 euro of the 38000 paid.

We have joined the action group but I am trying to find out how bona fide the Costa Del sol Action Group is before i Send them my confidential Docs.Does anyone know?




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19 Dec 2007 1:05 PM by bevjack1 Star rating. 4 forum posts Send private message

I've just started a new thread. I'm about to join CDSAG as we bought 3 1/2 years ago on Valle Rosario and like yourselves have had virually nothing from Palmera. However CDSAG have sent me loads of information and updates even before I have paid to join the fight (doing that this week).

I have quite a lot of faith in them and feel they will fight our cause. If you need an e-mail address for the contact let me know and I'll palce it on.

Good luck and here's to getting out money back (all of it plus compensation).

Cheers




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