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17 Mar 2007 12:00 AM by davidf Star rating in London. 4 forum posts Send private message

I am currently in Spain for the weekend visiting my apartment in Duquesa.   I purchased this 2 years ago in Phase1, Block11, second floor.  Nice 2bed, 2bath, however as I was leaving I met an old aquaintance from a local agent and we had a good chat.

So it appears that Arenal has stopped work in Arenal Duquesa and Arenal Golf Benalmadena, and the bank has taken over.  Development work has been stopped until another developer is appointed to finish the work.  It is likely that the new developer will be Gerens from Madrid.  Caja Sur (bank) which has funded Arenal for so many projects over so many years seems to be now in charge.  So the handover is likely to be delayed now.  From what I hear phase 1 is unlikely to change under new developer, however they may make some planning changes to the other phases to recover some expenses. We should find out soon enough.  I would appreciate if someone with some inside knowledge confirm some of this findings .......

I have just also completed on another apartment in Arenal Golf Phase 3 in Benalmadena and hence am looking to sell my apartment in Duquesa.  It is one of the best ones.  Let me know if anyone is looking for an apartment in Duquesa.



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19 Mar 2007 3:55 PM by peps Star rating in manchester and duque.... 410 forum posts Send private message

if only we knew how long this hold up will be.  thanks for the information david and please post if you (or anybody else) hears any more on it. just as a point of interest did you get onto the site at all and how did it look. my appartment is in same block as yours

suzanne



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19 Mar 2007 7:30 PM by andrew60 Star rating. 11 forum posts Send private message

I was there yesterday.  I am in block 4 in the second phase but was very impressed with what I saw on the opposite side of the road from my apartment.  The gardens were looking very good, trees in planters, paving completed.  It looked like it was ready to move in.  It looks great.

Andrew



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19 Mar 2007 8:49 PM by thewards Star rating. 18 forum posts Send private message

got same story from our spanish solicitor today. Phase one finished but the handover will not be till May at the earliest. New planing laws being put in place before the local elections in May so Habitation licence held up due to back log.... We asked could we pull out of contract but were told that Arenal do not deem themselves to be in breach of contract due to the fact that they lodged all the paper work with the Town Hall last October so we would have to go to court which could take up to 8 months..Hopefull we will have the Apartment by then.....but you never know....



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19 Mar 2007 9:34 PM by laurdan Star rating. 441 forum posts Send private message

I spoke to Paul Cox last week this is what he told me

Everything is still on target for the end of April. They are aware that paperwork is missing from the application, this can only be submitted by the new project team (Gerens). As they do not start until 2 April 07, it is postponed until then. This will not affect completion.. The missing paperwork is in connection with guarantees that need to be left by Gerens.

The application was applied for in two stages, the first being Dec 06 and the second application in Jan 07.  The licence is due end of April with completion to follow.

I remain confident that completion of Phase one will take place May 07.  If you multiply the outstanding balances by the apartments you are looking at a very large sum of money that the bank will surely want in their account. 

 



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20 Mar 2007 5:10 PM by davidf Star rating in London. 4 forum posts Send private message

I have been several emails by purchasers who are considering pulling out of the development, and here is a summary of information which may be useful to all.

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Many have purchased in Spain with hope of appreciation and their hopes have been dashed.  In most cases the properties have been purchased over the market price,  and in the current spanish market these properties are not sellable.  Properties west of Estepona are particularly difficult to sell (or rent for that matter!)

If you are considering cancellation of your contract it is useful to know the following.  You have signed contract with Arenal Sur, which is the company jointly owned by Arenal 2000 and Caja Sur (bank).  As Arenal is now out of the development,. Arenal Sur is now completely owned by Caja Sur and they will be responsible for delivering on all the contracts terms and conditions.  One of the terms and conditions in the contract is concerning the completion date.  If the completion date is delay more than a period of time as a result of their fault, you are allowed to cancel the contract and ask for the original funds and compensation (usually 10% of the deposit or some interest amount according to ECB rate).  You will really need to look at your own contract and be able to show that the delay is caused by Arenal Sur.  Unless they admit this in black and white, this last part is quite difficult.  Also note that the habitation license doesnot mean that the apartment is habitable.  Apartments in Phase 3 of Arenal Golf also have licenses, but the lifts still do not work, there is no working entry system, and most of the common areas have no electricity.  SO MAKE SURE YOU VISIT THE APARTMENT BEFORE SIGNING ON THE LAST DOTTED LINE.

My experience is that most Spanish Lawyers do not really advise their clients correctly and in some cases they are totally useless.  This is true specially if they have been introduced to you by the property agent, who is most likely collecting comission for bringing business to them.  You need to ensure that you understand the contract you have signed with Arenal Sur.
 
One small word of warning (this is the small print !)   >>>   In spain, once you part with your money, it is usually very difficult to get it back.  Spanish law does not work as well as UK and is generally not there to protect the customer. <<<
On a completely separate issue note :
1- you only have 15 days from date of completion to report any Snags to the developer.  In most cases, you may not even have the utilities e.g. electricity, connected by then, in which case this will be quite difficult. Ensure that your contract increases this to at least 30 days. Wihout electricity you can not report problems with the new kitchen or any faulty electrical wiring.
2-  and then add a clause to force repair within 2 months.  Some developers are very slow in fixing items.
3-  ensure that common areas facilities are working specially if you are dependant on them, e.g. the lift
4-  in most case the airconditioning would not be connected when you take over and you will have to organise this separately. Ensure that you test this before the workmen leave your apartment. test for both hot and cold air.
5-  if you are looking to buy a furniture pack for your apartment, then get a reference from a friend or someone you trust and do not part with your money too easily. Note that in Spain you can negotiate the price.  Agree the items in writing, ensure that they deliver the items you have agreed with them, before paying the balance.
Hope all above helps,
David.


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20 Mar 2007 6:16 PM by alanwspencer Star rating in Hertfordshire/Duques.... 340 forum posts Send private message

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Arenal are denying they are responsible for the delay on completion and it will be difficult to prove otherwise without a long tedious and possibly expensive court case. In addition with property prices levelling off (although I believe in most cases price paid 3 years ago has increased at today's valuation) it would make sense to purchase the property as the market will eventually recover. Although it is tough to sell or rent currently this particular development is ideally placed for beach, golf, port and cafes/restaurants and as we all know location is everything. Yes there are problems to resolve and we must be careful that everything is to our satisfaction before completing, but I think we should be positive about the development and think back to why we purchased in the first place. 

Alan


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20 Mar 2007 7:05 PM by JAYDEN Star rating. 18 forum posts Send private message

We were contacted by our solicitors in November asking us if we wanted re rescind our contract and receive a refund of monies paid to date because the contract completion was suppose to be 30th October 2006 and as stated in clause 6 of the contract the buyer had until the 15th Nov to notify the developer that he wished to resolve his contract, receive a refund plus legal interests and as an compensation receive a 10% of the monies paid to date.

As we were concerned with the president of Arenal 2000 was arrested we thought it would be an opportunity to get our monies back to date and invest it elsewhere.  However,  it wasnt so easy Arenal argued the following:

 

They considered that our solicitors were not entitled to represent us to cancel because we had not given them power of attorney at that time.  This of course could be rectified by us going to a public notary.  They also mentioned that the property has been built in the agreed period of time, as the architect has already certified the construction has been finished (this is relating to Phase 1 Block 13). From a legal point of view as the property has not obtained the first occupation license yet, it can not be considered finished, so they have not fulfilled their contractual oligations.  Finally, they consider that they are not inbreach of contract as the completion date had not expired , and they argue that the Andalusian Law allows to agree completion dates in trimesters.  Although it is true that the Andalusian Law allows to agree completion dates in monthly basis and also in trimsters, this is not the case of our private purchase contract, as there  is an specific date to proceed with completion, and our property has to be legally finished on that date.  The contract specifically allows us to cancel the contract if the property was not ready by the 30th october alternatively, we also had the right of granting 8 months more to the developer to finish the property if we so wished but this had not been the case.

Bearing in mind of the above in our solicitors opinion we had a right to cancel our contract and the developer had the obligation of refunding the money that we have already paid, plus legal interest, plus 10% of the funds that we had already paid as a compensation.

Nevertheless, as the developer is refusing to proceed with the cancellation of the contract and the refund of the money, in order to exercise our rights, we would have to take legal actions against the developer and although the funds that we had already paid are protected with an insurance policy, the developer and the insurance company  are cooperating between them and for that reason our solicitors considered that the chance that we would be paid from the insurance company was very low, unless we took legal action against them as well.

Our solicitor stated that if we wanted to cancel our contract we would have to be aware of the following

The next step would be to grant power of attorney to our solicitor cost being 200-300 pounds.

Once power of attorney given they would request again from the insurance co and the developer to proceed with the payment of the moneys that they have been paid plus interests.  They would also request the developer to pay the 10%of the funds that have already been paid (as this is not covered by the insurance policy).    The fees then for the solicitor requesting for the payment from the developer and insurance co would have been 500 euros plus VAT.  95% of the cases both the developer and the insurace co would refuse to refund the money and pay the 10% compensation ast this is what they have already said.  If this is still the case, after requesting them to proceed with the payment again, next step would be to take legal action against both the developer and the insurance co.   Our solicitors fees would be 2,000 euros plus VAT.  Also we would have to make a provision of fund 800 euros to cover fees for barrister.  The trial process could take about 1.5 - 2yrs to have a sentence depending on the volume of work in the court.

Our solicitors advised us we were entitled to cancel our contract and claim to the developer to pay us compensation but made us aware that we could not be guaranteed we would win and if we did win then the developer could appeal the sentence and this would involve more time and expenses for us.

Therefore knowing the above and knowing how long things take in Spain to get done we decided it was not a good idea to proceed with cancellation as our money would be tied up for 2 years plus costs and expenses could raise to £2000+.  The Spanish Law would also be in favour to the Spanish especially when these developers could be paying the'people at the top'.  So its a matter of sticking with it and hoping that they sort themselves out and get the complex completed and up and running so that the complex can arrange a community of owners meeting to ensure any site problems can be sorted out before the developer moves out.

Sorry the above long winded but wanted to show everyone the problems that arise if u wish to pull out.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



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20 Mar 2007 9:14 PM by pcarey Star rating. 3 forum posts Send private message

My Lawyer gave me the following feedback on cancellation of the contract

The developing company Arenal Sur 21 s.l. has been recently sold to a Bank called Caja sur. The managers for Arenal Duquesa are still Arenal 2000. That might be the reason for the delays in responding to our queries.

Nevertheless I hereby inform you what the contract stipulates regarding the

cancellation:

It says that, If you do not complete they have two possibilities:

a)Force you to complete and pay the balance of the purchase price.

b)Cancel the contracts, in which case they will refund you the amounts paid as deposit, deducting 10% of the amounts to be paid on time of the cancellation and deducting the commission paid to the sales agents.

Furthermore it says that If you choose unilaterally to cancel the contract they would be able to keep the full amount of the deposit as compensation for damages, unless the parties agree something different.



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21 Mar 2007 5:03 PM by laurdan Star rating. 441 forum posts Send private message

Basically it is what my 19 year old son calls "Screwed"

I wonder what would happen if everyone decided not to complete?  The highs and lows of buying in Spain!

Davidf - Thank you for your comments, of which I have taken on board.

 



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22 Mar 2007 11:42 AM by thewards Star rating. 18 forum posts Send private message

Can anyone confirm the following information..

.Arenal and the Town Council of Manilva are in "talks" over who should complete the road up to the development. This being one of the reasons that licence has not gone thru... 

 



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22 Mar 2007 3:30 PM by laurdan Star rating. 441 forum posts Send private message

 

I was told by Paul Cox (sales guy in Arenal sales office) that the reason the licence had not gone through was due to Gerens (the newly appointed construction firm starting on site 2 April 07) having to submit paperwork in connection with the licence/guarantees.  I would have thought the developer would be responsible for the road; surely the road would be all part of the agreement to allow planning.

I do know that currently there is a dispute over the El Hacho area, which extends from the port area up to and including Monte Duquesa.  The residents are being asked to pay for the repair of the infrastructure that has been damaged by the developer’s trucks.  The El Hacho area does not include Arenal Duquesa. 



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