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03 Sep 2008 1:21 PM by mariadecastro Star rating in Algeciras (Cadiz). 9419 forum posts Send private message

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Dear Stuart:

Again today we have been informed by one of our clients in El Patio de Doña Julia development that a lawyer from Lawyers of Spain is giving  to him bad press of us. I keep wondering why? It is not the first time.
I have learnt to think as Don Quixote: " If they are barking is because we are riding",  but I need to say I am still too young to get used to those misconducts among colleagues. It is true too  that I am an idealist and life is in many occassions.... a jungle.

Going to your point, please find answers below in bold green ( same text of your email):

I am very keen to cancel the contract and obtain my deposit. A very good friend of mine who also has an apartment in El Patio is also very keen to do the same; so we are 2. How many more would like Maria de Castro to start proceedings ? I am not advocating we go to court on a 50/50 chance but it seems as though the odds could well be in our favour. Obviously the longer time goes on the shorter the odds.

Can Maria give an opinion on the claim for compensation for the lack of facilities that were promised at the outset; in particular the "village with 9 theme restaurants" ? This was not suggested in the sales literature this was portrayed as a definite facilty which would be available for El Patio owners.  Where was that portrayed? If we do not go to court to cancel the contract maybe we should be seeking compensation. If those facilities were presented to you anyhow ( evidentially ) within the making decission process, you have got both actions available.

Regards
Stuart Burrell



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03 Sep 2008 3:51 PM by cxt32 Star rating. 3 forum posts Send private message

Maria, Stuart,

I also have an apartment at El Patio, and my lawyers are also Lawyers of Spain.

When the original promised completion date came and passed in December 2007, they told me that the developer had a 'grace period' of 6 months to complete the transaction and this was common in Spanish law. I thought this was odd, but trusted them.

However, 6 months have clearly passed and I recently contacted them to start proceeding with the cancellation of the contract as the developer has not fulfilled the contract. But I was told that the developer still has one more year to complete the transaction. I don't know why it's one more year, and am very confused by the situation. From what Lawyers of Spain have told me, it appears that the developer can do exactly what they want and complete whenever they feel like and completion dates are not important.

I suggest that we commence an action (jointly funded) against the developer.

Please let me know your thoughts.


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04 Sep 2008 6:58 AM by mariadecastro Star rating in Algeciras (Cadiz). 9419 forum posts Send private message

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Dear cxt32:

Automatic extensions have been declared illegal by the Spanish Supreme Court on interpretation of Contract Law´s basic principles such as reciprocity and balance. Every deadline extension needs to be communciated and justified by developer and allowed by you. They cannot operate automatically.

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Maria

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04 Sep 2008 6:11 PM by Richard777 Star rating. 4 forum posts Send private message

hi everyone, im new to this website and wish i found it earlier!!

i bought at el patio de dona julia in summer 2005 and was told completion in nov 07. obviously we are now sep 08 and still no completion so i am seeking my money back with interest and will be emailing maria tonight. i am also with lawyers of spain who are telling me that if i pursue cancelling i may lose in court and be faced with the legal bills!!! anyone any advice. 

regards richard


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05 Sep 2008 6:47 AM by mariadecastro Star rating in Algeciras (Cadiz). 9419 forum posts Send private message

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Richard:

Do you have your Bank Guarantee?

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12 Sep 2008 12:27 PM by jturner Star rating. 40 forum posts Send private message

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Hi All,
 
I am not a purchaser at this development.
 
The solutions available to purchasers of Evemarina products are very long expensive drawn out legal matters for new communities to embark on.
 
We had an 18 month delay for the first occupation licence (FOL). You will need the FOL to get connection contracts for electricity, gas, and water meters. In our case the delays quoted in obtaining the FOL were due to flooding because of heavy rain delaying construction work, pumping out the foundations and underground car park. Electricity suppliers not completing work at specified dates. Quarry strikes. Delays by Town Hall inspectors for signing off the FOL. Delays by the Mayors office for not signing off the FOL.
 
Your delays for the FOL will never be the fault of Evemarina they will justify all outcomes so the option of going to court and blaming them for any delay will be difficult. Individual compensation claims have been entered into court by some owners here and they have won the case! No compensation was awarded by the judge or any legal costs.
 
The FOL will not be granted if the infrastructure is not completed and signed off.
 
Evemarina has handed over our new community La Hacienda de Mijas Golf with many defects for example the swimming pool showers drainage piped back into the skimmers and returning to the swimming pool water! Our community paid for this repair so that the swimming pool could be used this is an obvious construction defect but for some strange reason was the responsibility of the community. The claim is outstanding with the numerous necessary defect repairs paid from the inadequate community funds.
 
As a community we were being told that defects were the responsibility of the community even before the development was handed over! For example the whole residence had rain water stains from the planters on the finishes of the facades. The facades were supposed to be finished in quality water proof paint. The whole residence is not painted at all.
 
Brochure incentives missing. For example a gymnasium. Totally against consumer law try telling Evemarina that. This another outstanding claim.
 
Non disclosed additional community charges before contract. During our first AGM for the constitution of the community it was discovered in the presented budget (our administrator was the appointment of Evemarina) that our community had to pay 27000.00€ per year to the administrator of the golf course. This administrator has control over the golf course budget with contributions from all the individual communities in the urbanization. For example similarly sized residences pay tens of thousands of euros less than we are being asked to contribute.
 
At this meeting we were told this would be for the provision of services, for example security guards and upkeep of access roads etc.. No services have ever been provided.
 
A main road passes between our development and the golf course and we are a separate entity but on the urban plan we are in the boundary of the urbinization. Later at subsequent community meetings it was decided by majority not to pay this money as no services were provided.
 
Demands have been made for this outstanding debt by the administrators of the golf course . A meeting has been requested by our president and administrator, we have had no response except demands for payment! Included with the demand is paper work (contract) signed by Evemarina at the notary that these payments would be made by our community when the construction was completed and handed over.
 
Our boundary of the construction falls within the urbanization of the golf course the ground which was previously light industrial a fabrica. So a ground rent/charge was agreed for the construction to go ahead albeit tens of thousands of euros more than the fabrica was paying.
 
Was this divulged to prospective purchasers by the developer. No it was not because any purchaser of these off plan properties would question the value for money that the community fee would be used for to enhance the upkeep of the community and the higher on cost for the individual in community fee.
 
Easy you might say! The community has even had a returned burofax from the promoter in answer to the large list of defects where they will remedy the concerns most of them in 15 days! This was last December 2007 our community has now paid for an independent professional architects report and advice from a lawyer who is competent in construction law, our president has signed the papers for the administrator to start the court proceedings for the defects to be repaired we await a hearing date which is 1 to 2 years. Embargos have been entered into court for the non payment of the community fee for empty properties still owned by the developer.
 
As you will be aware the building industry is in crisis and promoters/developer will seek protection from the court against creditors. Yes they can apply for this. This allows them to still function and employ people and of course make a profit. (no comment)
 
Lawyers give professional opinions on interpretation of the law. Judges make decisions and create precedent.
 
  • A developer has won a court case enforcing buyers of illegal off plan properties to complete the contract even though they are under threat of demolition.

 

  • Purchasers in another development have won a court case against a developer for a full refund of deposit plus interest. The counter claim of non completion was thrown out. The promoter has appealed the decision.
The Spanish Supreme Court is making a decision on this matter.
 
Individual court cases against the developer are in my opinion high risk because of the potential costs. Joint actions are a way forward before contract. You will need to be professionally advised on this particularly regarding your contract for specified completion of contract for full payment and completion to the developer once the FOL is obtained. There will be a time limit for you to pay up or lose your deposit. It is possible you have agreed to this in your contract.
 
Community action against the developer is a costly business especially with the current crisis in construction and the future viability of the developer. What money can a community risk for these actions?
 
The costs for these actions are the burden of the payers of community fees. The non payers do not contribute. The empty properties still owned by the promoter do not contribute. So the dividable cost rises with those who do contribute.
 
Your forthcoming budget for the year when you are handed over the community does not include any of these actions. Therefore upkeep suffers as a consequence.
 
All community matters at an AGM or EGM are approved by majority decisions voted by the owners. Small annual inflationary increases of 2.5% for community fees are difficult to get voted through by majority.
 
The politics and finances of the community and the importance of the work of a good president and administrator are unimaginably difficult.
 
I would strongly recommend that your future president takes out indemnity insurance paid for by the community.
 
 
Philip
 
 
 



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13 Sep 2008 5:52 PM by A. Flores Star rating in Marbella. 54 forum posts Send private message

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15 Sep 2008 12:45 PM by mariadecastro Star rating in Algeciras (Cadiz). 9419 forum posts Send private message

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Your email does not deserve an answer as it is clear that you just want to ruin my name... I have no time to spend on self-defense as I have many clients to work for.

I know what our clients think of us and I am just satisfied with that. All our practise is within the Law and for the best interests of our clients.

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15 Sep 2008 12:46 PM by mariadecastro Star rating in Algeciras (Cadiz). 9419 forum posts Send private message

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Your email does not deserve an answer as it is clear that you just want to ruin my name... I have no time to spend on self-defense as I have many clients to work for.

I know what our clients think of us and I am just satisfied with that. All our practise is within the Law and for the best interests of our clients.

Please submitt to EyeonSpain rules of friendly interventions.



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15 Sep 2008 2:02 PM by Stuart Burrell Star rating. 10 forum posts Send private message

I went to see the development on Friday. There are people on site and the gardens are now finished. Matteo, the foreman, was on site so he is still working. There was no one available in the sales office at the time. 

Personally, I would be inclined to research the possibility for compensation based on the village facility "promised" at the outset and detailed in sales literature, not being available. The village is also mentioned in the promotional DVD. I am sure everyone who has purchased an apartment will have their own copy of the sales literature. As an example of the wording in the sales literature here is an extract : 

Upon completion of the first phase of development, you will have the chance to enjoy the Dona Julia Golf Course as well as a village with 9 theme restaurants, many shops and the luxury Park Hyatt Casares………..”

The golf course is completed and the hotel is well on its way and is scheduled for completion in May 2009. However, there is no sign of the village; it has yet to be started. Evemarina cannot confirm when it will be started and certainly cannot give a finish date. They are saying that it is now The Hyatts responsibility. We didn't buy from the Hyatt, we bought from Evemarina who used the village as a tool not only to infer that the development was "upmarket" but would have better than average facilities compared to similar size lower cost developments. Therefore the above average prices were justified.

On this basis I feel we have a case - do you ????




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15 Sep 2008 2:11 PM by mariadecastro Star rating in Algeciras (Cadiz). 9419 forum posts Send private message


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25 Sep 2008 7:00 PM by Stuart Burrell Star rating. 10 forum posts Send private message

Ian Hixon and myself, Stuart Burrell, both El Patio owners, wish to pursue the idea of compensation with Evemarina based on the fact that there are no village facilities as promised in their sales literature which was used to entice to buy.

We intend approaching Maria de Castro with a view to presenting our case to Evemarina should she feel we have reasonable cause. 

I have had a number of private emails from other owners so I ask you all now to confirm to me who will join our consortium of owners. In view of the fact that it is possible that Evemarina may well have the first occupation licence for El Patio very soon we need to start our action within the next 7 days. So by 2nd October I need all the names of the owners wishing to participate together with their email addresses. I will email my full details to the individuals email address. 

Maria, can you just confirm that you will act for us in this matter. The conveyancing, I assume, can be retained by the owners appointed lawyers if they so wish ?

Kind regards
Stuart Burrell






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26 Sep 2008 9:26 AM by Shallot Star rating. 2 forum posts Send private message

We have some concerns about taking action against Evemarina for compensation on the lack of village facilities.
Assuming the First Occupation Licence will be issued 'soon', Evemarina will be requesting final payment. We are concerned about the following:

1) That the standard of workmanship and finishes ( including full completion of snags) is not up to the standard expected and promised. This includes the internal apartment, communal areas, gardens, pool, garage, store, lifts etc.

2) That there is a guarantee that all defects following handover will be rectified for a reasonable period ie one year! For example the kitchen equipment, air conditioning units, intercom systems etc usually have a manufacturer's warranty of one year from purchase. These have been in place already for almost one year.

3) That the  'Community Committee' will be in disarray due to disgruntled buyers and disinterested developers - see posting on this forum by a purchaser of La Hacienda de Mijas Golf on 12th Sept.

Could taking action against Evemarina for compensation cost us all in the coming few years?  We are sure that the lawyers will say that legally the developers will have to honour their side of the contract and further action could be taken against them, however it is clear that the reality is somewhat different.

We would certainly welcome opinions/ comments on the points raised from other buyers either publicly or via a private message.




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29 Sep 2008 6:22 PM by Stuart Burrell Star rating. 10 forum posts Send private message

Hi Shallot.

We don't know whether we are taking action (assume legal action) against Evemarina - that is yet another step. We want to put it to them that we feel we are entitled to compensation owing to the lack of promised facilities. How or if they respond will determine our next step. Without consultation with the other disgruntled owners this is purely my opinion at this stage.

Regards
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07 Nov 2008 9:41 AM by mitchell Star rating. 2 forum posts Send private message

it seems to have gone quite for a while on the forum.
can anyone bring us up to date.


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07 Nov 2008 5:01 PM by Stuart Burrell Star rating. 10 forum posts Send private message

At the moment I have 11 names who wish Maria de castro to pursue our claim for the return of the deposit. I have been in communication with Maria and I have supplied details such as a copy of the contract, the insurance information etc. She is also aware that work on the Hyatt Hotel has stopped. I am awaiting for maria to assess our position and give her view as to how we should proceed.

Regards

Stuart Burrell

 




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08 Nov 2008 11:48 AM by greatgolfer Star rating. 5 forum posts Send private message

I have just returned from Spain on Nov 7.
I called into the Sales Office and was told that the FLO should be given before the end of November.
Also that all snagging has been completed

Regarding the Hotel, the story is that the new owners have sacked the builders and that new builders will be appointed early next year.

Charles O'Neill

 




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10 Nov 2008 9:41 AM by Stuart Burrell Star rating. 10 forum posts Send private message

Thanks for the information. I have to say that I have been told each time I have visited the sales office since I did the snagging list about a year ago, that all they were waiting for was Casares Town hall to complete the formality of the inspection and this would be done in a matter of a couple of weeks. To be honest it was when they told me again in June that the FLO was a mere formality that I decided I would do something about it.

I am pleased that work on the hotel will restart in the new year but that must put the finishing date back to 2010, 2 years late. As a matter of interest where did you get that piece of information from ?

Regards

Stuart

 

 

 

 




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10 Nov 2008 1:47 PM by mitchell Star rating. 2 forum posts Send private message

stuart,

i sent you a personal e mail a while ago asking to include us in as an intereseted party for any action to be taken with regard to the development.

i'm not sure if you have us down on your list of 11 but if not can you do so please.

if Hyatt are no longer involved in the scheme who is the new hotel owner?




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10 Nov 2008 3:05 PM by Stuart Burrell Star rating. 10 forum posts Send private message

Mitchell, (is this your first name?). You are one of the 11. The Park Hyatt Hotel is now owned by Qatar National Hotel Group who is supposed to be finishing the building at Dona Julia.

Hope this helps

Stuart




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