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12 Jul 2007 12:00 AM by Jakemanzana Star rating in Manzana 3. 45 forum posts Send private message

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I have noticed on the invitation to the manzana 3 meeting , thathat there are some people with serious debts, Some have never paid.

If nothing is done about it by the Administrators this time, which I expect will be "Nothing"

Then we payers should get together and form an "Action Plan" to take direct action aginst these owners.

Some are living in or renting out their properties., we could make things "Difficult" for the owners of these properties.

Its time for action.

 




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12 Jul 2007 12:07 PM by seabury4 Star rating. 47 forum posts Send private message

Its the same situation in Manzana 6 but this is really a problem for the administrators to pursue through the normal legal route.  Its an important issue that should be raised at your AGM. 


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12 Jul 2007 2:26 PM by canavant Star rating. 5 forum posts Send private message

 

No one should take 'direct action' against any other owner or occupier to collect management charges. The collecting of these charges is a  function of the Administration.

If people have completed on their properties then there is no reason why they cannot be pursued for payment. It is extremely unfair on those who do pay.

Many have not completed on their contracts to purchase which I suspect is the main problem. This may remain the case until licences are issued.

 




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12 Jul 2007 3:28 PM by Jakemanzana Star rating in Manzana 3. 45 forum posts Send private message

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Well Canavant, who ever you are, you have not stated if you are an owner and have paid?... until you do your opinion is of little importance to those of us who are resident/owners and have paid.

Some owners are as much as 5000euros+ in arrears. the "Administration" has failed as yet to collect, so the rest of us are paying through the nose to support them.

 

 



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12 Jul 2007 8:00 PM by kenny e Star rating. 73 forum posts Send private message

I appreciate jakemanzanas passionate enthusiasm and agree that the non-payment of community fees is detrimental to the sustainance of the high standards that the development holds; although I would stop short of condoning the suggestion of gung-ho ´direct action´ from a mafia-style group of elderly vigilantes who want to make things ´difficult´ for non-payers, especially as alternative, legal and relatively peaceful proceedings have already been agreed and initialised in most, if not all, Manzanas.

It is important to note that those owners who are paying the fees are not paying any extra to support the funds depleted by those who aren´t.  All paying completers are paying the same amount they would be as if every owner had completed and were paying - this is why the community leaders and workers have the unenviable task of maintaining the development with no funds available and trying to keep everybody happy at the same time. 

The non-payers (including those who have not completed) are being charged the same amounts and legal proceedings are being taken against them by the Administrators law team regularly.  It must sometimes be difficult to instigate proceedings against contract owners who perhaps live in another country and who have maybe changed address and contact details in the years that have passed since they signed the contract initially. 

It is fairly common knowledge that litigation in Spain is a time-consuming practice and this ought to be taken into consideration before levelling accusations of  ´failure´ by the Administration whose work is succesful and ongoing - work that due to the lack of community funds (thanks to non-payers) is always carried out at the lowest cost and generally to be paid later.  The law team are working on a ´no win, no fee´ basis and so their enthusiasm to the task ought not to be questioned either.

Finally, all the apartments with contracts held under the Peñarroya ownership have their community fees paid up to date - I know this because I have made enquiries with people who have seen proof of such payments having being made.  Any cynical doubters of this fact would be wise to do their own research before posting anything mildly to the contrary for their own hidden agenda.

 




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13 Jul 2007 7:22 AM by johnone Star rating in La Reserva de Marbel.... 233 forum posts Send private message

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I agree with kenny that vigilante action is not the way forward, but a its bit presumptious to say that poeple who would consider action are  "Elderly Vigilantes"  I'm sure some "Young Wippersnappers" feel the same.

Anyway let's hope the meeting gets some results. I note that they are making provision for lifegaurds in the proposal for 07/08. a figure of eu 14.700 is proposed. This does not seem a large amount, unless it is only to cover block(s) with larger pools. If so then i think it should be a block specific charge and not shared by the whole complex. However I may be jumping the gun here a bit, but discussion is what this forum is or should be all about.

As I have stated in other links, its good to see the improvements being made all around, lets enjoy our complex.

 

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