Astronomical interest and legal fees - what are my options?

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03 Mar 2011 12:00 AM by Baby_N Star rating. 2 posts Send private message

I had a 10,000€ personal loan with a Caja de ahorros. In 2008, due to the high rate of interest on my mortgage, I found I couldnt afford paying it anymore. In September 2008 they sent a burofax to my parents address in Zaragoza asking me to pay the whole amount otherwise there would be a "proceso monitorio".  (I had already chagnged my address with them to my actual address, and I used to receive the Equifax letters and the bank statements here). By an unfortunate coincidence, the day they sent the burofax, I was in hospital giving birth to my son, and my parents were here with me, as a consequence I never found out about the burofax until much later.


In November 2008, unaware of the above, I rang my office to ask how much were the outstanding monthly amounts I had to pay them, (I received the 2500€ that the government was giving for having a baby at that time and I wanted to clear the back payments). They told me the loan was in legal, and I had to pay the whole amount plus legal fees if i wanted them to stop the legal process. Of course, if I couldnt afford 136€ a month, I was hardly going to afford 10.000€ in one go! Anyway, i made a payment of 830€ on the 12th of November 2008 and continued to make voluntary payments of 200€ a month.
 
I contacted a solicitor that worked for the company I used to work for, who is a friend of mine, and she helped me writing a burofax to the bank, asking for an agreement of making monthly payments, and in return asking if they would stop the legal proccess. They never replied to my offer.
 
In January 2009, my work got a letter from the court, saying they had to seize my wages at source. I work for a private school but I am paid by Comunidad de Madrid, so it took a while between the time they received the letter from court, and the point at which they started with embargo. In the meantime, the bank asked court as well to seizure my income taxes in case they were "negativa".
 
I wrote to the judge, (on behalf of myself as I couldnt afford a solicitor), explaining the facts, and asking for a reduction in my seizure, as  I had 3 small children. The judge forwarded my letter to the bank and then the bank replied. They completely lied saying on that on the 14th November 2008 we had reached an agreement that I would pay 300€ monthly and that I hadn´t accomplished it on any month. (they never replied to my offer of agreement!). Anyway the judge didnt reduce the seizure, and since April 2010 they are taking 462€ from my monthly wages, 100€ monthly that hacienda "pays" me for having a child under 3, and as well the income tax from last year.
 
From November 2008 to October 2009 I made voluntary payments of 2760€ in total. From April 2010 (when the embargo began) to February 2011, I have paid a further 7901,91€. The judge asked my employer to seize my wages until the amoungt of 7966,81€  + 2300€ for legal fees and interest. So I have already paid more than the judge stipulated.
 
I asked the bank a month ago to inform the judge that all payments had been received (the judge is unaware of the 2760€ of voluntary payments I made before the embargo took effect), and the bank told me that the 2300€ for legal fees was just an estimation, and the actual fee could be as high as 6000€! So I now find myself in the position of paying almost 600€ a month with no idea what the money is for.
 
My questions are:
 
1.- is there a deadline for the solicitors of the bank to ask for the final liquidation of interests and legal fees?
 
2.- Is it worth hiring a solicitor and "procurador" to ask the court to stop the seizure, as I already have paid the amounts that the Judge asked for?
 
 
Many thanks





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03 Mar 2011 2:53 PM by guslopez Star rating in Lorca, Murcia.. 744 posts Send private message

You should have denounced the bank at the 1st opportunity , using  'Hojas de Reclamación ' ,when they failed to respond to your letters & e-mails. You should then have denounced them again for lying at court & by failing to mention that you had made voluntary payments. You should approach the 'defensor del cliente ' of the bank citing all the above & if possible make a complaint with OMIC ( consumer organisation) .Local council can tell you where the offices are. The only way to get them to discuss the matter is to attack them using every means available to you, Hojas de reclamación, Omic, Defensor del cliente, etc; at every opportunity . If they do not reply to ANY communication make a complaint. Don't ever let anything pass. I would certainly ask the advice of a solicitor with a view to recovering anything overpaid & asking why they didn't have to supply proof that you'd made an aggreement that you didn't. I certainly can't see a judge making an order for 'open -ended '  costs.



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03 Mar 2011 3:23 PM by Faro Star rating in London. 1139 posts Send private message

Just another example of a Spanish bank going in for the kill.

I would have though scale fees should apply which based on the amount of the claim would not have been that high.





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03 Mar 2011 8:04 PM by Baby_N Star rating. 2 posts Send private message

Hi Gus,

 
Many thanks for the advice. Many of the ideas you have suggested are things I have thought of previously, and if I haven´t done them it is because I had faith in the judicial system and I refrained from antagonising the bank further.
 
Also, my immediate financial situation is dire, deprived of 600€ a month for almost a year now, I´m struggling to buy groceries, so I simply don´t have money to fling at solicitors. My concern is, that by starting any legal action now it could result in me having to pay even more legal costs in the long term, and perhaps it would be wiser to just let events run their course and see what happens.
 
By my own calculations I have already overpaid by 395.10€, by the end of this month it will be almost 1000€ overpaid. Does the bank have the right to keep taking money like this. What would happen if I called Guardia Civil and denounced the bank for theft? The paper I have from the judge says my wages are to be embargoed up to the amounts I stated previously.
 
Thanks





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07 Mar 2011 7:24 AM by mariadecastro Star rating in Algeciras (Cadiz). 9419 posts Send private message

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 2.- Is it worth hiring a solicitor and "procurador" to ask the court to stop the seizure, as I already have paid the amounts that the Judge asked for?

Of course it is. And in many occassions Bank stop when a strong defence is presented to them



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