airport delays

been reading about airport delays for non schengen eu citizens. I was wondering about Murcia St Javier (MJV) Has anyone gone through there in the last couple of weeks who can comment ? Also same for Alicante/Elche....any info from travellers ?

We didn't have any problems when we flew from Alicante yesterday but when we arrived at the start of our holiday it took ages to go through the biometric passport control. 

The only delays are because of the people who can't seem to work the biometric machines. Usually stick the passport in the wrong way round. 

I have sympathy for that. My passport is more recent than my wife's. It goes go into the machine a different way round from hers

There are delays now at Murcia San Javier although not too bad.

Instead of the 2 Guardia just flapping their hands at everybody they

are actually checking each & every passport.

Come through San Javier airport with no problems, just waved us straight through as usual, suppose it must depend who's on here.

I bring you news for the future of European travellers post Brexit, one more delightful concequence for the UK leaving the European Union. Perhaps in the future it will deter travellers to Spain which may be no bad thing depending on your point of view about mass tourisim and its negative effects.

Brussels has published the draft legislation for dealing with “visa-exempt third country nationals”, which is what British travellers will become after the UK leaves the EU.

The new regulations will increase the cost and complexity of holidays and business trips to the Schengen Area, which includes 22 EU countries plus Iceland, Norway, Switzerland and Liechtenstein. Red tape for travellers will be more tangled, with UK passport holders forced to pay for an online permit even for a “booze cruise” to Calais, a weekend in Amsterdam or a Northern Lights trip to the Arctic.

A proposed “EU Travel Information and Authorisation System” (ETIAS) aims to identify anyone thought to pose “a security, or irregular illegal immigration or public health risk”. The scheme aims to reduce risks by obliging prospective visitors to anywhere in the Schengen Area to fill in a detailed online form. They must provide details of “his or her identity, travel document, residence information, contact details, education and current occupation”.

.Travellers will also have to answer questions about their state of health, particularly any infectious diseases. But initial proposals to demand details of any criminal record, or previous presence in war zones, appear to have been dropped.

Some British travellers will inevitably fall foul of a new requirement for a passport to be valid for at least three months. Currently, passports are valid for travel anywhere in the European Union up to and including the date of expiry.

The draft law brings in another potential hazard: a passport “issued more than 10 years before”. British passports can be valid for 10 years and nine months, which means someone attempting to use their passport with nine months’ validity remaining could be rejected.

Yet the ETIAS scheme, and the fee involved, could drive interest to non-Schengen nations, such as Montenegro, Albania and Serbia.

The exact fee has not yet been decided, but it is likely to be in the range currently applied by countries such as Turkey, the US and Canada: between £5 and £16. The permit is expected to be valid for two years, or until the passport runs out.

Had the British remained in the EU they would almost certainly have obtained an opt out  from these Schengen regulations. Given that Britain may also be excluded from the EU open sky policy in future the prospects for flying to your holiday home are getting more difficult.

How long will it be before the reality dawns on 'leavers' that they have committed one of the greatest acts of self harm possible?

More Doom & Gloom from the 'We are doomed monger' hasn't it been said that the Schengen regulations have always been the same rules only now they have started to tighten them in the light of terroist activity, bit late but still.

You don't know that we will have to have a visa for anywhere, or permit, as of yet no one knows for sure.

Form filling to prove your background is as it always has been wide open to fraud so I cant see why anyone would be bothered about that.

Currently passports are not valid until the date of expiry anywhere in the EU, never have been, so nothing changed again.

Had the UK remained in the EU you know as well as everyone else we as a country would never have got any exemptions due to our weak leaders, we had hardly got what we wanted in the past so probably no change their either?

The reality hasn't dawned on the UK at all, but it has started to dawn on the EU that we mean it and they have lost us and the money which they need. Wont be to long that the EU folds in so no problems for anyone.

Who cares, better off with a caravan in Scunthorpe, no passport required, fish & chips, Bingo every night, no car hire scams.

Baz - Had the UK remained in the EU you know as well as everyone else we as a country would never have got any exemptions due to our weak leaders, we had hardly got what we wanted in the past so probably no change their either?

The UK managed to obtain an opt out from the Schengen zone in the first place that was a major achievement. Had the country remained an EU member these new restrictions would I believe not have been applied to the UK but we will never know.

These entry permits will presumably go on a national law enforcement data base. Any Brit inside the Schengen zone in future will be required to produce it along with their ID. Law enforcement will then have the ability to know instantly how and for how long said Brit has been inside the zone.

Not a problem for short stay holiday people but those currently flying under the radar in Spain not paying taxes are going to have a problem.

You wanted an end to free movement well you have it folks. It works both ways.

I lifted this from a contributor on politico.eu web site.

Previously, there were border checks only for people arriving into the Schengen Area. The main change is precisely that border checks will be carried out both on arrival into and departure away from the Schengen Area.

This will allow to identify overstayers: people who arrive within the Schengen Area legally, but stay longer than allowed (typically 90 days for tourists). Overstaying is a major avenue for illegal immigration.

After Brexit, that might cause difficulties for British pensioners staying long term at their second residence in Spain or elsewhere. They will be quickly identified as overstayers unless they apply to become residents. But without freedom of movement, that will not be straightforward anymore."

The BREXIT thread is closed due to party political broadcasts by the Mickyfinn party.

So how will it work if you drive? You arrive in France and have your documents checked, but there are no hard borders to Germany, Holland, Belgium, Spain, etc. 

Mark