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JWhite said:
Saturday, December 21, 2013 @ 11:37 AM

They will soon be attempting to ban this in the UK too which I think is a disgrace. This is the only way many people can give up on the real cigarettes, both my daughter and her partner have swapped to these and not only is it saving them a fortune but obviously their health has improved so they are probably saving the NHS money too but that means nothing to the tax collector. Where is the evidence that electronic cigarettes are bad for you ? I put this down to the unavailability at the moment to tax electronic cigarettes. After all, where is the ban on alcohol considering it is well known that alcohol is bad for your health or a ban on gambling but then look at the tax revenue taken in from these vices ?

In the UK gambling advertising has been increased 1000% on TV and nothing is done to stop that, I wonder why even though it is driving people into poverty ? Perhaps it is because the government takes a slice in tax on all gambling and there is no will to stop this revenue from flowing in. The same will apply no doubt to electric cars if they become popular (which is unlikely at the moment due to the initial outlay) but if people swap then electricity prices will go even higher to get the government's slice when they move away from petrol. Remember when diesel cars began to be produced and the diesel was made cheaper by a government who told us it was cheaper and more environmentally healthy to run these vehicles? Now diesel costs more than petrol.

I suppose that the saying "there are only two certainties in life - death and taxes", is always true. When fashions change, so do the government laws and rules to make sure they get their share of all vices as they did with cigarettes.

JWhite said:
Saturday, December 21, 2013 @ 11:38 AM

They will soon be attempting to ban this in the UK too which I think is a disgrace. This is the only way many people can give up on the real cigarettes, both my daughter and her partner have swapped to these and not only is it saving them a fortune but obviously their health has improved so they are probably saving the NHS money too but that means nothing to the tax collector. Where is the evidence that electronic cigarettes are bad for you ? I put this down to the unavailability at the moment to tax electronic cigarettes. After all, where is the ban on alcohol considering it is well known that alcohol is bad for your health or a ban on gambling but then look at the tax revenue taken in from these vices ?

In the UK gambling advertising has been increased 1000% on TV and nothing is done to stop that, I wonder why even though it is driving people into poverty ? Perhaps it is because the government takes a slice in tax on all gambling and there is no will to stop this revenue from flowing in. The same will apply no doubt to electric cars if they become popular (which is unlikely at the moment due to the initial outlay) but if people swap then electricity prices will go even higher to get the government's slice when they move away from petrol. Remember when diesel cars began to be produced and the diesel was made cheaper by a government who told us it was cheaper and more environmentally healthy to run these vehicles? Now diesel costs more than petrol.

I suppose that the saying "there are only two certainties in life - death and taxes", is always true. When fashions change, so do the government laws and rules to make sure they get their share of all vices as they did with cigarettes.

JWhite said:
Saturday, December 21, 2013 @ 11:38 AM

They will soon be attempting to ban this in the UK too which I think is a disgrace. This is the only way many people can give up on the real cigarettes, both my daughter and her partner have swapped to these and not only is it saving them a fortune but obviously their health has improved so they are probably saving the NHS money too but that means nothing to the tax collector. Where is the evidence that electronic cigarettes are bad for you ? I put this down to the unavailability at the moment to tax electronic cigarettes. After all, where is the ban on alcohol considering it is well known that alcohol is bad for your health or a ban on gambling but then look at the tax revenue taken in from these vices ?

In the UK gambling advertising has been increased 1000% on TV and nothing is done to stop that, I wonder why even though it is driving people into poverty ? Perhaps it is because the government takes a slice in tax on all gambling and there is no will to stop this revenue from flowing in. The same will apply no doubt to electric cars if they become popular (which is unlikely at the moment due to the initial outlay) but if people swap then electricity prices will go even higher to get the government's slice when they move away from petrol. Remember when diesel cars began to be produced and the diesel was made cheaper by a government who told us it was cheaper and more environmentally healthy to run these vehicles? Now diesel costs more than petrol.

I suppose that the saying "there are only two certainties in life - death and taxes", is always true. When fashions change, so do the government laws and rules to make sure they get their share of all vices as they did with cigarettes.

JWhite said:
Saturday, December 21, 2013 @ 11:39 AM

Sorry for the duplication, there was something wrong with the link and it didn't seem to be posting the message, or so I thought !

SteveVale said:
Saturday, December 21, 2013 @ 1:40 PM

This makes me so MAD!!
Just one of the many attractions that get people to try e-cigs is that they can be used anywhere. Anything that promotes the use of e-cigs amongst existing smokers should be done. It's already been proven that millions of people have died and millions more will die from smoking tobacco, so why try and deter the use of a very viable alternative?
There is now research that proves e-cigs are perfectly safe, not just for the user but also anyone in their vicinity.
The Only Thing Wrong with e-cigs is their damn name if they had been called nicotine vaporisers they would be being hailed as the greatest life saver of the 21st century.

If you want links to the research I'll be happy to provide them.

Regards
Steve Vale.

PS I was a very heavy smoker and have not had one cigarette since Nov 2012, Only Because I use an e-cig

Derek Robinson said:
Sunday, December 22, 2013 @ 11:57 AM

I think its a great idea to ban them. If you want to quit smoking use a patch to give you the hit of nicotine without all the other unknown substances added to e-cigarettes. There is no proof they are safe as no one knows what is actually added to them, look hope long it took for the results of tobacco to be proven8 and there are still people who dispute that!!). E-cigarettes perpetuate the same lifestyle that smokers had with "normal" cigarettes so it makes it harder to give up rather than change your lifestyle. Look at how much nicer it is now to sit in a café or bar and not have to have stale smoke drift over past you or look at the filth of the ashtray on the tables and butts thrown all over the floor. If you want to smoke that's a choice you make just do not impose it on others who do not wish to inhale either your stale smoke or your stale "vapour" containing god knows what.

Derek Robinson said:
Sunday, December 22, 2013 @ 11:58 AM

I think its a great idea to ban them. If you want to quit smoking use a patch to give you the hit of nicotine without all the other unknown substances added to e-cigarettes. There is no proof they are safe as no one knows what is actually added to them, look hope long it took for the results of tobacco to be proven8 and there are still people who dispute that!!). E-cigarettes perpetuate the same lifestyle that smokers had with "normal" cigarettes so it makes it harder to give up rather than change your lifestyle. Look at how much nicer it is now to sit in a café or bar and not have to have stale smoke drift over past you or look at the filth of the ashtray on the tables and butts thrown all over the floor. If you want to smoke that's a choice you make just do not impose it on others who do not wish to inhale either your stale smoke or your stale "vapour" containing god knows what.

Derek Robinson said:
Sunday, December 22, 2013 @ 11:58 AM

I think its a great idea to ban them. If you want to quit smoking use a patch to give you the hit of nicotine without all the other unknown substances added to e-cigarettes. There is no proof they are safe as no one knows what is actually added to them, look hope long it took for the results of tobacco to be proven8 and there are still people who dispute that!!). E-cigarettes perpetuate the same lifestyle that smokers had with "normal" cigarettes so it makes it harder to give up rather than change your lifestyle. Look at how much nicer it is now to sit in a café or bar and not have to have stale smoke drift over past you or look at the filth of the ashtray on the tables and butts thrown all over the floor. If you want to smoke that's a choice you make just do not impose it on others who do not wish to inhale either your stale smoke or your stale "vapour" containing god knows what.

Derek Robinson said:
Sunday, December 22, 2013 @ 11:59 AM

I think its a great idea to ban them. If you want to quit smoking use a patch to give you the hit of nicotine without all the other unknown substances added to e-cigarettes. There is no proof they are safe as no one knows what is actually added to them, look hope long it took for the results of tobacco to be proven8 and there are still people who dispute that!!). E-cigarettes perpetuate the same lifestyle that smokers had with "normal" cigarettes so it makes it harder to give up rather than change your lifestyle. Look at how much nicer it is now to sit in a café or bar and not have to have stale smoke drift over past you or look at the filth of the ashtray on the tables and butts thrown all over the floor. If you want to smoke that's a choice you make just do not impose it on others who do not wish to inhale either your stale smoke or your stale "vapour" containing god knows what.

SteveVale said:
Sunday, December 22, 2013 @ 3:16 PM

Well done ,Well done, spoken like a true non-smoker, possibly even an ex-smoker the thought police will be proud of you.
Whilst I can agree in part with the ban on Smoking TOBACCO in confined public places this is an argument that is done, finished, over. You won!
But ill-informed prejudices should not be carried into this arena, there is research into the affects of using vaporisers both on the actual user and those in proximity to one being used.
To sum it up, there are No Adverse physical effects to anyone.
As to, we don’t know what’s in them, read the packaging it’s all on there.
I see that you would allow our nicotine hit via patches I’m guessing you may also allow the use of gum’s and sprays. During the 50 years that I smoked I tried everything, most more than once with no success.

I do not wish to change my lifestyle, I do not kill people or steal, so as I am not interfering with them why should anybody think they have a right to dictate what I do.
Even E-Cigarettes don’t work for everyone wanting to give up tobacco but they still have the potential to save hundreds of thousands of lives

manilvajl said:
Sunday, December 22, 2013 @ 4:09 PM

It is too early In the use of these products to declare them safe. Therefore let's have the ban now in public places and when proven safe lift it.

It took years to prove the dangerous effects of tobacco products, solvents, asbestos and some household product paints, polishes etc.

manilvajl said:
Sunday, December 22, 2013 @ 4:10 PM

It is too early In the use of these products to declare them safe. Therefore let's have the ban now in public places and when proven safe lift it.

It took years to prove the dangerous effects of tobacco products, solvents, asbestos and some household product paints, polishes etc.

JWhite said:
Sunday, December 22, 2013 @ 4:22 PM

Spoken by someone who obviously has no "addictions". People who smoked would have loved to give up smoking but could not and this affords them the opportunity to do so. Apart from the obvious benefit of improving their health, we also have the obvious improvement in the atmosphere around them improving other people's health and together with the financial saving to be made, I cannot see why someone would wish to see these people banned from using these e cigarettes in public places. Speaking as someone who has allergies, I had to stop using public places because cigarette smoke caused me great distress - sneezing and eyes watering constantly, I always felt after a couple of hours like someone with a heavy cold. Now I do not suffer from the use of e cigarettes so can see the immediate advantage to allowing people to have these if they find comfort from them. Add to that the benefit of not having your clothes smell of nicotine and the decorations around you yellowing from people who visited you and smoked and the stench of nicotine on mine and their clothes, I can only see the bright side of e-cigs - sorry !

manilvajl said:
Sunday, December 22, 2013 @ 4:53 PM

How wrong you are, I smoke a few cigars but only outside even in my own home and never around my grandchildren, I do have addictions but they do not effect other people.

Members of my own family smoke, but I find many smokers totally selfish in the way they impose their wishes above the people around them.

With the right help those that wish to stop smoking or drinking can. The problem is the wish to stop has to be greater than 100%.

JWhite said:
Sunday, December 22, 2013 @ 5:23 PM

You make no allowances for the reason people smoke in the first place, like you probably don't make allowances for the reasons people drink too. Alcoholics very often would love to quit and in very many cases people die without ever doing so, not through choice I would add. People's lives are rarely as straight forward as people would like to think, and the problems people have that contribute to them smoking or drinking cannot be simplified. I would never dream of making light of people's addictions and their ability to quit. Life is never that simple.

manilvajl said:
Sunday, December 22, 2013 @ 5:56 PM

no hay punto de contestarle ya que siempre tendrá una respuesta de humo y espejos

SteveVale said:
Sunday, December 22, 2013 @ 7:24 PM

“It took years to prove the dangerous effects of tobacco products, solvents, asbestos and some household product paints, polishes etc.”

Historically this is of course true but it the 21st century and in an environment where everything is suspect, you can rest assured there are laboratories trying to prove that e-cigs are killers.

The 1st amongst these are Johnson& Johnson who stand to lose millions because they are supplying the ineffectual patches to the NHS and as they can’t find the scientific proof they just buy off the EU commissioners to get e-cigs regulated away.

JWhite said:
Monday, December 23, 2013 @ 11:13 AM

THAT is the crux of the matter and the reason for the anti-ecigs brigade in government and the pharmacuetical industry in the first place - it is all down to MONEY ! Money being lost in the way of drop in product sales and revenue and that is it in a nutshell. That is why until there is concrete proof that e-cigs are injurous to people's health, I would not support making e-cigs illegal in public places, you are just playing into the hands of people who want to control what we spend our money on.

manilvajl said:
Wednesday, December 25, 2013 @ 4:43 PM

The reason for a possible ban is very simple. Many ecigs contain nicotine, whilst the nicotine burn is not coming from the end of the device it's the exhaled breath contains nicotine residues which are harmful.

A drop in revenue and a reduction in cancer care costs sounds good to me.