OVP - The Truth

Bit more info,

OK, I think I have figured out the Oceanview/SBS planned endgame, as I just couldnt figure out what they are playing at, but I just had an interesting chat with Richard Goodwin the administrators, he said they are planning to go to court shortly to STOP being the administrators and instead put Oceanview/SBS into liquidation as one of the two Spanish developers they were chasing has gone bust and they believe the other will shortly as well, meaning there will be no one left for them to target.

So I assume the stalling tactics at Oceanview/SBS over this mythincal/mystical unnamed thrid party buyer is so that in a month or two when everything in Spain is liquidated they can say, 'oh dear, isnt that awfull, we were tyring so hard to get all your money back, but now the Spanish developer is bust there is nothing we can do' 'Its not our fault' etc etc etc.

They cant name who this refund scheme 'buyer' is as if they do when it all gets liquidated in a month or two questions will be asked, so they continue to dodge the questions and stall stall stall

Which in my mind explains a lot, as in my posts below I gave up really expecting an money back from this lot a long time ago, as for me their standard spin lost its lustre years ago!!

Now I am just hopeful that the lenghty processes already started by the numerous authorities will not allow the guys involved to be able to walk away  with a 'whiter than white' 'oh dear, oops, we were just honest agents' BS

thats my tuppence worth, do not expect anything from these guys! and get ready for the 'oops there was nothing we can do approach' its coming soon ...............................................

Glad to see some sense being posted on here for a change.

Finally now can everyone wake up and realise OVP or anyone to do with that company have zero intention of refunding your money and are simply stalling for time. 

Contact Staffordshire police now and write to your MP to do the same.  You might be surprised at how much they can do for you.  Our major strength is in numbers here - if enough people report a crime they will fast track this investigation to the Serious Fraud Office.  My solicitor has aleady been in touch with them.

I recommend you report the names of all those people you have spoken to / been involved with.  Including the Ocean View franchise owners who think they can skip off happily into the sunset with their commission payments and 'oh Ocean View sold me a pack of lies too' line.  They all knew the score - this development stunk from the minute it was advertised.

OVP have done everything they can to muddy the water and make any criminal investigation difficult - don't be put off by this.  There are plenty of international fraud convictions with lesser amounts than the ones involved here every year.  With enough people making a complaint we are very likely to see a result. 

TrickyVick - are you for real?

Wake UP - you never had any chance of getting this money back.. from day 1. 

Unbelievable.  It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.  And to blame the investors for this mess rather than the people at OVP!  So you were going to get a refund from a private investor who would buy back contracts on a piece of land which doesn't belong to you in the first place... 

Hilarious! 

As I said to you before, you obviously haven't engaged with a solicitor for some actual truths about the operations of OVP & other companies involved, otherwise you would know how daft your comments are.

Further to this, why don't you PM me and I'll let you know a few things you are depressingly ignorant of.

It is quite clear that the postings under the name of Trickyvick are being  made by the company whose name we dare not

speak.

When they are in the dock being sentenced [ Don,t anyone be under any illusions, they have stolen our money] it is evident

that they will still not be able to admit what they have done, blaming the investors for not getting an independent

lawyer[last posting] or for stirring up all this trouble on the internet/forums resulting in OVP going bust and so on and so

on.

Their motto is lie ,keep lying and when you are caught with your fingers in the till  don't tell the truth, and you've guessed it,

still keep lying. And let us be fair to them they are good at it  [Until the penny drops, although they have again calculated 

that if they put that moment off for as long as possible it is to their undeniable advantage]  It is human nature to keep

hoping for the best and with SBS they can still keep people hanging on , keep them dangling, keep some hope alive.

Take away hope and people do all sorts of "funny", scary things and OVP are rightly wary of this. That is why they will

always try to keep some contact even if it is through Tricky Vicky and her/his beloved SBS. Remember it is good to talk but

thats all it is.

My contract clearly states that OVP will hold my monies and not pass it to the developer.They are safe secure and fully protected in a client account until a bank guarantee is in place.

They know that if the money is not returned they are going to jail. They are trying to buy time but time is now running out. Anyone involved from solicitors to OVP employees will be investigated and will surely find themselves behind bars.

One thing we have found is that many people's contract are actually different - so mine says the money will be held in an account in my own name only if I pay it to the solicitors.  It might be worth double checking the small print on yours.

Ultimately the contract report was written in such a way that it was very difficult to tell paying it to OVP wasn't safe.  We all expected our solicitor at the time to highlight this danger and unfortunately it appears they did not do this.

Good to see some good point sbeing put forward.

FACT OR FICTION

In regard to SBS why would anyone trust what SJ or BP would tell us. SJ was/is still will be a loyal employee of OVP. Who do you think is paying his wages or is he so loyal he is doing this voluntarily. Maybe our deposits is paying his wages.

From what I can see if this company had any interity they would have give us our money back. They thought they could borrow our deposit money invest elsewhere in other developement land and give us our moneyback or a more likely event we would have been put on the developement merry go round. One thing they did not factor on is the credit crunch which stops them getting credit from banks stops people from buying foereign property therefore the need to hold our money as security and play for time hoping credit lines will free up.

If you look at this company and I will not go into details in case it would disrupt any police proceedings but the company stink. Look at Gardens of Manilva forum owners with many problems, smaller apartment ,no shower or second bathroom. Furniture packs overpriced by E10000 the list goes on. Rent not paid to owners with finished properties. Believe me there is much more.

I would also urge people to put pressure on the agents/introducers who sold them properties to form group meetings not individual meetings but group meetings to decide the best way forward with legal proceedings  and police investigation etc. There is more strength in numbers and it would reduce legal bills.

Hi Rory2

We hear what you are saying and agree with a lot of it.

We do need some good points putting forward on this forum we don't need slanging matches.  There are always pessimists in this world but most of us investing in this were optimists at the time and unfortunately we have all been caught up or taken in but we have to make the best of what we have and if we all pull together and give each other tips and advice we may make some good come out of our troubled world that we all find ourselves in through OVP.

One question I would like to ask you Rory2 are you meaning the agents/introducers could help us, I doubt it I would think that they made sure they got some of their money back and they should be equally investigated cos they sure enough were very involved and must have known something of what was going on.  We know our agent/introducer bought two properties on EBCC bet they haven't got them now though, bet they found a way round getting out of the contract.  If there is an agent out there that is in the same position as us then we would welcome your thoughts on helping us, none of us have enough money left to keep employing solicitors.

Anyway folks please let us all get together on this and try and help each other and no more slanging matches.

Jojan

I would also like to see the INDEPENDENT!!!!!!! financial advisers who recommended ocean view to many people investigated along with anyone who worked for ocean view.

Hi Jojan.

I believe that some agents will be able to and some may not want to help.

As regards to agents getting their money out or selling on property I believe but can't be sure that most of them or in the same mess as us. However I do feel as they were our initial point of contact they could be doing a lot more in helping their clients. I also think it is very hard to advise anybody the best way out of this mess or who to take legal action against. What I mean is do you sue OVP, the directors of OVP,the developer, the solicitors or the agents. This will all cost money and think it  would take a good independent solicitor(also good honest solictor not just looking for a big pay check) to see what is the best chance of getting the money back.

The last thing which I would like to do is throw more money in legal costs lose or win the case and still not get my money back. Maybe this is part of the OVP ploy. However if people come together costs would come down.

Also any civil action would have to wait until after criminal proceedings and you could be looking 3 to 4 years for this.

I think the best thing is to keep the pressure on police and media so this gets the attention it deserves. I also think there is a lot of people out ther who would benefit from group meetings whichgive them the support and strength to take this all the way. Alot of people are like rabbits caught in the headlights of car

Hi all

Dont blame all the ex-employees as several have tried in the past to assist as much as possible and were slagged off so much that they seem to have disappeared from the forum. I PM'd a couple (going back a yr or so maybe) and was given details of an independent solicitor who had helped several other investors. After having my fingers burned by OVP I was more cautious and therefore did the necessary checks and even spoke to some of the investors he had managed to help. Unfortunately after listening to my case he couldnt help but I was told that it very much depended on individual circumstances as each case and contract in some cases was totally different. The lawyers OVP had recommended as independent were not and this was one of the avenues he went down as they are/were insured. Not sure if thats still a possibility?

As for ole Tricky Dick.... most definately a (current) OVP employee. Anyone who blames the liquidation of a company with the turnover of OVP on us poor sods who believed all the lies and slick banter etc is a) one of them b) stupid or c) having a great laugh at our expense!

I have contacted the Police and have to put my trust in them now as I believe you all should.

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Best wishes

Laura

Hi all

There are several facts:

1) Colin Thomas is the owner of the OVP companies and took substantial sums from the group (perhaps correctly?).This should be looked at:

2) Bob Parkes was the director approving the recent accounts:

3) I am not aware the others were ever any more than employees. However, they may have had misleading job titles and may be heavily involved;

4) Punta Perla in the Domincan Rupublic does not seem to have progressed much more than EBCC. Same "developer" as EBCC, I believe;

5)A separate company seems to have been set up to market Morroco. Why not use OVP?  Poor reputation perhaps and therefore cannot get away with it anymore? Similar promises to EBCC. 5* development, superb facilities, rental guarantee etc.  Same developer involved as well I believe.

6) As well as substantial deposits having been taken on EBCC and Punta Perla (type in Singing Pig Punta Perla to google to read up on this) deposits may now also have been taken on Morocco. The sums involved must be staggering!

7)  It seems that the theme was the same with many of the developments - 5*, great facilites etc. which are far far from the eventual result as can be seen from the posings on EOS.

8) Refund schemes keep being delayed and stories of odd "buy back" schemes mentioned??

So only the police will stand a chance of getting to the bottom of this.  Apart from possibly some agents, I would say that they have probably been very used and spun a load of lies to as well.  What better way to get to potential customers but to spin the potential agents the same nonsense then let them do their selling unaware of the fact that they were being used as well. Would you really be able to get peolpe to willingly take part in any thing that was anything other than genuine? I find it hard to believe myself that the francisees/agents in the main would do. Who would want to risk prison? It takes a special kind of person to be able to sleep at night know they have as good as stolen from people - criminals I think they are called.

I like the theory that the money was used in part to fund land purchases elsewhere. If that is the case maybe there is some asset to seize and sell. However, what a huge problem to resolve.

Keep the pressure on via reporting the matter to the police. Their are too many different stories being told to people and lies peddled.  I do hope people report them and ensure the matter is fully investigated.  Also, look at other angles. If the solicitor you used did not do a good enough job I am afraid that is another angle to look at. Money needs to be recovered somehow, even if it is not the way it should be refunded - from the "client account" !!

I do wonder if the key people are still around if they are involved in wrong doings?

I am not sure if I am adding anything to this matter but I will re-iterate points made before - get your matter reported to the police even if you end up getting a refund via the refund scheme. If it happens you can than inform them of this fact as well. If not, then at least the scale of the matter will help put pressure on the police to help investigate OVP.  I hope they have taken this on to investiage already. The cannot ruin lives and get away with it.

Joey  

I agree this is organised theft by any other name. The so called UK lawyers they put us on to, have now also gone bust, the Spanish lawyers we then used were at best useless, (we are looking in to their part) and i think also worked in favour of OVP.  Obviously the developers were all part of  the scam. We have to fight for justice in what ever way possible, but we are dealing with such a bunch of shameless crooks, i have no doubt they will try everything to be one step ahead by use of well paid lawyers on their behalf. I think it's highly unlikely we will get justice from OVP in the form of returned monies, but at least if enough of us give all details to the police, justice might be served on those responsible for so many lies and the deception of decent people. As for the employees, i don't how much of a part they played?. I think many were indeed lied to also.

Laura

as for the trolls. They just feed on misery, and as you say, either are 'part of' or no better than those we are up against. If nothing else, they continue to highlight just how 'wrong' they are. What a sad way to get your kicks.

The people who placed £1,000 as a deposit for the Tafedna Bay Resort (with a moneyback option) who have now requested their money back I have not seen a bean?

They were told that they would recieve it all back plus 8% interest in January 09 by OVP sorry UNICO now?

If they have'nt paid £1,000 back what hope do we have in getting 70K, 100k back  NONE 

The only way forward is for everyone to make an official complaint to Staff's Police on : 0300 1234455

Once everyone has done this we can then arrange a meeting with only the people who have made an official complaint so we don't have some Tricky Vicky's turning up?

We can then discuss how best to get our monies back & disrupt ongoing promotions, advertisements for proposed developments.

WE HAVE ALL SEEN RECENTLY HOW PEOPLE ARE TREATED IF SUSPECTED OF FRAUDULANT ACTIVITIES, EVEN IF THEY ARE ABROAD SEIZING ASSETS, PRIVATE ONE'S TOO? 

SOMEBODY WILL BRAKE SOON & START TALKING BECAUSE THEY WILL HAVE A LOT TO LOOSE. THEY HAVE ALREADY STARTED TALKING?

You will need to give them all your details, amount invested, address, telephone number etc. They will then give you a crime reference number and pass your details onto the Economic Crime unit who will in turn be passing these details to the Serious Fraud Office in London. With OVP now going into liquidation (not voluntary administration) and with the previous history of people going missing ? The Police will be forced to act sooner rather than later.

I contacted Staffs police nearly 2 weeks ago and was promised a call back but have not heard anything as yet. I do have a crime referance number though

jjm

I would guess this matter has overwhelmed them somewhat. At least you have a crime no. Don't let this put anyone off.  They are no doubt very busy.

Staffs police said to me they are collating all complaints and providing crime reference nos.  The investigation will then be dealt with by Fraud Squad in London.  Staffs police said do not worry if you don't hear anything for a while (well, I have been waiting 5 years all told, so I guess another few weeks/months won't make much difference -EXCEPT for mortgage payments of course!!). This is going to be a lengthy and time consuming investigation.

Blossom

I got the same reply.This will indeed take a long while to sort out. Just how many have been conned, i shudder to think?  I think they are indeed criminals, and should be dealt with in that way. As for seeing them behind bars YES everytime, why ever not?.  It's what any common thief deserves, and any personal assets of their's and  their associates, sold and shared betwween those cheated. Until that happens justice won't have ever really have been done.