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24 Mar 2009 11:27 AM by jtms Star rating. 15 forum posts Send private message

24 Mar 2009 11:27 AM by jtms Star rating. 15 forum posts Send private message

24 Mar 2009 11:28 AM by jtms Star rating. 15 forum posts Send private message

24 Mar 2009 11:28 AM by jtms Star rating. 15 forum posts Send private message

24 Mar 2009 11:30 AM by jtms Star rating. 15 forum posts Send private message

Sorry about that but I couldn't post a link until I made 10 posts!!!! How silly is that?

From the be legal.com forum. Has anyone used these people? 

http://www.marbella-lawyers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88&page=2




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25 Mar 2009 7:24 PM by jojan Star rating. 200 forum posts Send private message

Hi Folks

Sorry to have to report to those of you who may not already know, but on 9 March 2009 an application was put to the High Court to appoint a liquidator for OVP so it looks like all has gone down the pan, so to speak.  We are running out of ideas on which way to turn now.

Jojan




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25 Mar 2009 8:49 PM by jtms Star rating. 15 forum posts Send private message

That was always going to happen after administration.

I believe that those people with formal letters (or via their solicitors) stating ovp will refund the deposits in stages are now creditors. Those letters will be legally binding. Maybe we will get a few pounds back???? I will be glad when I can forget about all this and get back to living the rest of my life.




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26 Mar 2009 7:33 AM by jojan Star rating. 200 forum posts Send private message

jtms

Yes we are creditors but on reading Martin Lewis's web site last night we can only expect a few pence in the pound back if that!  Personally we will try and get on with our lives once this is all over but we have fewer years left to recover than a lot of other people so we are not best chuffed about the situation.  I suppose those 'investors' who were only in it to make money from renting will be a bit gutted but no doubt they have lots of other property that when this recession eventually ends then they will be back in the running to make money on what investment they already have altough I do appreciate that not mater what money you lose it is still a big loss, but our dreams have been completely shattered, I know we initially thought of ourselves as being 'investors' for a couple of years but then we were hoping we could actually retire out there, not so now.

As far as OVP are concerned this whole set up, which unfortunately we did not spot, had to come to an end at some stage and hopefully they will suffer the consequences appropriately but for those in our situation we have all had to work very hard to get where we are and now that little 'nest egg' has been shattered.  Wonder how a bird feels when their eggs are stolen from their nest!  That is a funny thought really that came in to my mind as I am typing.

Ah well let's once again hope we will get something at the end of the day.

Jojan




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26 Mar 2009 8:14 AM by jtms Star rating. 15 forum posts Send private message

jojan

Of course I'm sympathetic. Many of us are in the sh1t. I have since lost my job and I remorgaged to buy too. All those years of paying off the mortgage early are wasted!  But what can you do? Kill yourself? Life has to go on. Life is for living. Try not to feel bitter and twisted as it will put you in an early grave. Much worse things can happen and do. It's difficult to accept, but we have to.

If there is some way of getting my money back fine. But I refuse to lose sleep over it anymore. I'm sure we will get some justice at least from the Police investigation.




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26 Mar 2009 5:43 PM by Laynie Star rating. 3 forum posts Send private message

Hi Everyone,

I have just been reading the latest on O.V.P.from you all, like everyone else,our losses are being strongly felt.I have made a statement to the Police with names and dates,and hope that this enough for them to investigate the whole sorry story. and

that justice will prevail, on the matter. We will all have too wait and see what happens,although I think we can all kiss goodbye

too our money for sure.

 




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26 Mar 2009 6:38 PM by joey123 Star rating. 70 forum posts Send private message

For those who instructed an OVP recommended solicitor for the purchase please PM me with details. There might be hope. Who did you instruct. People need to consider group action with shared costs and hopefully some compensation - money back, costs (?) and interest (?).Please get in touch even if it goes nowhere at least we can maybe have another option.

OVP have taken us for mugs - we all know that!  Possibly, our money should never have been given to them in the circumstances as this can cause issues later down the line with claiming against the developer as per the earlier post. Any competent lawer working in our interests you would hope would at least pointed this risk out so we could have made an informed choice on proceeding .

Let's see if our solicitors messed up. If they did not then fine, at least we know,  I am not making any assumptions or allegations but would like to get a group together to find out legally if we were in any way not looked after correctly. It will be more economic and powerful and within our reach in numbers. Enquiries I have initially made look interesting.

All solicotors are insured if they mess-up so this gives us an option although it will be a fight. We just have to find out if they did and work as a group.

I look forward to hearing from you and all PM's will be treated with the upmost confidentiality and discretion.

Joey

 

 


 



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27 Mar 2009 10:27 AM by chalkstorm Star rating. 3 forum posts Send private message

Guys

I know everyone has a different story - but I've got confirmation that Sungolf/unico (through my Spanish solicitor) has my money - so for me, OVP are no longer relevant (other than being incompentant idiots)

Intersting about the FSA.  I want to pursue a complaint against my IFA at the time - who is seems had directors linked with OVP.... but that is another story.

 

 




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27 Mar 2009 10:40 AM by joey123 Star rating. 70 forum posts Send private message

I have heard this too. However, is it sufficient evidence to take to a Spanish Court?




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27 Mar 2009 2:53 PM by rory2 Star rating. 14 forum posts Send private message

Hi Chalkstorm

I read with interest your remarks. I am glad for you if this is true, however be careful of solicitors looking to make money off you. From what I have read here and my own research it seems each solicitor gives a different answer. Look at jpms post recently regarding sueing the developer. I think it is hard to get good advice with some people going down the route of sueing the developer and others being advised to sue the conveyancing solicitor.

Does anyone know of an english based solicitor with dual spanish/english authority who would look at the case and state the best way forward.

In regard to OVP no longer being relevant make sure you still report them to the police. Lastly if OVP wanted to get everybody of their back would they not show proof of the money going to the developer. I know I would if I was an innocent party, however from replies from solicitors, OVP have never been fourth coming on this. 

 




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27 Mar 2009 3:20 PM by joey123 Star rating. 70 forum posts Send private message

Hi Rory2

I hope you're well Rory.   To answer your question re dual qualified lawyers, I do and have advised you of this already...as I said in my post I have made initial enquiries. Ok, so they could be lining their pockets re sugestions of suing solicitors but Marbella Laywer makes a relevant post re suing the developer. I am 99.9% sure there will be insufficient evidence of the deposit money going to the developer, if there is any evidence at all sufficient to support a case.  

Wouldn't you need signed contracts as well to claim against the developer as well as proof of money transferred. Of couse maybe the correspondence with the developer might be sufficent to prove the link to him (whoops, If forgot there isn't any - just some correspondence with a good as bust company).    I can imagine people's day in court (in 2, 3,4 or 5 years time??) -. so you have no correspondence with developer, no signed contract contract and no proof of the transfer direct to the developer.   Good luck suing the developer. I have ruled this option out currently.  

I'm afraid the suposed developer has been quite canny.  I have heard he has previously denied receipts of monies.  I am not a laywer, just a layman, I am sure the lawyers representing those with proof of money transferred can enlighten you as to my misunderstandings on how it really does work in practice and your chances of success in suing the developer.

I really hope I am way of the mark and am talking nonsence and that there is really a good chance of suing the developer. I mean no offence to anyone. Also, I don't mean to poke fun at this matter, but I really cannot see any way of successfully suing the developer with the limited information there is.

Rory, please get in touch privatey as well as others and lets get some action going for the last chance saloon which I have outlined in my post. In fact please others get in touch so we can consider the other avenue open.

Regards

Joey




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27 Mar 2009 4:02 PM by Curly Chris Star rating. 4 forum posts Send private message

Yes it is believed that Sungolf/UNICO have our money & who has buisness interests in UNICO? Yes you guessed right the various directors of OVP.

The appointed liquidator is now fully aware of the situation as is companies house reference OVP liquidation & people being directly involved in other companies?

An MEP is aware of the situation & is going to persue the missing money in Spain?

A camera crew will also be turning up at various people's address in the near future?

There has also been a big response from people contacting Staffordshire Police so this issue is not going to go away. 




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27 Mar 2009 4:17 PM by joey123 Star rating. 70 forum posts Send private message

I agree, it is believed that they have the money, but to prove it will take a SFO investigation. Court action will be pointless against the developer unless their is substantive evidence. How do you prove all this? Guess work and speculation, however likely it is to be correct, is gueswork and speculation. it is possible to get a common connection (we think) with at least 3 large developments with no build and shed loads of money involved. But how will even that help? 

Should we be watching Homes from Hell then Curly C? Good to hear of all of this is going on.

Anyone want a chance of some money back? Read my posts and get in touch with me. It is your best hope apart from any eventual work done by the Police.

 




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27 Mar 2009 4:29 PM by goodstich44 Star rating in northampton. 1648 forum posts Send private message

joey

you are sadly right. And backed up by a UK conveyancing company and Spanish lawyers who also lied through their teeth.




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27 Mar 2009 5:48 PM by rory2 Star rating. 14 forum posts Send private message

Hi All including OVP if they are watching

Please read this. Surely Spain needs to clean up its act regarding money laundering etc. I have sent a copy of this to the police. Some heat may come from the ECC.

OVP no longer will we take your shit you may have won the battle thus far but we will win the war. There will be group meetings held around the UK and no longer will we be separated or talked to individually. The internet will help us stop you trading and the developer.

OVP and Developer if we do not see any money by April all hell will break loose. You have been given enough time and if you are sincere you will return money.

 

The Police cree that part of the embezzled from Marbella is invested in the Caribbean
According to a report of the fight against money laundering, Carlos Sanchez and his business partners have millionaires in the Dominican Republic
Antonio Rubio

Madrid .-Operation Malaya, which began last March with 28 detainees, has not yet finished.Now police are trying to know where the hundreds of millions of euros that got some of the main accused by the judge Miguel Angel Torres-Juan Antonio Roca, Olive Thomas, Carlos Sanchez, Andres Lietor and others-have been invested and where.The ICU (Central Intelligence Unit of the Police) and SEPBLAC (Executive Service of the Commission on Prevention of Money Laundering) have concluded that some of that money may already be in the Dominican Republic.
The police has prepared a report, which has had access to the world, dated September 15, 2006, which incorporates several companies linked to Carlos Sanchez, a teacher and partner of Juan Antonio Roca, and Andres Lietor 'van to carry out a major development project in Punta Perla (Dominican Republic). Specifically some 8,000 homes will be built until the end of 2009. Those companies are: Sungolf Real Estate Development, Ocean View Properties, Tropical Paradise and Manager of the Sea tourism.
In the same police document indicated that "some of the previous companies are also carrying out a development project of 395 houses in Estepona (Malaga). And specifically: "Speaking in this case Hallard Investiments Limited, a Gibraltar company owned by Ocean View Properties, as a marketing promotion."
The SEPBLAC, which agency is responsible for combating money laundering and which is composed of policemen, civil guards, inspectors of Finance and the Bank of Spain, has complemented the police report on the accused in Operation Malaya with another much more comprehensive , With five annexes, which analyzes companies, shareholders, percentages and capital movement. The report has also had access this newspaper.
The police investigations, judicial and SEPBLAC brought to Gibraltar as one of tax havens used by the accused in Operation Malaya to put their profits outside our country. Another of the conclusions he has reached that the police is an important part of the capital invested in the Dominican Republic has had to come to this country in cash, and suggest, as a collaborator necessary, perfectly organized an airlift between Spain and Caribbean islands.
Last July, before Carlos Sanchez was arrested and jailed by judge Miguel Angel Torres, the world found the teacher and godfather Juan Antonio Roca in Santo Domingo. Carlos Sanchez, who weighed on the location of an order by Judge Torres admitted to this newspaper that was conducting a series of investments in that Caribbean country along with Andres Lietor, his partner: 'Here I have houses, hotels and real estate businesses' .
Sanchez also confirmed that another of the accused in Operation Malaya, businessman Thomas Olivo, was making investments in the Dominican Republic. Rafael Gomez, better known in environments Cordoban by sandokan, also was another of the accused in the Malaya operation that had intentions to invest in the Caribbean island.
The Shield, a partner and conseguidor Carlos Sanchez in the Dominican Republic is Miguel Vargas Maldonado, former secretary of State for Works. Vargas Maldonado is postulated as the next candidate for president in elections in 2008 by the Dominican Revolutionary Party (PRD).
And the development project at Punta Perla, where 8,000 houses will be built, is funded and promoted by a number of societies where SEPBLAC has detected the presence of Carlos Sanchez, Andres Lietor and others.
In Tropical Paradise, a major investor of the project, with a capital of $ 90 million Dominicans (weights), since April 2005 listed companies and investors as CCF Investments, Greco Development Corporation, CCF21 Real Estate, Rivoire Carret and Spanish, Oncedisa, Andres Lietor, Carlos Sanchez and Ignacio Coronado.
All these listed companies with a 19.99% stake and are controlled, directly or indirectly, by the master Juan Antonio Roca and his partner Andrew Lietor. At present, Carlos Sanchez and Lietor prisoners are in jail Alhaurin de la Torre (Malaga) on the orders of Judge Miguel Angel Torres, who charged a crime of bribery and misappropriation of public funds.
It is the fact that society Oncedisa, as contained in the report SEPBLAC, has its head office in Bangkok, particularly in the Finca El Rio. In that farmhouse where he was held in December 2004, a game of poker with an amount of three million euros and where gestó denunciation against Juan Antonio Roca, a former adviser Urbana Marbella, and some of its partners .
The organizer of that poker game was precisely Carlos Sanchez, and attended Juan Antonio Roca, the wife of Sanchez, Rafael Gomez (sandokan), Francisco J. Pozuelo, the owner of an airline and travel agent and father-in-law of an important businessman and banker Spanish, among others. One of the players who was in line felt cheated and delató the police business irregular Rock.
Another of the shareholders involved in the project is Dominican Punta Perla Ignacio Coronado, with a 0.01% stake. Coronado is reported in Spain by the Inland Revenue for tax fraud amounting to 284,171 euros. At the beginning of last June, had not yet been submitted to testify because he was outside our country.
There is an annotation in Annex III of the report SEPBLAC, which appears under the title "information about others involved in the operation, which clearly mark the route that has followed most of the money that has come to the Dominican Republic.
Eslabón necessary
The SEPBLAC indicates that the company 'Punta Perla Caribbean Ltd. forwards more than U.S. $ 11,000,000 in Tropical Paradise ". Tropical Paradise is controlled directly by Carlos Sanchez and his Spanish partners. In the same report stresses that "this company has offices in Sean Ronald Woodhall (director).
And from that moment, Sean Woodhall appears and becomes the report SEPBLAC the necessary link between investors and Spanish projects Dominicans. The document puts Woodhall at Berkeley Property Investiments and as a beneficiary of the funds remitted by Sungolf Real Estate Development (another of the companies participating in the project at Punta Perla).
Members of the fight against money laundering in Spain set over and over again on their investigations and Sean Woodhall suggest that "with this name contains a person in the Central Register of Companies and has had positions in several Spanish companies. And also reflect a note last July: 'It collects information on a construction project in Punta Cana Punta conducted by Golf, Marina and Spa valued at $ 2.5 billion [$ 2,500 million] to be conducted Tropical Paradise by [company controlled by Carlos Sanchez]. At the reception hosted by this company to announce the project attended, among others, Sean Woodhall (president of WWD) and Leonel Fernández (president of Dominican Republic).
Officials SEPBLAC also put Sean Woodhall at Ocean View Properties of that society and say: 'It was announced as a company that specializes in investing in properties that are bought to rent them later. They offer real estate on the Costa del Sol and in the Dominican Republic. " Finally, the police report recalls that society Ocean View Properties, which contains Sean Ronald Woodhall, is responsible for marketing the promotion of 395 homes in Estepona.
The judge Miguel Angel Torres, the police have investigated and made possible the operation Malaya and agents SEPBLAC are already closer to the money they could take some of the defendants in this case.

The statues of minister
Miguel Vargas Maldonado, former secretary of State for Works of the Dominican Republic (equivalent to minister in Spain), frequently visited our country and his partner, Carlos Sanchez. In October 2004 Vargas Maldonado landfall again in Spain and was entertaining, so splendid, by Carlos Sanchez with a set of sculptures and statues whose value amounted to 46534.55 euros.
These gifts of Carlos Sanchez Vargas Maldonado were charged to the company JEASA.
The bill that order, which is held by the world, contained a pair of orange marble columns of 210 centimeters (9.648,88 euro), a dip of 200 centimeters long white (5.745,06 euro), A man practicing golf green brass (3.113,52 euros) and a pair of marble lions orange (7.861,88 euro), among others, as well as various sculptures in brass, bronze, marble and stone.
The bill, as the owner of JEASA, was never paid by Carlos Sanchez, nor Vargas Maldonado: "The case is reported, but we must remember that whoever makes the task is Carlos Sanchez."
The weekly digital Dominican 'Key' last day 12 revealed that Vargas and Sanchez shared an airplane Cessna 560 XL and a boat type schooner.
The 'Santa Fe', named after the sailboat tribute to the people in Granada where he was born Sanchez, is all wood and is 24 metres.



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30 Mar 2009 3:42 PM by jtms Star rating. 15 forum posts Send private message

Anyone know how to get the private message working? I have received messages that I can't read. It says I must give a valid reason for using it first. I did this a week ago but without sucess???? Maybe I upset the mod?




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