INSOLVENCY MEETING 5/6/09 - DISCUSSION THREAD

EBCC/ OVP fatigue has set in - I suppose there is nothing to say much now.  I hope there is much going on by the SFO / Staff Police - good luck all

I assume everyone involved has had the recent report on OVP's liquidation?

Hi all,  I agree with Joey, dont let the b..........ds get away with this.     We must lobby the police and also GT.    What do they mean we arent creditors just because one document lacks one signature,  thats rubbish.    They took our money.    I have spoken to Holly at GT.    She said that we are still all down as creditors at the moment, and that when they get the monies in they will then look at everyone individually to assess whether they are creditors.    I have a written proof that I was told the money would be kept in a secure account in this country and told her so, so I will be pushing to be kept as a creditor.

Joey ........cheer up, dont give up you have kept us all going so far, perhaps we should now go to the press.    Trouble is I dont want to be identified as it might not be good for my job.      Whoever goes to them will have to be interviewed.    But this would be a huge story for one of the papers.

34 million pounds plus taken by fraud!!!   its huge.     Whos up for it., I would be happy to back them up with information etc, but just dont want my name in lights.      Ang

Hi Ang

I'm only at Phase 2 with this - there are many more Phases!  I will not be giving up. even if I become an inceasing lone voice!

Cheers

Joey123

so where are you all now?  Any one out there? Any momentum left? please direct it at Staffordshire Police, the SFO, Interpol, MPs, SOCA, the lot - lets find out the truth and get these people brought to account. I'm all for looking into whether solicitors were negligent, but let's punish the perpertrators of this scam.

COME ON EVERYONE - let;'s re-open the forum debates. Ok, let us know your progress on the above so as to keep spirits up - I need a lift. I want to hear this is being investigate properly. An annual report from GT is not enough, especially as we are not creditors anyway on EBCC and G of M so they may not even bother to write to use any more as they do not need to (in their view! - not that I agree with it).

Hello Joey123

You are right.  There are many things we could do and collectively we would have a strong voice and potentially significant influence.

However, with the sheer volumes of people (investors) involved (indeed our strength), as you know, this is a difficult job to manage and lead and this is an issue.

To make things happen we need to have a clear understanding of our objective and how we seek to deliver.  Some may feel/believe there is in reality nothing more that can be done.

So all the great points you make about contacting the SFO, MP's etc needs to be explored and then co-ordinated.  Who do we speak to, what is our message, what do we want them to do? etc etc.  These messages need to be stripped of all emotional 'feeling hard done by' and 'retribution' etc, otherwise we risk losing the message and support from on high.

We need some leaders to support the sterling work you have undertaken in the past.  A leader or two per development (GoM, EB&CC etc).  Once we have these AND a desire expressed by everybody involved (investors) for the action to run, these people should correspond/meet to agree a clear agenda/action plan to re-ignite this matter.

So in summary, is there anybody still out there that continues to believe there is more that can be done?

Best regards

D

Hi Dave

In the first instance this is where we are at:

case with SFO's baristers for consideration (since Aug 2010)
* reports from people that have lost money have been filtered to them for over 2.5 years
* call the SFO case referral Baristers on 020 7239 7272 and ask what is happening re the EBCC/OVP/Sungolf investigation.

Don;t call Andy Spears - lHe is waiting on them

It is all hanging on the above. DI Spears has done what he can. It would be good to get 100s of calls to them to make them fully understand the shear scale of the wrong doing.

What we need to get is the boys in blue at the SFO to spearhead an international investigation with recovery of misapporriated assets under the powers they have under the Proceeds of Crime Act. WIth the ultimate aim of getting the OVP men locked up as they nicked my (our) money.

Looking foward to some more responses from others, DF.

Cheers

Joey123

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joey

if you study the report issued by grant thornton they are have had discussions with various authoritys and they are looking to recover various moneys from the principals of ocean view

They would not embark on this activity if these moneys they felt were from the proceeds of  crime.

They also state that " this document contradicts the representations made to us by sungolf" ie miranda  lied and was trying to decieve the liquidator. 

Why    because if it shown that we are creditors of sungolf and not ocean view then we have direct action against sungolf which i and some others with a lawyer in spain have already started .

Foolishly and for the first time i did not use a lawyer  when i purchased If i did i would be joining the action against the lawyer and ultimately there insurer

I know i am a long journey but the more i read about miranda the more  i am horrified but the more i take heart because he has a considerable asset in the carribean 

With the other affected mislead and potentially de frauded investors in punta perla and morocco i know we will succeed.

Dear PI

Of course I have read the report (carefully). The view of GT is one thing.  The facts are another (proving them also is tricky).

1) We know that OVP was bled for money using funds from investors in various ways..I'm not going over the same stuff again;

2) GT are undertaking civil procedures as part of a liquidation, not criminal proceedings.  You cannot do either if there are no grounds to do so. So if GT have establised grounds there is wrong doing, in their opinion, as stated.  The same arguments may in the end be used in a criminal case. The Poiice can use the Proceeds or Crime Act to seize property (assets) if they can prove they derived from the proceeds of crime. A crime may well have been committed, which in my case is or OVP to spend or otherwise dispose / let go of my money when they clearly knew they had agreed no to do so.

My solicitor did do as much as to insist that no funds would be transferred to Sungolf until the Building Licence on EBCC was granted, which it never was. The whole of the deposit money should be available for refund, but it is not.The weakness was the remidy available if we had to litigate for the return of the money in so much as a private company is not under the same strict rules as say a solicitor would be if money was held in a client account so more chance of them nicking it. In any event  my money is missing from OVP and therefore stolen. 

 If anyone has this money they have "the proceeds of crime" hence my point. If it is now a house or a car or boat (they have been purchased using the "proceeds of crime". To date, not proven, but the material facts are there - but maybe not in writing. It was a clever, but hopefully not clever enough.

4) Another avenue for action is welcome. But it does not change the facts.

Finally, PI, we are all fighting the same fight, so let;s ensure we win this, as I am sure we will! 

Joey123

Joey

I do not understand why you do not take legal action against your solicitor it would be the easiest route for you to be financially compensated from the insurance that they would have .All this energy and over 1500 posts on forums you would have got your money back by know.If you need a solicitor i have one who specialises sueing negligent solicitors .She would love your case .Gt have also mentioned 2 solicitors .Happy days .Wish i had used one.You will be able to get on with your life.If you need some help email me on pi 505050 at gmail dot com   

Hi Joey and anyone else looking in,!!     Just to let you know that Ihave phoned the Serious Fraud Office today.   I agree we all need to be doing that regularly.   Spoke to someone ( didnt give a name) explained client of OVP, lost a lot of money, and wanted to know where they were in their investigation, she asked me why I was phoning now  (which seemed a strange question!)  Said I hadnt heard from them for over a year and wondered where they were.     She couldnt answer that now, she had to consult with the operations team but took my details and will get back to me.  

Either they have abandoned it , or it has gone from their attention , or it is so secret an operation she couldnt tell me about it.   My fear is they have abandoned it.    PLEASE  everyone else start phoning too.    Just think of certain people enjoying life  at our expense out there somewhere.    I agree with Joey they need to realise the scale of this operation and just how many people have lost  money .   

Please submit any information to the SFO here.

https://report.sfo.gov.uk/providing-information-to-the-sfo.aspx

POSITIVE ACTION.

Looking for a focus and to make a positive start to the New Year?

Get a statement written up for Staffs Police , Get down on a word document all what has happened to you in relation to this case . Times dates who you met from OVP, what they said what they promised and particularly the fact that you handed the money over to them believing it was going to be held by OVP in a client account [as indicated in most peoples contracts] and was certainly not going to be used to fund a lavish lifestyle for the directors  of OVP. In effect therefore they have stolen your money. When you gave them the money you believed that it was a deposit to be held in this country for the purpose of buying a property in Spain and would not be released until a building licence had been applied for. Get in all down and get it sent off electronically to the appropriate e mail address at Staffs Police, A call to Staffs Police will confirm the e mail address.Keep a copy of this statement as it can be sent to all interested parties such as your MP, solicitor etc in the future.

Difficult to ignore and this "statement" can then be readily converted to an appropriate Section 9 statement for court.

Remember this is theft. We are creditors[ GT you are talking bullshit], we gave the money as a deposit which was to remain with OVP until the granting of a building licence and was  not be used for any other reason, got it!