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hi there
Just found this site, fantastic , someone else to talk to about the never ending saga of Don Juan. We first bought off plan in 2003 ( Block 2) and this has been some wait. I read from all you reports that hopefully april could be the final date? Any update yet?
Can anyone tell us what the proceedure is prior to and after snagging ?
Wanda & Eddie
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Hi Wanda & Eddie
Welcome to EOS and in particular the Don Juan community! There is a thread on snagging (near the bottom of the list of topics). Getting access to carry out snagging prior to completion is not always possible but Spanish law makes provsion for a snagging survey to be carried out within 2 weeks of completion.
Although there will be snags that are obvious many of us have opted to go for a professional report as it may pick up on things we would miss and it will also carry more weight with the developer.
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David
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Hi Davmunster
Two weeks before completion does not seem like much time for the developer to get his act together and fix any snagging faults we may have. We also need to include not only our own individual apartments, but also the pools, roads, fencing, street lighting, communal block lighting, the exterior of the blocks including the roofs, especially after the storm damage. I believe we are also entitled to a certificate to cover us for the next 10 years for any major structual problems similar to the NHBC policy in the UK. Has anyone had anymore feedback since on getting a group snag. We may need to start getting this in place soon, as any company that is willing to give us a good group rate, is not going to be able to do dozens of apartments and external areas at a drop of a hat, as they will obviously already have other jobs booked previously. I am travelling out there from the 15th to the 23rd of April, I will try to get a few more photos, and any further info while out there. Would love to meet up with any other members who are out there at the same time, just send me a private messagge, or through this post.
Westport
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Hi All,
I have just been in contact with Philip Nott regarding snagging, he e -mailed to check if we required his companies services. (All contact info below)I have told him we are out visiting the property 1-10 April so will contact him on our return as we will have a better idea of completion date's.
I'm not sure if we will get a better deal than the below original quote he gave a few months ago,if anyone has any other companies they are thinking of using then we should start to try and get a group deal going !!
Also the deal is for the apartment not the complex !!!!!! We are probably talking serious money to start checking roof's etc.
Cheers Steve and Sam.
Thank you for your email with the relevant information, we can now give you a firm quotation on what the cost to you would be for us to carry out a Inspection "Snagging" Report" :
Base Charge 300 Euros
Additional sq -
Terraces -
Sub Total 300 Euros
IVA (16%) 48 Euros
Total 348 Euros
Once the Inspection "Snagging" Report has been completed we will email a copy if it to yourself. The written report, together with digital photographs will be sent onto the promoter/developer who will then pass it onto the builder for the "snags" to be fixed. A copy of the report would also be sent to your solicitors so that everybody is informed.
With regards to carrying out multiple Snag Lists in the sample complex, we would be happy to offer a 10% discount over them all.
Philip Nott - A.C.I.O.B
Project Manager - Technical Architect
Mobil: +34 659 333 180
Tel/Fax: +34 952 857 293
Web: www.propertysi.com
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Strangely the quote Phillip Nott provided to me is higher as follows:
Base Charge 350 Euros
Additional sq -
Terraces -
Travel -
Sub Total 350 Euros
IVA (16%) 56 Euros
Total 406 Euros
This was based on apartment size 80 sq. metres and terrace 24 sq. metres.
While the service provided seems to be very good, this charge is high compared to similar jobs here in Ireland - normally around €250 which is what my son was charged for an apartment in Dublin of similat size not so long ago.
My solicitor advises that snagging is done after completion and you have 15 days to get this done and notified to the developer otherwise you lose the benefit of the law in relation to getting these small defects fixed. I understand that some developers may allow snagging before completion especially if a clause in the contract specifies it, so it would be worth asking for this to see if the developer will allow it.
There is further info about rights of the buyer on Phillip Nott's website: www.propertysi.com/Defects.html
See also
The art of a successful Snag
at this link:
http://www.eyeonspain.com/spain-magazine/snagging-survey-property-spain.aspx
This message was last edited by gericom99 on 3/14/2007.
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I have been in contact with several snagging companies to see if I could work out a group deal.
I learned a lot in the process. Basically there is no big advantage for the snagger except if he can do multiple apartments on the same day. The hours are pretty much fixed; only travelling time makes the difference.
As the hand over of the keys will be on different days (we all have to go to the notary) it would be a rare coincidence if we some of us had this done on the same day. Due to the fact that you want to do the snagging asap because of the 15 day period I don't think there is a real advantage for a group deal.
The prices for snagging differ considerable. I can get them done by a Spanish company for about 190E or you can pay as much as the 350 excl. Philip Notts asks. I have spoken with Philip on several occasions. He is very knowledgeable and -most important- independent of builders and promotors. The problem with the 190E offer is that it's a Spanish builder (very large one) who may have relations with ArroHabitage.
I have seen an example report from Philip and it's very informative. However the rules just changed. Most promotors only accept snagging reports in a fixed format to be determined by them. So the client still gets the pretty report with lots of photo's but the builder gets a different one. My relation with Philip is quite good as I want to offer property management services and he could be one of my suppliers in the future. I can try to get some discount on his services, but I would need a list of people interested. You can mail me at m.poldermans@gmail.com if you're interested.
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Regarding Steve and Sam's remark 'Also the deal is for the apartment not the complex !!!!!! We are probably talking serious money to start checking roof's etc."
I for one would really like to have a snagging report for the whole project as well. Better to find the problems in advance than to discover them later. The first year we have much more rights to get things fixed than later on.
I discussed this with several snagging companies. The picture I get is that we have to decide in of our meetings to get a snagging done of the whole project. This won't be easy as not all buyers want this done and the administrator who is appointed by the promoter probably won't endorse it (at least that's how it normally goes). What we should do is keep this board alive after completion and get as many buyers on it as possible. Maybe we can form a strong group with enough influence to get a budget for the project snagging.
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Hi Max,
Regarding snagging we are defiantly interested,as you are in Spain if you are happy to find the best deal we will leave you to look into things.
Steve and Sam.
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Hi Max
I am for you to include me in your list of clients for Philip Knott - provided he doesn't charge more than the 300€ he quoted Steve and Sam!
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David
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I'll do my best to get the best possible deal, but remember that the quote from Steve is an old one. All new quotes are at the 350 ex tax level. Please rembember to send me ian email if you want to join the group snagging. Otherwise It's hard to keep track as real names and forum nicks are sometimes quite different.
If I have enough names, I'll negotiate a final offer from Philip and mail all participants if they want to go along. This message was last edited by max! on 3/19/2007.
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For people interested in the group snagging: please mail (do not use the PM system of the board as I can't receive these) to m.poldermans@gmail.com
Please include the name you use on the board (if you have one) as well.
I replied to everyone who has contacted me so far so if you didn't get mail from me I missed your message.
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Hi Max
This is the email reply I got from Philip Nott back in February.
Thank you for your enquiry with regards to getting an Inspection "Snagging" Report done. To give you an indication of what we do, we produce a bound English/Spanish written report, highlighting all visible defects, in a concise, easy to read colour-coded format together with photographs. This is normally done with a representative from the Promoter present. 1) The built size of the properties?
Once the report has been completed on your behalf, it is then normally delivered to the Promoter who will then pass it onto the builder in order for the"snags" to be repaired. An electronic copy will be sent to yourself as well as your lawyer.
Our base charge is 350.00 euros plus IVA (16%) up to and including base area of a 100m². Additional charge of 2.00 euros for every square metre over the base area of 100m². Before we can give you a firm quotation for us to complete an Inspection "Snagging" Report on your behalf, please could you provide us with the follow information.
2) The terrace sizes?
The above charge is obviously based on an individual property and the price is related to the amount of time it takes to complete one property. When we have the above information we can formulate a complete package for you and the other owners, which will be cheaper then if carried out by the separate owners.
If you need anymore information, please visit our website, where all our services are explained. www.propertysi.com
We look forward to your reply and if you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.
Best Regards,
Philip Nott - A.C.I.O.B
Project Manager - Technical Architect
Mobil: +34 659 333 180
Tel: +34 952 900 678
Fax: +34 952 857 293
Web: www.propertysi.com
Westport
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Hi Westport,
It's correct that Philp's prices went up in 2007. He also stated that the earlier quote Steve posted was already based on a group of about eight people, so the margin to negotiate is small. However I'm making progress and I'm pretty sure that I can get him to do the job at 300E excl. taxes if the group is big enough.
So last call for action: if you want to be included sent me an email at m.poldermans@gmail.com. I will close the group deal on april 15 and let Philip make his final offer after that.
If you tried to contact me but didn't get mail back, please try again as I always confirm requesta to be on the list.
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Hi Max,
Does the list you are compiling for snagging apply only to people in Phase 1? We are in Phase 2 and wonder if we should get involved at this stage. We have been given a completion date of November 07 but we have no idea if this is a genuine date or not.
Monica and Seamus
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Hi Monica and Seamus,
The current list is just for phase 1 as it's hard to negotiate a good deal for a future event. However I won't disappear from this forum after completion and if this works out well I can do a second run when phase II is ready.
I would say that your chances on completion in november seem to be much more realistic than our dates were. The infrastructure is there, the DJ II apartments seem to be almost finished and the road problems are certainly solved by that time. This message was last edited by max! on 4/10/2007.
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Hi Everyone,
Just thought I would pose a question before we sort the snagging deal out.
If the snagging report presented by Philip is only reference the internal area's of our apartments and not external I think most of us could quite easily make our own list of any damage,cracked tiles etc.
So what we really need is someone who can chase up the builder to carry out these repairs (if their are any !) especially if like us it is a holiday home and not occupied all year.
So my thoughts are would it not make more sense to pay a fee to someone who can chase up the builder in our absence.Allowing the work to be completed hopefully hassle free ?
So Max a question for you as you are going to set up a property Managment company and will be living permanently on Don Juan .Is this a service you would offer to your neighbours and at what cost please.
I look forward to hearing everyone's thoughts on this.
Regards Steve.
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