Thinking of Buying

Hi - well and clearly put Pommers about the "outsiders". 

We had the same on Phase 1.  I also think it doesn't matter which Phase you are on  but the apartment and townhouse communities on each of those Phases all pay a great deal of money to maintain the surroundings (gardens and the pools)  and I feel quite strongly that those facilities should be for the benefit only of those that contribute to their maintenance. 

 

Sandra

 

 

We still get issues with Townhouse occupants coming into Phase 2 though. Their pools are only small and can get quite crowded so they try and us ours. They got ejected last year and it wasn't so bad.

We manage an apartment on Phase 3B right by the course and we get loads of villa owners trying to invade!

hi pommers .... no problem i agree with shutting the facalaties to outsiders as we noticed this when we rented on phase 2 ... what i was meaning to point out was imho it is not accepatble as a redident on lets say phase 1 to simply decamp to the pools on phase 4 for the day either because as you mention the pool area may be to crowded or you simply wish to make use of the childrens pool in a quieter area .

I understand the wristbands are being brought into use on Phase 3 which I think is good. Can I ask who actually monitors this and who do you report interlopers to, is it Security or is someone employed to do this?

Thanks

I understand on Phase 1 that this will be monitored by security and you will also have to product a pool use permit - those are only being issued to owners who pay their community fees.

Not sure why Phase 1 owners (like me)  would want to leg it round to Phase 4 to use their pools though?  Bit far to go back and forward to use the "facilities"!  Seriously - though - please let us do remember we are "one resort" .  

Sandra

 

 

Just a thought on the side.... When the pools are empty the skimmers do not remove as much debris from the top surface of the communal pools if the wind is above 5kms/ hr in the opposite direction to the flow.

This will lead to ear infections. The more people in the pool the more 'Top Surface Debris and flies' will be removed from the pool due to the volume flowing out through the filter flaps.

If you look back through the threads last year, ear infections were the problem in the pools that were little used.

Maybe I am wrong, but if you look at the top surface in Phase 3 and 4 and compare it to 1 and 2 there is a big difference.

I think we need at least some movement in the pools to prevent this.

Ace.

 PAL

 

Most Communities using the wristbands, Phase 1, 2 & 3 and possibly some townhouses will be employing additional security personnel from Vigilant, so an added cost for all fee paying owners but worth it to ensure debtors are not using facilities they do not contribute to.

Therefore each comunity has to pay a contribution to security personnel.

In La Torre for instance, Security patrol all pools and all fee paying owners contribute and are supportive.

My concern on Roda is one of confusion from owners in different communities as well as villa owners many of whom are unaware they are not allowed to use community pools. Could a deal not be struck whereby they also contribute thus reduces costs even more. Though many villas do have their own pools.

Already on P12 we have had a number of positive responses despite many ignoring all requests for payments previously. This is because this is the first year we have denied debtors wristbands despite using them for 2 years mainly preventing the wholescale tourism that pommers mentioned to Roda pools.

Owners seeing any pool users without bands, if your community uses them should contact Vigilant and report it rather than approach individuals themselves, Security have I believe been asked to be polite but firm in asking users without wristbands to vacate pools.

Sandra

Apparently the permits are still not available so despite summer being around the corner, it is still not possible to collect the new bands and permits and many agents will have a nightmare collecting on behalf of clients unless authorisation is given.

You are right most would not wish to visit other pools but my point was that IF the requirement was resort wide, effectively any owner paying fees could possibly be permitted to use other community pools.

The idea should be to allow all fee paying owners to enjoy the resort and not create friction between communities but deter both debtors and outside visitors.

I take on board Debbies point that Phase 4 has childrens pools and more pools per unit which makes your contribution higher BUT if all Roda pools were looked after under 1 contract it is likely the costs would be lower and Phase 4 community budget would benefit as looking after pools would be funded and used by all fee paying owners rather than just one community i.e more shared costs.

May not be everyones best option but something for discussion.

 I should add that one of the reasons for the delay in issuing permits and wristbands is down to the fact that since receiving the emails informing debtors that they would not be issued, many are suddenly appearing form the woodwork have ignored previous demands as they are now concerned their renters will not be able to use the pools, so finalizing lists is difficult.

Hi Hugh_man

Thanks for the update.  OK - we had the same issue on La Tercia - the pools and gardens (once under the remit of the individual communities)  are now are controlled and maintained by the General Community and everyone pays a contribution via their General (Entidad) community fee towards pool and garden maintenance.  This has cut down cross community argy bargy and leads to much more pleasant feeling than "them and us".    As you say policing the use of the pools is the issue.  Everyone pays proportionate contribution.

We have been informed by Resortalia that the wristbands will be issued by security to owners or their nominated agents and we have informed Resortalia of our wishes.  I am hoping that all goes smoothly. 

My question is, and it may be simplistic - are the wristbands and permits to be issued each year ? i.e. are those people who have suddenly found the cash to pay their community fees going to pay once and for all and once they have the wristbands how are matters to be handled in future years when perhaps, now in possession of wristbands for pool use, they may not be so inclined to cough up community fees?

Hugh_man - any views on this scenario?

I am also conscious that this thread has gone away somewhat from the "Thinking of Buying"  heading.  I still think it is a great place!

Sandra

Hi Sandra
I agree, we have moved somewhat off thread and Roda is still a great place to buy, especially now if you are looking for a lifestyle, not necessarily a great return. Generating income requires even more hard work as you are well aware.
However a small number of properties are changing hands, bringing new blood willing to pay their fees, which can only be a good thing.
Sounds like the set up at La Tercia is closer to what I was suggesting for Roda re payment for pools etc. we do currently have friction between fee paying owners.
You are right re owners making a one off payment to receive their bands and I have no idea what other Communities will do but on P12 we are insisting on a one off payment of either all of S1 fees or a substantial proportion if historic then committing to an agreed payment plan to pay the debt over 12 months. 

S3 fees are due soon as with Entidad fees in July so we can see who is genuine.
We will certainly re issue new bands next year if required, cost to produce is not serious but it will be due to those who do not continue agreed plans.

This message was last edited by hugh_man on 20/06/2013.

 Hi we rented on phase iv last year and are renting on phase I this year and just wanted to check out the wristband issue in Phase I as would hate to pay all the money to rent and then get evicted from the pool. Also we are looking to buy whilst over this time and wondered roughly how much the community fees are for a 3 bed apartment as cant fibd out this info anywhere,

Thanks

 

Wristbands are only being issued to owners who do not have a debt with the community.
I would advise you to check up with the owner you are renting from to make sure you will have wristbands.

The fees on a 3-bed apartment vary by Community.
As I understand it Phase 2 is about the cheapest.

On Phase 2 are currently running at a little over €1500 pa
And don't forget to add Entidad fees which are about €500 pa I think.

 

This message was last edited by pommers on 25/06/2013.

 Thanks 

 Phase IV Fees for a 3bed are approx €1800.00 pa I believe 

 Thank you 

OOPS - should have said phase 2 fees - not 3. Phase 3 is higher

And don't forget your IBI to the town hall = €450 for a 2-bed so higher for a 3-bed

 

This message was last edited by pommers on 25/06/2013.

Hi 19th hole I'm completing on a 2 bed apartment on Friday so I guess my advice would be pro purchasing on Roda golf. Things aren't perfect in Spain and the area at the moment but I don't think Spanish properties would be as low if they were. We've stayed on roda loads of time and also owned on other resorts and we personally think Roda is the best in the area.i think if you buy based on what you can see and not on the promises made by agents, paramount corvera etc. you will not be disappointed. Also if you have had the balanced view of pommers and all the associated costs covered you are going in eyes wide open. Good luck and if you decide to progress and need any info on completion ( hopefully it will go well!) etc. feel free to give me a shout

Hi Spangled, for your benefit, ensure you legal advisor lets you know the situation of any any outstanding Communitybor Entity fees or other debts linked to the property you are buying.
Once settled, contact the Community Administrator, Resortalia for Phase 3 with any questions or concerns.
Good to know new blood is indeed buying into Roda, the Community will eventually be made up of the people involved so if you can try to attend a Community AGM to find out how it all works.
There is lots going on socially as evidenced by my postings on Social golf at Roda.

For other newbies another piece of news is the launch of www.clubroda.net. In light of the developer shirking their responsibilities in not paying some fees and never running the place as a " resort ", it is an urbanisation. A local company has taken the bull by the horns and set up a privately run group concentrating on providing various activities as well as getting local providers to offer discounts etc.
It should be what many guests are looking for and website is well worth a visit

PS I am not connected.

Hi Hugh, thanks for the info the community fees are all being paid up to the date of completion and sorted as partof the process. Do you have contact details for the phase 3 admin as we want to get wrist bands and start using the facilities straight away.
Thanks

Hi Spangled

Good luck with your purchase on Friday - and welcome to the Roda Community.

Just sent you a PM about debt certificates.

Re wristbands. I'll send you another PM but essentially you will not be given your wristbands until you have registered your purchase with the administrators Resortalia.

The general email address for Resortalia is roda@resortalia.com

This message was last edited by pommers on 26/06/2013.