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Hi everyone

Has anyone heard any news from Sierra Golf. Where is the water, electricity and habitation certificates up to?

Are all the residents still in the hotels and has anyone been given a date for return?  I can't believe after all the excitement of moving in, that everyone just got moved out.  What is going on?

R

Why can somebody not answer this question for buyers

Has anybody received a response form the lawyers

Hallo all, what I and another said in my post re snagging the other day 10/10/07, I'm afraid says it all about this appalling company (MASA) My lawyer in Spain says don't hold your breath about even getting the habitation certificates, let alone utilities conections and moving in on phase/section 13, as the government inspectors won' even be doing inspections untill mid November, let alone issuing cirt's! As I said at the end of my piece "Should we ALL be just accepting this awful state of affairs?" Suggestions please! Not one reply/suggestion!!! If we individually complain/moan/post to each other MASA will not alter their totally unacceptable ways. Divide and rule! BUT, if we ALL join together and approach them, possible with a shared lawyer (Class action) as has happened on other urbanizations, including MASA's Camposol, not only will they have to sit up and take notice, {people power}, things I assure you will change!  Some of us have suffered a 2 to 3 year delay and the "cost" of the money sitting in MASA's account! I know the value of the properties have gone up, but have you noticed what's happening to the Spanish property market? For anyone intending to sell on, any projected profit is shrinking! Owners in Camposol have won considerable amounts of compensation from MASA in the courts. None of us I'm sure won't all this hassel,Not why we go to Espana! But we are where we are! And that quite simply is that of being treated with contempt,disregard and arrogance by a totally incompetent company. The solution is in OUR hands.

Angry and disgruntled of Kent

I have exchanged on my property on SG, but fortunatly am living in Camposol (45minutes away). We heard about the lack of electricty & as we planned to visit again next weekend I called the SG office, only to be told, that yes people are still in hotels & no it was unlikely that the electricity would be back on for my intended visit on the 26th October. I asked about the likelihood of the following weekend & although this is possible, the Thursday before is a bank holiday, so in my view unlikely.

I happened to be speaking to another person who has info about SG, only to be told that the electricty has been switched off & people moved out in preparartion for the council visit - they have to inspect the site prior to giving the habitacion certificates. No one should be living in SG, thus people being put in hotels.

I think for anyone planning to complete in the near future they should check with their agent before booking flights etc. to confirm the situation.

On a more positive note - things are looking really good on SG, the tarmac is down in many areas & it would seem that MASA are finished the first phase properly before moving onto the next. Once all of these teething problems are resolved I´m sure it will be a great place to live.

And anyway, it´s tipping it down here, so you´re better off where you are at the moment !!!ç

Kathy

  

 

I have just re-read the gophillip reply below. I have lived on Camposol for 2 years & am not aware of anyone receiving large amounts of compensation. Yes, there are on-going issues that must be resolved on Camposol, like many other developments in Spain & The UK. But would I move back to the UK - no thanks, I´ll stick with all the "problems" here thanks.

Hi everyone

We have not even got a date for handover yet, but I agree with Gophilip, the situation is dispicable and unbelievable, and I wonder how this can have happened to 50 families with 50 solicitors, who signed over their well earned money only to be moved out again. 

What are these 50 solicitors doing????? There would be a riot in England. Can you imagine Barrett Homes handing an estate over to all the people then turning their electric and water off and moving them to a hotel.  

We keep being told about different customs and 'manana' but we are talking about being misled here, selling you a house, taking your money, then saying it's not really yours.  

So can anyone tell us what the lawyers and solicitors are saying? I can't believe they can have let this happen. Are any of them even bothered? Perhaps they too have now been paid their commission? 

Surely not everyone is just saying it will be great when its finished? 

R

 

This message was last edited by RangSG on 10/19/2007.

This message was last edited by RangSG on 10/19/2007.

Hi

It does seem unbelievable that a company can work like this and get away with it.

I emailed G'Masa a few days ago with a list of complaints and saying I was going to contact WatchDog, but all I got back by way of reply was that they like to keep their customers happy!!!!   Incidentially this is the only time Masa have replied to my emails - before they always said I had to deal with the estate agents, who up until now have been as much use as a bucket with a hole in it.  They were supposed to give us regular updates - we only received one back in 2005 to say there was a 6 month delay.  GM seem to operate on a completely different level to any company in UK and for some reason get away with it.  A company operating like this in the UK would have gone bankrupt many years ago.

I'm supposed to be completing on 14.32 on 30th October and both GM and the estate agents, Luz del Sol, have assured me that water, electricity and Hab Cert will be in place by then, but from reading previous posts I very much doubt it.  Our solicitor is aware we won't sign without these being in place, and as we are going to be in Spain that week anyway, we won't be losing out.  We originally signed contracts in May 2004 so another fews months is neither here nor there. 

Out of interest, is anyone else on M14 due to sign shortly?  Or has already signed.

Rant over

Rosemary

When we see giood things from developers we will report them as well as issues

Today I visited the site for the first time to look for any signs of damage etc after the heavy rain and I must say that I was impressed with the general condition of the site and there were no obvious signs of water damage

There was some ground shrinkgage where the ground at the edges of the properties , due to the soaking, falls away form the edge of the property but this us easily solved ny backfilling

Looking form the outside I believe that there will be some poroblems with the damp proofing in the underbuild as, looking at the damp proof membrane that had been fitted it only seemed to cover the walls and was not be seen extending out of the front of the properties

Also you do need to take a long spirit level and check the levels in frot and roof pations and I saw lots of puddles where the rain levels did not make the water run to the drains which can craete problems on flat roofs

 

 

I am no expert but it seems to me that a major problem has been that purchasers have completed without a habitation certificate, when a refusal to do so by all purchasers would possibly (but not certainly) have concentrated the minds of MASA.
Whilst it seems that is almost normal practice in Spain to proceed without the certificate, one wonders (in ignorance) whether the Murcia authorities are now tightening up, and this has wrong footed MASA. Frustrating in the short term but arguably no bad thing long term.

With regard to joint action this may be worthwhile, but given that the issue of certificates is now outside the control of MASA one wonders what can realistically be done by those who have not completed. Bearing in mind that I would not be surprised if  a number of purchasers delayed stage payments because of the earlier delays, we would need very sound legal opinion on whether either compensation for unreasonable delays, or termination with a full refund at this late stage in the process are viable options. Is anyone qualified to offer an opinion?

It seems to me that those who have completed in in a very different position, and from a lay point of view would seem to have have strong grounds for considering joint action.

Legally you are able to refuse to complete if The Certficate of Habitation has not been issued and you only have to listen to the most recent Podcast by The Rights Group to confirm this.

The growing advise from many sources remains do not complete without a Certficate of Habitation and this can effect your insurance and ability to use and let the property and some banks will not grant mortgages

The developer is not honouring their legal requirement which, prior to the issue of The Certfiicate of Habitation being issued requires them to provide bullders supply utilities at their expense

This is not outside of the builders control as they allowed people to complete knowing that the Certificates were not avaiable and as I have already explained the granting of these in not straightforward and automatic

Once the Certificate is issued the builder can then simply state well the electricity connectins are now down to you and, in the Murcia region, it can take up to 3 months to get connected, there is no agreed service level for the supplier. This may be why they disconnected the builders supply.

As far as the lawyers are concerned chances are they were appointed via recomendations form MASA and the agents so they may not be very responsive

For more advise you could always email Mark at The Rights Group