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If the bank is already presenting the non res certificate on your behalf then I wouldn't think you'd need to do anything. They should contact you when it's due to confirm your status. You may want to check with a solicitor about that, though. We are res so it doesn't apply but we do need to carry the green card with us. I think if people are talking of 3 months for this and 5 years for that then they are confusing the new NIE and the padron. The padron only needs reconfirming every 5 years unless you are, for example, buying a car or applying for a healthcard or driving license in which case it must be dated within the last 3 months. As a non res you shouldn't be on the padron but I know that some town halls still do, especially if you get a temp healthcard. This message was last edited by mariedav on 14/01/2014.
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robertwebb it seems that not all areas work the same lol( no change there then) in andalusia, where I was there was a lot of confussion about the 3month time limit on the NIE certificate, even the notary office weren't sure if the number stayed the same when it was renewed, so that didn't help but got around the out of date cert with a bank charge reciept for a non resident cert that had the same NIE number on
semijubilada am not sure as yet if the resident cert is time limited or not as I have not got mine yet, but will be getting it in feb, as above there is a lot of confusion around it being valid for 3 moths although that is not a new idea, it was just nobody was doing it correctly ahhhh spain gotta love it :) the number is yours for life it is just the cert that runs out and the notary office I was going to told my solicitor that they would NOT aceept it if it was out of date
mariedav am not sure if it is differant in your area but when I picked up my non-resident cert my NIE number was not on it and therefore was no use to me in the process of buying our house, along with the NIE cert being over 3 months old, it was looking like i was going to have to return within a few weeks to complete the purchase, but as stated above I had a stamped document showing my NIE number and the purchase of my non reident cert, which the notary luckily accepted as proof and allowed it to be used for the signing
am sure all will become as clear as mud when we land and start to settle into the life in spain, we can't wait now most things already packed and in storage, 1 small pick up of our final posessions a couple of days before we sail, and if the removal company confirm what the said on the phone the other day then after we arrive on the tueday our stuff will be arriving on the friday the same week (fingers crossed)
so all looking good for the start of the next great adventure.........
This message was last edited by wencra on 14/01/2014.
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Irrespective of the form filling (and it's not really that drastic, it's just that people get them confused and muddle up what bit does what -hence the what is valid for how long etc) I hope you have a great life in Spain. Once it's all done and settled, I'm sure you'll really enjoy the way of life. I often wonder if I live in the same country as some of the posters on these chat sites. In 12 years, I've never even been stopped by the police for a document check let alone be stopped and fined for something I didn't do. People will tell you how cold their houses are in winter but, for some reason, do nothing about it. And it's been a low of 16 degrees this week but has hit as high as 21 on some days. We have a good heating system, thermo shield windows and have carpeted the living room. Warm as toast in our little bit. Someone mentioned UK had hit its 2% inflation rate. Same here in Spain but it was 0.2%. Go with the flow. Enjoy what Spain has to offer and all the best for the future.
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Albeit that I work at a National Police Station, I am on the crime reporting/investigation side, not the documentation side, and had not been aware of the recent changes re the NIE.
This morning I spoke to the chief of Documentation and he confirmed that now, a certificate is valid to prove the NIE, for just 3 months, although the actual reference number will always apply to that person, and that those applying for an NIE now must decide within three weeks whether they will be resident or non-resident, and must apply for the appropriate certificate.
He also said that if the applicant does not apply, either for the Non Residents Cert or register on the EU Foreign Citizens Register, they are liable to a fine of up to 600 euros.
This message was last edited by johnzx on 15/01/2014.
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A favourite on here lately seems to be "muddying the waters". Now, I don't want to do that but would the application for a non res cert only apply to newbies? Considering, like semijubilada, those who have been here for a while would have a NIE with no expiry date and would also have had non res fiscal certs presented by their banks for some time. Wouldn't it be nice if we had some sort of taxpayers funded department who could post information on this when things change. Somewhere with an up to date website spelling out the changes and what they mean to those who have had property for some time and for those taking the plunge. I don't know, it could be called something like a British Embassy or even a consulate. Unlike now where "old" advice sits alongside "new" advice and does, indeed, "muddy the waters".
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Mariedav, I understood from the Chief of the Documentation Dept whome I asked, that the NIE certificate is valid for 3 months, not the NIE registration, that lasts forever. Thus a cert which was issued many years ago is not acceptable now as it was issued over three months ago.
If one needs to prove their status they either need to show an EU Foreign Citizen’s Registration Cert or a Non-Resident Cert.
The non-residents certificate has been in existence for several years and has been required by banks to confirm the status of non-resident account customers. If there is no certificate, then the account has in the past been frozen by Hacienda. I think the Non-Resident’s Cert must be renewed every two year; banks, for a fee, often undertake to obtain the renewal cert. so some customers may not be aware of them.
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Yes, the new NIE certificate has an expiry date, the old ones don't. This new non res or res certificate is also new. Please don't confuse the certificate of non-residency submitted by the bank with the new non-res certificates as they are two different things. The ones presented by the bank aren't given to the customer. I was referring to semijubilada who won't have a non res or res certificate but has an undated NIE (undated by expiry, I mean) and fiscal certificates presented by the bank because she has had property here for sometime. If it is now a requirement for non res in Spain to carry a non res certificate around with them, I would lay odds there are thousands who are illegal. Mainly because no one has told them of this requirement. All well and good new property buyers being given this option but for those who have had property for sometime I'll bet they are in the dark about. You can apply for a non res certificate on the EX15 form at the town hall and it costs €6.98. Again, look at Abaco solicitors website and they say no one is even sure if you have to have one. Confused? You will be on the next episode of jabon......(Spanish soap).
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