Residencia Certificate encripted with Permanent Residence

Hi

Has any Expat applied for Permanent Residence to be encripted on their Green Residence Certificate . I need to know what the Procedures are to go about obtaining this new Form. I believe you can get this Form from the Foreigners Dept of your Local Police Station. You can have your Residence Formed encripted after your have been in Spain for 5 years, I believe.

Thank You

Done ours at the end of last year, wife got all the paper work toghther( as she is autonomos,) so check foriegns office web page for paper work needed, but obvious ones passport, padron, proof of income etc. Our first one was like others was for 5 years, now this new one says Permanent on it,all done and dusted (both of ours ) in 20 mins , when you get it i see on the N332 web page it is illegal to laminate Residence certificates.

Is it actually a legal requirement to obtain this new certificate if you have the old green certificate that has no expiry date?

The one  you currently have states that you are on the register of EU foreigners resident in Spain.

The Residente Permanente ones don't say you are a EU foreigner.

Now, it probably won't make any difference (we hope) when the UK leaves the EU as the EU rules state anyone (EU citizen or not) residing legally in an EU country for over 5 years should be regarded as a permanent resident in that country although non-EU residents are to obtain a card stating that.

The procedure for getting the permanente one is exactly the same as getting the original card and you simply tick the bit at the bottom under Residente Permanente marked durante cinco anos.

Sounds easy but, in this area at least, getting an appointment at a National Police station or a foreigners' office is a bit of a long wait with none available in our local area (Elche, Torrevieja, Orihuela Costa) until April at the earliest.

Bit of a belt and braces thing to get the permanent one I think.

From the EU site:
 

Towards the end of their 5th year of continuous legal residence your non-EU family members should apply for a permanent residence card in the EU country where you live.

The permanent residence card is often issued free of charge (or for the same price as identity cards for nationals). It should be valid for 10 years and is automatically renewable without any condition or requirement.

When applying for their permanent residence card, your non-EU family member must give proof that they've been living legally in the country for 5 years - for example, using a valid residence card issued 5 years ago.

The above is for non-EU citizens.

And for us EU citizens

As an EU national, you automatically acquire the right of permanent residence in another EU country if you have lived there legally for a continuous period of 5 years.  If you fulfil this requirement, you can apply for a permanent residence document, which confirms your right to live in the country where you now live permanently, without any conditions.

This is different from the registration certificate which is compulsory in many countries. The permanent residence document is not compulsory.

I suppose it could be argued we won't be EU citizens after March (maybe).

So it’s not compulsory, just another job creation scheme for Spanish bureaucrats.

When asked,  the extranjeria staff confirm that when one has been resident for five years, their status is automatically permanent.  There is no requirement to apply to up date it.

Of course one can do so if they choose.  Appointments can now only be made online.

This message was last edited by johnzx on 18/02/2019.

On the same subject, this was posted just recently. No, I wasn't at the meeting but there are some important points if UK leaves without a deal.

Update on Residence after Brexit

Nope, have no idea if any of it will happen but seems to be a few high ups who are stating our residence cards (OK, the On the Register of EU foreign nationals resident in Spain). 

I would think, though, that the very many Brits who have been living under the radar for some time should get their residency confirmed if it is possible in the time available.

It’s all speculation, if, buts and maybes. We have had to listen to all the Mystic Megs for the last 2 years. This morning on Sky TV £50 a time for a tourist visa. I doubt those under the radar really care, just carry on with the EHIC and pay tax nowhere. Then there is the new free healthcare law for anyone legal or not. When has a Brit spending his money ever been deported for non residence? Whatever the law and rules become they are likely to be pie crust blind eye. Will you need to show your passport and residence card at Carrefour check out? Spain will let in anyone with 5 bob to spend.