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hi have had someone paint my walls outside and some friends have been and told me the paint has peeled off will have to do it myself when we go next month is there anything that i shouldpaint on the walls before i paint it i dont want to pay someone else i may as well do a proper job myself
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Hi Spark....we'vehad two properties in Spain and paint on the garden walls has been a problem with both of them. It seems that when the walls are built the builders don't put in a damp proof course. Moisture in the ground soaks up the wall and brings the paint off. We've tried most paints and have decided that the garden walls will be a bit like the 4th bridge and always need painting....Will watch this space we might learn somethhing too.
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hi are there any builders that could give us a clue to this problem im sure that there is something that i can put on the concrete before i pint the walls i need to know before we go over thanks for your replies
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Had the same issue myself and the only way that you are likely to have any sort of success will be to take all the paint off and start all over again and prepare the surface of the walls correctly and make sure they are sealed properly with an adhesive - even then there is no guarantee it will stick if the render has not been mixed correctly - my builder tells me the only way I will permanently cure the current problem I have is to clad the particular wall (thankfully not the house itself) with stone - very Jack and Vera Duckworth - speaking to a few other people to get their views.
On another note I have been told to avoid thinks like Dulux paint here as it is not compatible with the way walls are constructed here - if anyone has any views on that I would like to know. Spanish paints are all water and not spirit based - apparently Dulux water based paints not compatible either.
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Guess what Justin? Me too! As you know, our building is only three years old, but we are already getting quotes in for a complete re-paint. God knows where the money's going to come from , but that's another story.
"Fruit" (love it!) basically hit the nail on the head - damp course? Never heard of it here. garden walls are especially vulnerable because they get soaked everytime the garden is watered - if anybody has read my articles, you'll know about us installing an automatic irrigation system, which had done wonders for the grass/plants. I never mentioned what it's also done to the walls.
There is something like a latex coating you can get (epoxy resin? maybe just poxy resin Smiley?! [inside joke, you have to be following another thread to get it, sorry]) to use before painting, but I don't think it will help much on outdoor walls. Perhaps we are learning here why the Spanish tend to whitewash their homes every year?
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I thought Four Seasons was a hotel management company, Smiley!!?? Am I totally out of it here??
I know our villa boundary walls here in Dubai are suffering with paint just falling off them, but I put that down to the fact that since we moved in five years ago, we had a "bore-hole" drilled (so we're not watering our lawn with municipality/treated water) and we are but a couple of hundred metres from the sea, so the water table is extremely salty - and the salt air/water obviously has an effect on that sort of thing. So maybe it's not just damp proofing, but also "how saline is the water".
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I take it Four Seasons are the "never paint again" mob? Are they the only ones offering that stuff? If so, I spoke with them at the Homes & Gardens exhibition in Malaga. Yes, they are expensive - maybe justifiable, I have no idea. But I do know they refuse to even quote for community work, because they know that communities cannot afford their prices!
Pitby, how does your garden do on brackish water? Where we live, global warming will have to melt a lot of ice caps before we get salt water attacking our walls anyway, so I don't think that's the cause of flaking paint in our case. Interesting point though.
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Roberto, our 'potable' water is fine, it's just the water from the 'water table' is extremely saline, so it does affect everything. We have grass that grows using the table water to nourish it (as you can imagine with many golf courses here!!), but residential properties here aren't built/treated the same way as in Europe so, in Europe, one would expect that walls, wherever situated, have been protected. Here, it's a different story, as they don't think long term!!
I just thought I would enter my thoughts as, obviously salt water/air does actually have an impact on property built - but been here so long that I forget they (most of the time) do it right in Europe!!!
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Hi All
Have just asked my husband this question, as he is a qualified decorator:
IF there is no DPC and the moisture is coming up from within the wall, then any paint will eventually come off.
IF the wall is powdery or chalky, it needs a coat of stabiliser first. The best to used an oil based Masonary paint, rather than water based.
Hope that helps
Tracey
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Pitby said: "Here, it's a different story, as they don't think long term!!" and "I forget they (most of the time) do it right in Europe!!!"
Am I the only one who finds it strange to see 3 year old properties advertised for sale as "completely reformed"? 30 year old properties here are often considered beyond repair or uninsurable. Long term? Here it's unusual to think beyond siesta time. If you make an afternoon appointment with someone in the morning, you're best calling to remind them after siesta. And Europe is quite a big place. "Doing it right" has vastly differing interpretations from north to south.
Call me a miserable old cynic if you like.......... I don't CARE!
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First attempt to speak on this excellent forum so unfamiliar with the process but here goes.
By coincidence I saw the thread on paint which struck a chord as I ran a small scale specialist `paint` business in Uk on and off over 22 years.
From my reasonable knowledge on this subject the problem with conventional paint and render is that water pressure from the inside of the house tends to push it off.
Its made worse by the lack of damp courses in spain and what architects call `Architectural Detail` in other words no gutters and no soffit overhang, so rain coming off the flush edge of roof tiles just soaks right into the walls.
I discovered a product in England made by an International Chemical Giant 22 years ago which is used as a paint additive and has the effect of turning the paint into a `Goretex` type raincoat, ie it keeps water out, in fact you can turn a hosepipe on it inside 20 minutes of painting it on, and better still it lets humidity and water vapour from inside, get out. I did use commercially for years and years and it was fantastic. Its not water based , its not affected by water and you can actually paint underwater with it!
After 6 months of hawking around all over Europe to try and get some, I`ve actually manged to source a supply . If anyone wants to try a small sample, free , email me and I will try and help. I intend marketing it here as WALLGiARD-excuse the unashamed plug- but genuinely it works.
Re All Seasons/Four Seasons -this company only use a textured spray coating and its Agrement Certificate( hidden on the Agrement website) appears out of date.
I guess one draws ones own conclusions as to the logic behing `busting` one company and restarting under almost exactly the same name.
Happy painting!
Appollo
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Hola Andy Harris!
Welcome to EOS, for a first time post, that was extremely helpful to all the members with "paint" problems, many thanks"
I am sure you will now be inundated with requests for your free sample!
If you update your profile, let us all know where in the UK and Spain you are based, that would be great. Also, a word of advice, I would remove your private e-mail from your post, else you can get all manner of spam e-mail or unwanted people contacting you!
If people are genuine, they wil "PM" you which is via EOS and is "vetted", then if you are happy with the contact, you can privately give them your personal e-mail address.
Good luck and we look forward to more posts from you!
Kind regards,
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I thought I was the cynic, Roberto!!
Didn't mean to be all-encompassing regarding Europe, it's just easier to refer to it that way, rather than "the west" as we hear so often here or individual places.
We're just so used to properties not being built to last (there are, mostly, no building guarantees here when you buy) - villas here are usually built to last about 20-25 years. But then when about 100,000 labourers here are paid on average about 80 GBP a month for their hard work six days a week, and during the summer months in temperatures up to 48-50°c, who realistically expects quality in their build?!
Certainly those who have been here a while don't.
Bet I could beat you on the cynicism measure!!
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Another thought may be to use color render, we have used this on our house and all that happens is if it chips the same color shows through.
it may be expensive to start with but in the long run its cheaper and you can buy many colors now and just render it onto the existing walls.
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Interesting developments on here, I avoided it for a while in case someone suggested my idea.
4 years ago I painted my house throughout and my Spanish neighbour couldn´t help but get involved. He brought round his spray gun and made me spray all walls with a 50/40/10 mixture of white watered down paint, PVA solution and cola blanca. Then he made me mix a 70/20/10 solution of the actual paint (yellow) and more PVA solution and cola blanca which I rollered on.
I have pressure washed the whole house at least 4 times since and not a blemish so far. I am pleased he interfered because I would surely have had to re-paint at least once as I noticed my neighbour s house on the other side who didn´t receive Miguel´s advice has loads of patches droping off.
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