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07 Aug 2008 7:50 PM by crafton Star rating. 9 forum posts Send private message

Hi David Hendrix. Are you related to the late, great Jimi at all. If so well done!

I was feeling a bit chippy and bored and therefore thought that I should break my silence.

I am surprised that you felt confident enough to take on old Chingo and Palomino in your post. I made a few reasoned, neutral comments and observations in the thread a little way below entitled "new member needing info about finca parcs" started by Gail and I received a vicious ( although non-reasoned) mauling. I was such a rogue that old Chingo reported me to the headmaster on 2 July, although the smack on the hand, never mind six of the best, has yet to arrive, I can only assume that the developers, having read my comments, thought that I was spot on or at least thought it a little difficult to engineer any reasonable reply which would bear scrutiny; ie silence is golden.

To be serious though, you are entirely correct in what you say with the exception that the partiy with the greatest exposure to risk is the bank not the developers.The developers are a corporate entity and can go bust any time they want.

Unless anyone wishes to submit something different, my understanding is that the developers are a  relatively small company registered in Murcia who are financed by a bank. The whole business ethos behind Finca Parcs was that the developers, although they may have put in some equity, would contract on the basis that the punters paid 10% up front and the balance on completion. The construction work is therefore largely financed by the bank and they want that cash back plus interest. That is what the bank wants and no purchaser or prospective purchaser should ever lose sight of this fact especially in the current market. The developers offer was designed basically to appear attractive to investors who only had to put 10% down and then hopefully sell -on the contract at a profit.There is absolutely nothing wrong with that at all but, as with any commercial adventure, there is risk.

The market has turned and the developers (read bank) have financed a lot of the basic infrastructure for the site and are mainly building on phase 1 and 2.  They are out of pocket for all these costs incurred to date less the cash deposits paid.They want their cash back. How do they achieve this in this market? By doing what they are doing ie trying to complete and sell phase 1 and 2. In this connection the developers are trying to persuade people who purchased on phases 3,4 and 5 to move to phases 1 and 2 with an inducment of soft financing. and perhaps getting their guarantee. So who is going to buy on phases 3, 4 and 5 if people move? I would submit very few at the prices being asked. I would also submit that it should be apparent to anyone with an open mind that the bank must have little or, indeed no interest, in financing the latter phases unless, first they have been sold, and secondly the bank considers there is a realistic prospect that the vast majority of these sales will complete.

It seems to me that this is the old trick, ie attempt to complete part of the project in order that trhe bank can recover its  present outlay and forget about the rest. The reality is that it is the bank, not the developers, that will decide what is done or not done at FP.

I also think that those who have actually purchased on phase 1 and 2 need to consider, in the cold light of day ,whether it is actually sensible fot them to complete. When I was interested, I was told that the majority of the purchasers were investors who would wish to sell-on. Most of these unfortunate people will not have the finance to complete or, if they can obtain the finance, will not want to complete for the simple reason that, in this market, they would be throwing good money after bad. Why should these people pay a lot more for a property that it is actually worth less in the current market. if you are an investor with the cash to complete it would make more sense  finacially to wave good bye to your deposit and invest your cash elsewhere.

The result of all this, as has happened many times before, is that an awful lot of the plots on phase 1 and 2 will not, in the first instance,  proceed to completion. The developers will of course then keep the deposits but the bank will then insist that these properties are put on the market and sold for the best prices which can then be obtained. Remember the bank want thier cash back plus interest. They have no concern at all ,in these times, whether the developer makes any profit or not. They have even less concern on the effect their actions will have on the people who have already purchased at FP. Result is plots which are as cheap as chips. Its the same all over Spain right now, also in the good old USA

For those who bought to live in Finca Parcs as opposed to sell on, well they will have to balance the risks. if i had bought with a view to living at Finca Parcs, I would certainly be asking the developers for some very straight answers to some very difficult questions before parting with my cash. But then again each to their own and perhaps it is easier to discuss the colour of the curtains and hope that everything will turn out all right on the day.

If anyone disagrees with my views, a reasoned response would be appeciated rather than invective. For Palominos information, I am not  a woman although I think that my wife is and she  shares my views about FP. Should I give her a thump?





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07 Aug 2008 9:01 PM by Jeff2 Star rating. 28 forum posts Send private message

Crafton,

This post was aimed at people who are purchasing on the development  - It's got absolutely nothing to do with you. What gives you the right to advise people not to complete on phases 1 and 2; an action that could sink the whole development - having negative theories is one thing but giving advice is a step too far.

A lot of people have invested a great deal of money into this development and are all perfectly aware that the current climate is difficult for all parties involved - for us it's a serious business, for you it's a game to play when you're ' feeling a bit chippy and bored'.

As I have said in an earlier post ( and this is none of your business Crafton), this deveopment stands the best chance of succeeding if we all stick to the agreements that we have signed.

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08 Aug 2008 8:08 AM by nerak3010 Star rating in Bracknell/was Finca .... 52 forum posts Send private message

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Crafton,

Maybe it's me,but so far i have thought this site has been for good updates and news on Finca Parcs, are you actually buying a villa? If not ,go and join a "grumpy old men site" and leave the rest of us alone to enjoy progress reports and photo's of our new villa's being built. THIS IS WHAT THE FORUM IS FOR.



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08 Aug 2008 6:18 PM by queenbee Star rating. 7 forum posts Send private message

i am reading this thread with some amusement.
Yes I have bought on Finca Parcs but after more than 4 years am still waiting. I realy feel like being critical but feel that I dare not!
If everyone is falling out before we move in then I wonder just how wonderful the atmosphere in "Lttle England" is going to be?
And just what has happened to El Romeral by the way?


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09 Aug 2008 12:23 PM by tenerife Star rating. 130 forum posts Send private message

El Romeral was cancelled about 4 months ago, didn't get final planning permission. (or so they say!) You might ask why Town & Country still mention it on their Finca Parcs website. Probably to help with sales of Las Higuericas, though of course they no longer actively promote it.




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09 Aug 2008 2:04 PM by Ricman Star rating in Hellin, Castilla La .... 104 forum posts Send private message

This is not exactly true, the promotion of El Romeral has been suspended while undergoing planning procedures, Cleyton Ges gave clients the opportunity to have their pre off plan deposits refunded if they wished, however others are still awaiting the outcome of the planning etc etc.  It is not unusual for projects to take four or more years to complete all of the necessary stages in planning,  and to become a LEGAL project , it has taken Las Higuericas over five years to get to the present stage !  

Luckily for all of us that are looking forward to moving into our new homes in the very near future Las Higuericas is a very small complex and seems to be progessing well now.  As we are now living nearby we are able to visit the site most days and we can assure you that there is a lot of work going on which is unusual for the month of August !  As many of you purchased when this was a pre off plan and off plan project we appreciate that you may feel as if you have been waiting forever, we are now coming to the final hurdle so hang on in there everyone.




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09 Aug 2008 5:50 PM by tenerife Star rating. 130 forum posts Send private message

I was told through Select Properties that their revised plans had been knocked back by Helín council. Do you really think that in the current climate El Romeral will be brought back to life any time soon. Finca Parcs are having enough trouble trying to sell the remainder (large) of Las Higuericas, despite the recent incentives.


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09 Aug 2008 6:15 PM by queenbee Star rating. 7 forum posts Send private message

Thank you for the peptalk Ricman.
Las Higuericas has a very stauch supporter in you!!! 
Being a nice person I will say no more as to the reasons why.
We go back to San Isidro which never got planning permission. Anyone heard of Sax and Villena which guess what - never got planning permission.
We are hanging on in there but unlike you so far our house is a concrete raft and a few pillars. It was due to  be finished September. 
Another year will pass without a conclusion for us.



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09 Aug 2008 6:47 PM by Ricman Star rating in Hellin, Castilla La .... 104 forum posts Send private message

Sorry this came across as a peptalk was'nt meant to come across that way. As we are are spending a lot of time on the site now we thought that you may all be interested in what was going on, obviously we were very much mistaken. 


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09 Aug 2008 6:47 PM by Ricman Star rating in Hellin, Castilla La .... 104 forum posts Send private message

Sorry this came across as a peptalk was'nt meant to come across that way. As we are are spending a lot of time on the site now we thought that you may all be interested in what was going on, obviously we were very much mistaken. 


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09 Aug 2008 7:48 PM by Kram Star rating. 21 forum posts Send private message

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Ricman,

Dont apologize for your postings.  Myself and my wife enjoy reading your comments.  You sometimes appear to be the only person/s on here that gives such positive thoughts.  I think its good that you are living near the project and can keep us up to date.  Please keep the postings coming?????!!!!!!!  Just a suggestion, but maybe your postings are being placed in the wrong 'thread' on this forum.  Perhaps you should start a 'Regular Updates' thread.  

Also, 'Queenbee' you may be a nice person and please dont take offence to this, but, we all know who Ricman is!!!!

Mark




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09 Aug 2008 7:55 PM by dbaile732 Star rating. 29 forum posts Send private message

 

Calm down calm down everyone, the reason we are all looking to buy our little piece of Spain is to spend time in the lovely surroundings in some weather which is slightly better than the August downpour we are experiencing now. And to get away from the increasing numbers of moaning, money grabbing, self centred folks who unfortunately seem to be becoming the norm in good old blighty, and of which our friend below seems to subscribe. Nothing better to do that get involved in debate about something which they have no interest in.  It’s sad that folks seem to think its ok to enter into a contract and then seem to think its ok to renege. I am sure it would be different if the boot was on the other foot.

For those commenting who have no current or future interest in the site please go away.

For those waiting, keep waiting, the market will turn and we have bought on a unique site in a unique area. Not some two bedroom box in Fuengirola. The cream always returns to the top!

And I don’t work for Cleyton Ges or FInca Valley. I am a purchaser on Phase four with more to loose than most, it would seem. At the moment I have a deposit on a house which I expect to be ready during the next couple of years, and remain very excited about the prospect!




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10 Aug 2008 5:30 PM by pjd8845 Star rating. 11 forum posts Send private message

Good post Crafton, in this current climate you need to explore all possibilities.
I do hope it all goes well at FP. 

Original post edited on advice.

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07 Nov 2008 10:36 PM by PWC Star rating. 13 forum posts Send private message

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