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Ruby,

I dont mean that there should be no rules, of course there should.  I never said that there should be no community either, I think you are overeacting a bit. 

Since these forums have been up I have seen numerous threads saying we cant do this or we cant do that, go back through them you will see what I mean.  I am not the only one who feels its a bit over the top.  I mean there was a thread about towels over railings, surely thats a bit much and a minor detail to worry about when there are clearly more pressing issues.  This is just one example.  I honestly could not care less if I saw a towel over a railing, it would not bother me in the slightest.  Then we had the hassle with the sky dishes, saying that people cant put them up.  Well if you look across the complex from high almost all blocks had them months ago.  Finally sense prevailed on that one

what I meant is that rather than getting pedantic over the smallest things, how about we tackle the main issues at hand.  We cant expect to get everything sorted at a community meeting once every 3 months.  You only have to read the EOS main article this week to see what happens at his communtiy meeting.  I have been to AAT 4 times since Jan and I have not seen one group acting in a detremental way to the complex or others.  All I see is people enjoying themselves.  Yet I read this forum and its the complete opposite.

The VP's and the president are doing a sterling job for us all, and I respect them fully.  There are obviously some main issues that need addressing and these must get sorted out asap so we can all move on. 

 

Jburfot.We feel that the community meeting got it right ,they had a limited budget to work in . We have rules in our family and we live within our means ,no debt,and we also have good neighbours,and others praise my kids ,because they are respectful and polite,because we have rules.

There are a few who think if they keep shouting ,they are right.
                                                                                          Love Ruby

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This message was last edited by Ruby Tuesday on 8/15/2008.

Ruby  -pm sent.

Ruby,  i think maybe you should read my posts again,  at no point have i  told others what to do,  all i have said is that i find it hard to belive that people would rather use the indoor pool when it is hot enough to use the outdoor ones, if people would rather use the indoor one  then that  is fine by me, having an opinion hardly makes me a bully does it ? As for making alterations to the outodoor pools, yes i agree with you, our pools are very nice, but it is not ideal to only be able to use them for three months of the year, and all i have done is make suggestions, that in my opinion would save the community money and allow our pools to be opened for longer without a massive cost, again these are only ideas and any such change would have to go to the vote of the community, personally i don;t care how we do it, all i want is to be able to use the facilities which i have bought into, and yes, i am extremely annoyed that when we are over in September we will not be able to use these facilities , and yes i do realise that we had a budget inflicted on us by the useless seasun and we have had to work to it and that the people in control of this have done as best they can, but i am concerend that if we leave this until march to sort out that we will have a repeat of this summers fiasco next year.  So , if having opinions and ideas make me rude and a bully, then fair enough, i will leave that for you to decide, after all like me ,you can have your opinion, you are entitled to it.




This message was last edited by andysmith on 8/15/2008.

Hi Andy ,
               So you accept that we have a budget and Monica is doing her best ,then why are you still ranting on.Monica and the community never promised you anything when you bought .
                Why are you being so anti,going on and on and then giving a back handed compliment to the Monica and her team,start doing something like they are instead of moaning.

 

This message was last edited by Ruby Tuesday on 8/15/2008.

To be fair Ruby,

I don't think Andy has inflicted any opinions on anyone. He's merely voiced them. Which is exactly what forums are all about.

You have your opinion, and we have had to read this on here, and he has his.

Let's not get personal, it doesn't help in the long term.

People's opinions are both valued and needed. How else would you suggest that we sort this situation out?

Pedro.

Quite right Pedro, constructive debate is the first step toward a solution to our current problems.

Anyone that gave serious consideration to the setting up of the community, proir to our meeting in March must have concluded that the first year was going to be a steep learning curve.

We were being handed over to an administrator chosen by the developer for their benifit and not ours.
We had no knowledge of the terms of their contract,experience or payment structure.

We were very fortunate at that meeting when Monica acceped the roll of president but I am sure that she never expected to have to deal with an outfit as careless, incompetant and unprofessional as Seasun.

Monica and the management team have found themselves carrying out the roll of administrators while Seasun sit back and get paid for doing very little. It's a difficult time for our voluntary management team and they need our support to keep the wheels turning until we can get rid of Seasun and appoint a professional set up.

I am not happy that the fenced and gated areas are being locked at anytime because for most of the year these areas  provide much more than just a facility for swimming . But we have to abide by Spanish law and find a solution that meets our needs working within those laws. These are early days for the community and I am  sure that with a little more  tolerance we will find acceptable solutions.

Any problems or  solutions are better being debated constructively on the community web site, we would then all be in a better position to cast our votes at the general meetings. 


 Malcolm 

Pool Opening hours - Sorry, I'm still confused and I need to get this right for my information pack.  Can someone confirm the following for me as I want to keep it simple.
I've pulled together the info from verathalassa website and that which Ruby kindly submitted.

Phase 1 pool it appears is open as follows:-

Monday, Wednesday, Friday       11am - 3pm   (??then 3 - 4.30)   then 5.30 - 8.30pm  - should this read:  11am - 4.30 then 5.30 - 8.30

Saturday                                          11am - 3pm   5.30-8.30pm

Sundays, Bank Holidays              11am - 3pm   (?? then 3 - 8pm)   - should this then not read:   11am - 8pm

Phase 2 pool:-

Monday, Wednesday, Friday     10 - 2pm   4.30 - 7.30

Tuesday, Saturday                       10 - 2pm,   then 3 - 4.30pm,  then 2.30 - 7.30pm??? so should this not read:   10 - 2pm    3-7.30pm

Sundays, Bank Holidays             10 - 2pm   3pm - 8.30pm


Many thanks

Kaz

having quickly scanned this thread, I must agree that the ideal situation would be for the pools to be open yera round. However, if that means high community fees then it is not going to be an option. I certainly feel that any thing we can do to alter the size of the pool so that we dont need life guards at all would be the best long term solution.  It seems mad that KM didnt take this into account when designing the pools. 

Whilst we must adhere to spainsh law, I have only ever encountered life guards in fee paying public swimming pools. Never in hotels, or appartments which have swimming facilities.  I feel the sooner we can eliminate the wastefull cost of lifeguards the better.

Hope I havent added fuel to an already raging fire- as that is not my intention.

Ruby

If you really do exist, I'm amazed that you would not want an outdoor pool open in September if only to allow your three year old child the use of a childs pool ? As things stand the grounds around the pool will be out of bounds deny'ing us the use of a suitable area to sunbathe. Would you really prefer to spend the day indoors?

My son, who also has a three year old, has decided not to go out with us in september for that very reason as that's where my grandson enjoys himself most, the childs pool.  This is a blow to us because we purchased our property expecting it to be used as a family home that could be used during the winter months. As andy has already pointed out, THIS IS SPAIN, if we wanted to swim indoors we could have purchased much closer to home at a more reasonable price. Ruby, or whoever you are, you are entitled to your opinion but don't turn on Andy who has the support of a large number of disgruntled owners.

Andy

Keep your chin up mate  

Denis

I believe that the current opening periods are perfectly appropriate, Yes its Spain but the temperature does drop, evenings get cold. Also I like swimming in the indoor pool and am looking forward to its re-opening. Anything or action that brings about an increase in what is already an overpriced community charge should be avoided, and this will be our vote in September.

I also think that reducing the size of the pool to save two salaries is a good idea.. Why not partition part of the shallow end of as an intermediate pool and thereby reducing the size of the main pool?

Hi g9lou,

I have stayed in the Vera area in hotels and other complexes for the past 20 years and I cannot agree that they do not have lifeguards.  I have found that when the pools are over the 200sqmtrs they always have lifeguards.  However in the other places that I have used the opening hours are much longer and also pools are not closed in mid-September.  Hopefully things at Thalassa will change for 2009.

David

Everyone keeps talking about the cost of the "lifeguards" when what they should be scrutinising is the cost of the contractor supplying the lifeguards!  Next year, maybe we can employ direct and cut out the bit fat slice the big fat cheese is taking off us thereby allowing more money in the pot for longer hours, unless we find a better solution to this dilemma

sunshinelad

Totally agree with you, the temperature does drop in the EVENINGS and we also enjoy swimming in the indoor pool WHEN THE WEATHER IS COOLER but you are missing jburfot's point about closing the outdoor pools in mid September when the temperature is anything but cool!

Like other's, we have paid for lifeguards over the summer months for others to enjoy (see comments on Thalassa website) and now that we are ready to take our holiday we find that the outside pools will be closed. To make matters worse it also looks extremely unlikely that the indoor pool will be ready to reopen?

Again like you, we do not want to see an increase in the community fees, nor should I imagine do those that have purchased expecting a return on their outlay through rental as expectations have not been reached judging by the amount of availability throughout the summer months. I have my doubts though that you will have an opportunity to vote on maintaining community fees at the current level in September, good luck anyway.

Denis

SuziQ

I fully agree with your comments.  Before we start chopping up our pools, erecting walls etc. with the inevitable further building work, dust, disruption and closures we should seek to get lifeguards employed without an increase in our community fees.  We should not take Seasun's budgeting as gospel that this is not possible.

Whilst, judging by their enthusiasm to dispense with a lifeguard service, many seem confident in their own apparent lifesaving techniques, I for one am not.  People seem to assume it is only children we are worried about.  What about adults who may get into difficulty?  I know I would have difficulty assisting someone who had knocked themselves out diving in, a panicking fully grown man or someone who had taken ill.  If we deliberately reduced our pool size to get around the law and something did happen think about the bad press too.  Whether legal or not I am sure the motives would be put into question.

While the lifeguards we have are often seen sunbathing (try finding one that doesn't!) I have also been reasonably impressed by our guard on the Phase 1 pool.  He is incredibly personable with the kids and takes an effort to talk to those that are by the poolside, instilling confidence in those who are a little unsure of their swimming abilities (first hand knowledge here).  If we are serious about having a good quality, impressive complex of which we are proud we should demand the services we would expect if we were hiring somewhere for a holiday ourselves (i.e. pools open all day April - October and lifeguards).  I do not rent out but intend to use our place for regular holidays myself and I know that is what we would expect if we went anywhere else.

Plan A should surely be to get a serious, professionally run admin company who sees that as the only option too.

All
I also agree that suzi has made some very good points, however how do you suggest we solve the immediate problem in a couple of weeks time, especially if the indoor pool (which I would only use as a last resort as I want to be outside) is not ready to reopen? Are you suggesting that it's just bad luck to those owners that have paid their community fees all summer long and now they are ready to take their holiday find the facilities unavailable? surely not. The lifeguards should be kept on regardless of the price in fairness to all at least until the indoor pool is ready.


Why are we debating this subject on this website when I thought it was generally agreed, with due concern for those that are renting out their properties, that contentious subjects would be discussed on the Thalassa website? 

Denis

Denis
We are one of the people who will be holidaying in September so it affects us too.  No - not suggesting we do nothing, however the reality is that nothing will be sorted in two weeks anyway nor will a wall be built in a day.  As I can see it we have little choice but to look long term and either all have to accept the current arrangements, accept a deficit in the community pot or cough up.
Apologies if comments were misinterpreted.  Still looking forward to the sunshine and will revert back to the Thalassa website now.

Re twowasps, comment,,, re official Thalassa site. I and I Know of others, still can not access the Thalassa site. I keep re registering and fail to get the return Email to activate my Address. I get Email informing me that it has been re sent but nothing. (and it is not going to my spam folder)

Seasun say it is nothing to do with them I must contact the web manager, but do not tell me his  Email. Any ideas.?

Sent you PM

David

Following complaints received I can confirm that Ruby Tuesday and Kenshaz share the same IP address, which means they are probably the same person.

Justin