PW's Health....A slight worry......?

Its perfectly clear any naming and shaming should only relate to anyone who hasnt even attempted to provide their details and obviously anyone who has tried and been unsuccessful will have kept funds to one side to cover backdated CC's anyway. Its mostly down to RPM/PW as far as I can see and I expect an before an AGM  this would be  cleared up so wrong names wouldnt emerge in out in public. But, I do think that people should pay their dues and that there will be people who havent even tried to provide their details to RPM. Its a bit like those people who have built monstrosities attached to their apartments RPM dont seem to have done anything too much about that either.

However on the point of A Gil- we didnt have a clue about who he was, where he came from or even that there was to be an attempt to over throw RPM- we've got neighbours who still think PW manage everything- so I think people were perfectly within their rights to query who was this company 'someone' was trying to foist on us. What evidence was available that showed A Gil was any better than what we have or better than any other company that could have been suggested. For all we know the A.Gil arrangement could have been less than legit!

A major problen here is that only a 'few' seem to know whats going on and all the cloak and dagger stuff doesnt breed confidence.

But, as ever, I digress- havent seen anything  new about Polaris's situation today.

 TQM

 the people that brought antonio gil  to the forefront  were false, they were just trying to cause a stir,(they certainly did that)

but like everything else on this once friendly and informative forum, one or two people who cant see past their noses jump on the bandwagon and start talking a right load of rubbish,

never mind going to vote for someone who has a 2 bit child like website,and no confirmation from whom they are, or where they come from beats me,

yes, RPM have made mistakes and will probably continue to do so,but at least they were put in place legally, and will have to be removed in the same way?

someone stated that other contractors are putting in tenders??? whats that all about, i think the gardeners, pool cleaners, litter collectors, refuse collectors all do a good job,  they have done when ive been there, please tell me if im wrong,

its RPM that dont collect the money not the bloody grass cutter,

bring on ALI G

Who were the "False" people who appointed Antonio Gill? My understanding was that they were appointed my the level 1 presidents?

I agree that the grass cutters, refuse collectors etc do a good job, but if we can renegiotiate their contracts or appoint new contactors and receive the same level of service for a lower cost I am in favour.

 darren,

ask any level 1 president, see what the reply is??????

ali g is no one,

Hi,

I saw this thread some days ago and thought about it and when I have come back it seems to have been distracted onto payment of CC.

Bringing it back on track....their are two main camps of thought...one saying PW will go under and another saying PW will survive. I have to say both are right and the MAIN point of this is that we have almost nothing to do with the outcome either way.

I also have to say that the infighting is all just hot air between us all; who invested in CDA. The only way "I Believe" this can and probably should be righted is to have a Owners assciation to which WE are in control of and we have a spanish lawyer, a person who could possibly be involved some how with the council etc. etc.

In this way the aim would be to lobby, force and help to protect OUR investment.

What ever happens in the future; PW control or not, it stil will be out of our control. We will have no control about what developments or not will be made on CDA. If we were able to join forces and be as ONE we probably could have a strong case for any future proposalls and dare I say it if we could raise finance ourselves; to take over some parts of it. (I know this is going to be very contentious and I will probably be lynched in the streets for even suggesting this but, if we want to have a proper say in our environment...this is A way)

I also can appreciate that we have presidents and different levels etc but I do think this is all very remote from action and comunication that we all deserve and require.

I run a small business in the UK and so my time is taken by this but If I was out there I would want to drive this forward as much as I could.

SO

am I alone on this or do YOU think WE could do better!

Neil

I asked RPM about claims they are poor at collecting the CC and for information about overdue community fee payments, this is what they said - I'm sure our president's will keep us informed re. arrears or we could always call in at RPM and check it out,

Thank you very much for your email and also to let us know about your
concern. Regarding your query, please do not believe everything on the
Eye on Spain, many times are only rumors.

RPM collects the fees as soon as we are notified that there are a new
neighbour in the community but remmember that it is your duty as new
member contact us as administrator as well.

Sorry but I can not send you by email the information you have
requested, if you want it please visit our offices and we will show it
without any problem. In any case, this information is managed and
controlled by all the presidents.

Regards,
 
blanked out,
Resort Property Management s.l
 
 

Hi,

This sounds like buck passsing to me, as some of our presidents don't live on site so  how are they supposed to keep tabs on who moves in and when. As a logical thinking woman I would have thought that PW should be the ones to be advising RPM of new completions and certainly not our VOLUNTARY presidents?

I'm only telling you what they said - Maybe one of the Presidents' reading this will enlighten us on the division of responsibility between RPM/The President ?

 tell you what jeb love this sentence, now that i do believe,

Thank you very much for your email and also to let us know about your 
concern. Regarding your query, please do not believe everything on the 
Eye on Spain, many times are only rumors.(or bullsh!t)

cheers 

Ali and Simon

I thought to be a President you had to be a full time resident?

If so there is really no excuse for the Presidents not to have their fingers on the pulse in their own Jardin.

Paul

jeb321,

I'm more than happy to share any facts I have, but first could you tell me what "the information you requested" was?

Phil

I don't think the presidents should be expected to patrol their jardine noting who the owners are for the purposes of community charge collection.  They are there to represent the owners and take their concerns to whatever 3rd party is appropriate.  They should however, if asked, be making requests to the management company to get the community charge payments sorted out.

I don't know if there are e-mail addresses for the presidents to make it easier for people to raise issues.  I would expect it's better for them if they are contacted about an issue directly so they can then raise it at future meetings.  And if a number of people from different jardines are raising the same issues then at least they will know it is something people are genuinely worried about.

SMV,

All the presidents have email addresses in the cdagr.eu domain.  These addresses take the format ;-

Pres.Jx@cdagr.eu  for the Jardines, where x is the Jardine number.  So for Jardine 1 it's Pres.J1@cdagr.eu, for Jardine 2 it's Pres.J2@cdagr.eu etc

and

Pres.Nx@cdagr.eu for Naranjos, , where x is the Jardine number.  So for Jardine 1 it's Pres.N1@cdagr.eu, for Jardine 2 it's Pres.N2@cdagr.eu etc

Phil

PTAN, funnily enough I asked if they could provide information on what the value of arrears was for Condado de Alhama (not any individual info, garden by garden) - you can bet your bottom $ any arrears will eventually have to be made up by the law abiding citizens as the services etc will have to be paid - if there is a problem re. arrears we need to know about and nip it in the bud early on as it's not something you's want to get out of hand. It would be interesting to know if PW  (maybe now the Banks) are making the payments on the vacant properties they own. I can see it would be the Presidents' responsibility to provide info to owners on the status of arrears but I would expect RPM as the management co. to chase them via their legal representatives,

 In the last message you say the  banks are liable have they now taken control of polaris or is it still in discustion as we have not heard anything here.

regards nick 

fareham hants and naranjos 8

Thanks jeb321, it's Phil by the way .

Right then.

1.  Any owner can stand as a president, you do not have to be a resident. Although being one would be an advantage.  I have spend £100s in flights etc to attend meetings, but then I'm happy to do so,  any excuse for a weekend in the sun. Some of the other presidents are also non-resident and travel to attend.

2. By law new owners are obliged to inform the community secretary ( RPM in this case ) they are the new property owner.  In practise you would normally sign authority when you completed for Polaris to do this, but in the case of a resale it would be down to the new owner.

3. The banks have not taken control of Polaris World.  Polaris are still in talks, as soon as they release an official statement to the community I'll post it.

4. It is the responsibility of the administration company (RPM) to collect and chase up

fees.  Dispite what they might say, they are clearly failing on this point.  There are many cases such as cindy's below where they have been repeatly informed of onwers details but have still not taken the fee.  I have an owner in my garden who ownered for 6 months plus before they made initial contact with him.  Okay so this could of been down to PW not passing on thier details, but I somehow doubt it.

6. It is not the responsability of the presidents to chase fees.  In fact RPM refused to give any of the presidents the owners contact details.  Only after months of complaining did they agree to inform owners of my contact details, even then they did not send them to all owners.

7. RPM constantly refuse to supply budget information to the presidents.  Over the months I have heard every excuse in the book for not suppling information.  "It's illegal to tell you that", "We don't understand your question", "You don't need to know that", "We can only tell you information for your garden", "The presidents keep asking for different data"  I've heard every excuss in the book,  or they just ignore you and don't reply.

8. We have not yet received an accurate set of accounts.  In the November presidents meeting they supplied the six month garden accounts.  these were immediately shown to contain errors.  An updated set were send out a couple of weeks later, but these too contained errors and did not contain sufficient data to enable them to be checked.

9. The presidents have requested a full audit of the accounts.

10. In the January meeting RPM could still not supply an accurate set of accounts.  An estimate was given, but these still did not add up, We have twice requested the corrected figures and have not received a reply

11.  The banks are paying the community fees for the properties they own.

12. Polaris have paid the community fees up to September.  We believe that they sold further properties to the banks in October but RPM have not as yet supplied this data.  In a meeting with PW on the 10th they stated that the fees would be paid in full.

Anything else I can answer, just ask.

Phil ( Pres.N1@cdagr.eu )

cheers Phil, I do not envy you your job as President - now you've really got me worried about the competency of RPM !

Hi Folks,

I really dont think you should blame our presidents, especially when they are giving up there own time and finances to help us all out.   RPM have now confirmed to the majority of us that they are totally inadequate for the job in hand and now is the time to make changes.

Hi Phil,

Keep up the good work, some of us appreciate it

Ali

RPM's days are numbered.  Thier year is up in May, contact your president for details.

Phil

was number quoted earlier in this thread of 125k euro arrears in CC correct ?

Mind you if RPM can't produce accounts who knows what it is - and more worryingly, for those of us that are paying, how do we know they can actually record that fact accurately (that we are paying) - we don't get a receipt or acknowledgement or anything like that, all we have as evidence is the DD set up via the bank making the payment !!!!