SARC January report & additional documents

Hi All,

The January  2011report and the accompanying additional documents are on the SARC website  Newsletter page for all to be able to access and the SARC  committee hope that they are of help to all. Please note the report is at the bottom of the reports list.

http://www.santaanadelmonte.org

All the best

Tony

This message was last edited by TonyMal on 12/02/2011.

Has anyone read this ? If so what do you all think ?   It doesn't seem to reflect what is happening on El Pinet  not sure what to believe now 

see below  from the SARC report 

El Pinet:

estimate that by the 1st March 2011 SJI to be out of Administration

More than 300 families are currently living on El Pinet and the residents have water and electricity supplies on the builder’s supply

Hi Rason,

SARC have members at el Pinet and strangely none of them have made the remarks that you have. What is it that is causing you concern? I  am sorry to mention it but I have also PM'd you and I am still awaiting a reply.

Wishing you all the best

Tony

With all respect Tony , It is quite usual for those on the  El Pinet  forum to take a while to respond .They are pro -active and tend to  contemplate reality  as opposed to quickly reacting  to the needs and whims of the developer.

Those on El Pinet tend not to be  easily influenced or misguided  by what they are told  . In other words they think  about the bigger picture before they speak or act  .Which is a strategy you  would do well to consider  .

I am  quite happy to wait  a while for the  considered opinion of those who have been dealing with the reality of this mess  for years,  rather than those who have no idea of what  they are actually dealing with and think SJ are all great above board beyond reproach good guys .

As for your PM Tony  I do not know who you are nor do I wish to .I have seen enough of your behaviour on this site to know that I do not want anything to do with you . So please do not PM me again .

Hi Rason,

I find your posting perplexing. If any one looks at the SADM thread they would see that I post politely and have been consistently so, depsite the rather rude and aggresive behaviour of some.

As for your comments about considered opinion, how many purchasers do you know of who formed a representative organistation, a website, attend meetings at the Town Hall with the Mayor, administrators and the company?  It is a shame that rather than responding in a polite manner and having a reasonable and logical exchange you are distinctly negative.

I appreciate what an awfull time those of you at el Pinet have been through and still have not resolved. SARC does have members there.  If we can do anything to help fellow purchasers from HdT's sister company we will do so.

I truly wish you all the best

Tony

 I posted below the PMs that I sent you to ensure that all can see the nature of my communications to you and they can judge your response fro themselves

This message was last edited by TonyMal on 22/02/2011.

The unelecteds at EP have never considered anyting apart from self preservation. Now asking €100 pm for what..........

Can I take  it  that all is well  since my last  visit  three weeks ago  " that the current build is over 95% complete "  ! Really I had not noticed !!!!

" More than 300 families are currently living on El Pinet and  the residents have water and electricity supplies on the builder’s supply " Really  this is a misleading  statement  owners are paying sj's debt !!

does  no one else see the rubbish in this so called report ????? 

Are  there 300 houses / appartments completed yet? 

There might be 60 people living on El Pinet. but 300 families

over 1000 people               NO

 Hi Tony

Thank you very much for posting information from the SARC website and this is very much appreciated.   As this is a new "thread" I have only just become aware of it as nearly all the El Pinet postings/comments are put on the thread which has had 457 postings and for which I get email alerts whenever a new comment is made.   I imagine therefore, that it's possible quite a few regular El Pinet bloggers haven't seen it either.    Perhaps I should trawl for new threads more often but have become a bit used to the instant access from the email alerts.   May I suggest that you post a link to this new thread on the widely used El Pinet thread?    I would do so myself but maybe you have a reason for not wanting it put there.   Thanks again for the info.  

Lambourn !  Did you read this report ????? Can not believe you are thanking someone for posting complete  nonsense .

 Rason,

If you'd read my reply to Tony you would see that I wasn't commenting on the Report's accuracy, just thanking Tony for posting that link.   After all these years of false information/promises we're all quite capable of assessing for ourselves whether information posted is worth believing.    I like to be kept informed on what is going on whether it's actual fact, someone's opinion or downright lies!    Unfortunately, there have been too many broken promises over the years to believe what SJ say, but being ever opltimistic, I want to believe that they will be coming out of Administration sooner rather than later.   Only time will tell whether my optimism is justified.

Lambourn  Tony speaks on the behalf of San Jose   so who is it that you are thanking ?

Hi Rason,

If you would kindly not spread untruths I would be most gratefull, as I nor any member of the SARC committee speak for HdT or SJI.

SARC are willing to take any queries from el Pinet residents to meetings and have a representative of el Pinet purchasers on the commitee. That would be much more construcitve rather than posting comments that are not true.

Wishing you all the best

Tony  Chair  SARC Committee

Rason,

I think you must have some problem understanding what TonyMal is saying, have you gone to the web site. http://www.santaanadelmonte.org

It looks a profesional web site and they call themselves a 'residence co-operative', which would sound a democratic setup to me?

9palms  said

" It looks a profesional web site and they call themselves a 'residence co-operative', which would sound a democratic setup to me? "

Libya and Gaddafi  also have a professional looking web site and call themselves a peoples republic  by your reasoning they are therefore democratic  .This is the real world. I understand exactly what SARC are saying but that does not mean I believe it or am foolish enough to think SARC to be in anyway  democratic .

Same applies to our self appointeds at El Pinet. Nice looking website. Are they turning the Spanish clock back... Bo Franco...nice ring!

well said victor

some may want to ignore the facts and points of law .I prefer to reflect on truth fact and past experience .The committee at El Pinet have signed there own fate and played straight int SJs hands . It is financial and legal suicide to join in their illegal  blinkered little game  . Those who have not occupied their properties on legal advise are now in a much better position than those who have resided illegally and rented illegally .The truth will out and come back to bite well before SJ ever come with a solution . SJ are side stepping the real issues and the committee's actions are giving credence to their illegal actions .

Well how smug ?! It must be nice to be in such a privileged position that you can afford to sit back not using or renting your 'legally' owned property.  We were sold to under the false pretence that we could inhabit. Neither solicitors, local councils or notaries advised us otherwise.  If we had known about certificates of habitacion we would never have completed.  Easy to be wise after the event.

There are thousands of owners of all nationalities in these difficult circumstances all over Spain.  Personally, we are retirees and can't afford to sit back and wait for things to take their course under the due process of Spanish law! We may never see this situation resolved, but in the meantime, we are going to try and enjoy our property and make the best of it, as life is too short for all this aggravation.

We are all the innocent victims here so why are you so dismissive of the efforts of others who try their best to find out the situation and report to us all on this forum? Your comments to anyone who has a different opinion to yours are very contemptuous.

WELL.  we have some interesting reactions.

Not smug at all. Find it condecending for someone to say I am contemptuous because I have a different opinion to them. Democratic......apparently we are back to Libya 

 I am entitled to have my own thoughts. ( nearly illegal in libya, china, spain, uk, el pinet committee, SEE WEB SITE) I am entitled to express those thought. You may wish to disagree with me, but that does not mean you are correct. You might disagree with me, your choice.

I don't dismiss the efforts  of those trying to ' sort things out'      but its lambs v lion.  Explain 100 / 150 pm......why should I pay 100pm to maintain a pool? That is the MAIN community expense.  You  / me   they are trying to  screw  us all.

What was actually meant was 'comments' made about others' opinions sound contemptuous. Everyone can voice their opinion as you and I have done, but in no way would I be offensive. The fact that opinions differ in some ways is healthy as we can all take from it and make our own conclusions. 

We are not happy at the amount we have to pay in fees i.e. 100€uros for non residents, however, we do want to use our property so choose to do so.