Beach Club

 All

Whilst what Steve&Jane is meant to be helpful to this particular complaint, l think l'll set up a separate thread regarding the creation of an Owners Action group as it may get lost in the mix with all the other comments being posted.

PM me in the meantime if you're interested. lt will be fascinating to see how many of the interested parties want to get involved.

Regards

Tony

If the many issues mentioned here get confused as the already are doing then the one thing we will not see from an Action Group is action.

It is already quite clear who is responsible for the open spaces in every case. This is either your community, the entidad or Calidona depending on which bit of ground you are talking about. Your hopes of getting a reponse from any of these will diminish as you go along the chain because the politics increase to the point of petrification in the Entidad's case and lack of financial incentive or capability in Calidona's . The mechanism for taking action in each case already exists through your elected community president not direct with Housing as I think you will discover.

Where an Action Group can take action is against outside commercial interests who are fleecing the already insecure and hard-pressed owners and that is by witholding your custom from them. This is why I believe the Beach club issue is one an Action Group can actually affect.

If you believe Collados are doing the Roda community a favour by running the club house then you might as well pay entry to the Club House too or voluntarily give up your owners discounts to make sure they stay. That would be ludicrous of course but then so is the idea of allowing them to fleece you at every cut and turn as they are doing at the Beach Club (and at the Club House too with their poor food and service).

Would anyone else take on the restaurant? Could they do a better job of it?  No doubt about it in both cases in my view, and I speak as someone with 27 years experience at a decent level in the bar-restaurant industry. Would I be willing to put it to the test with a boycott? Without doubt and I have no agenda for this other than access to good facilities at both the Club House and the Beach Club in the fullness of time which I dont believe Collados currently offer.

Either way if you don't want an Action Group to become a Talking about Action Group you need to understand what you can influence, how and be willing to follow through. Without that the group will never come together or will quickly fall apart.

Let me be first to commit that I will not visit the Club House again until Collados remove their entrance charge to residents whose money paid for the expensive refurbishment of the beach club which that private business is enjoying, no doubt. on a soft rent. For those of you want to pay twice for this, enjoy! For those who want to take pity on the poor souls at Collados who have been forced to take advantage of us in this way by continuing to support them with your custom at Roda well, what can I say. It is well seen that business has glass doors because they can certainly see you coming, as we say in Glasgow.

Wow - thanks for the lecture jdwhy!!

 ls it really any wonder people don't offer to help when a perfectly reasonable suggestion is greeted by a response such as yours?

However, as someone with first-hand experience of politics, and 26 years of running my own accountancy practice - dealing with HMRC is as difficult as it gets sometimes, believe you me - l think l'll make my own mind up if that's ok with you.

You're still very welcome to join me - that's if you haven't put everyone off already, that is!

Tony

Hello All,

Hi Steveandjane,

I too have the brochure in front of me and I am aware of what you suggest I may be guilty of ie selective reading or more politely confusion, but I disagree. They do, as you say, refer to local facilities and that could, at a stretch, be construed as say in Los Alcazeres etc, but the list is what they said THEY would provide. I have not included anything in the list that Roda do not say will be provided on site. That same brochure says "Roda Golf and Beach Club has a private beach club on the meditteranean coast." also "We are also opening a 5* hotel at the resort. Opening in 2008 (opening before the credit crunch you will note) at a cost of more than 30 million" (where did that money get spent?). Those telling points were not mentioned by yourself.

We can argue semantics till we are long in the tooth, but truth will out and I am sure that interpreting words is futile when the vast majority know they have been dealt a bad hand.

Beware of nitpickers!

Regards,

Frank

Hi Tony&Kim

I was trying to be constructive so my apologies that you took personal offence.

If you can achieve a successful outcome on any of these issues trust me I will be the first to give credit where it is due.

I am not at all unhappy however that people might be put off joining a talking shop with no realistic objective or means of achieving it in mind. There have been more than enough of these relating to Roda, including this forum. On the other hand I would applaud a group that really does take worthwhile action so respect and good luck to you if you are to be those soldiers. 

I will be interested to hear of your progress.

If it does turn out to be a talking shop at least you will be putting a few euros in the coffers of the poor hard-up Collados group when you have your meetings at the Club House! :)

 Hi jdwhy

No offence taken - a bit of sabre rattling never hurt anyone!

As l said, a lifetime's experience of dealing with people's tax problems - and sitting on more political committees than l care to remember - means that l very seldom get upset by people's genuine concerns, only if they pre-judge people they have never met. l was truly more worried that your reply would put people off who might be interested in coming along.

If you like we could always go outside of the development for the meeting - perhaps to the little community bar in Roda Village? - whichever people prefer. Are you over between 10th - 19th September and perhaps we could meet up? Alternatively we are back again from 9th - 16th October.

l look forward to hearing from you - pm me if you think you'd like to take things further and get involved.

Cheers for now,

Tony

Hi Tony&Kim

I have to say that I am a little dis-chuffed (if that is a word) at your suggestion of an action group.

This was mentioned way down in this thread, an on the Golf Discount thread too, and several of us have already agreed to meet up round about 22nd September to discuss where we go from here.

What we don't need is two separate action grroups or residents association. That is just stupid.

So by all means let's do something. But let's do it in a co-ordinated fashion please and not split the owners into 2 factions.

This message was last edited by pommers on 23/08/2011.

Hi Pommers,

Hope you got my earlier message. Won't be over on 22nd. but please keep me informed of developments.

Hi Jacq1 - yes it arrived earlier. Your's now makes the 8th reply from owners who would like to do something.

We're trying to sort out a date when there are a few of us around - not a problem for me as I live here - but sometime around 22nd, 23rd or 24th September is looking favourite. Once we have a date I'll post sometime on here.

Just like buses - no action group for 4 years, then 2 arrive at the same time. If there are two meetings we need continuity and co-operation between the two. 

I really dont think it would be of any use to anyone to have 2 groups, surely one united front is enough.  As Pommers was the first to suggest it I think it only fair we go with the dates she is suggesting.

Hi Pommers

Wow,  two lectures in 24hours! ls this a record on a Roda thread?

To avoid any further confusion it was not my intention to set up what you appear to perceive as a rival Roda Action Group - quite the contrary - so l'm sorry if l gave that impression. Acually l think your post rather supports my suggestion of creating a specific thread re the Action Group, as facts are already getting lost in earlier posts on different threads, and with interested parties pm-ing each other it's already getting quite hard to keep up.

Do you want to start the thread yourself, and then all facts regarding the group, suggestions etc can be posted there in one place?

However what l would say is that it'll probably be very difficult to get everyone together at the same time, particularly at short notice, so l don't think my suggestion of meeting up with jdwhy - who has categorically stated he will not go to the Clubhouse - to exchange ideas should really be frowned on.

In conclusion both my wife and l will support the Roda Action Group as best we can. Over to you.

Regards

Tony

PS I have received a pm from owners on Phase3 who want to get involved too - l'll pm them to get in touch with you.

PPS "Dis-chuffed"? You won't find that in the DT crossword!

Hello All,

Just for information, I seem to recall, but may be wrong, that a group of people on Roda have already banded together and are taking action against Roda for lack of facilities. If that is correct, could they be of use? (Notice that I said this is for information and that I may be wrong before anyone starts jumping on my back.)

Regards, Frank

Hi Shannon

I know there is a group now for those who bought Golfing Rights and that meetings were held in the UK to discuss action at Corvera which several Roda owners attanded, but I haven't heard of anything else actually being set up.

Has anyone else? Because if there is already an group of some sort then, as I said previously, we don't need two - so if anyone can throw any light on this any info appreciated.

I've also set up a separate thread to canvas opinion regards an Owners &/or Renters Association.
I believe La Manga has a very active group and they manage to achieve results from what I've heard.

For some clarification

There is an Association of Roda Golf Rights Holders AGR set up legally to represent those who paid out for Golf Rights.

Apparently some 150 paid for the privilige but only about 60 contacted and joined AGR and we are now having problems gaining enough support and consensus to have constructive discussions with the problems that Roda have thrown at us.

There was also a group set up by a couple of ex contributors on EOS mainly of Phase 3 and 4 owners who were not happy completing. They held a meeting in the UK along with Spanish lawyers and a number of Corvera owners also attended as did some current visitors to this site, They did set up their own website as a group and if still active would be well worth contacting.

Hugh_Man

Do you have the website URL or a name I can contact?

Is it necessary for all of these issues to be addressed by action groups....is there nothing the communities could address on behalf of the owners, or are there still too many properties owned by Calidona for this to be successful??

I have been informed by Housing, Community and Entidad that these sort of things are outside their remit.

If you have an alternative to a Residents Association then please shout up, as I for one would love to find one.

I would have thought Housing and the Entidad and Communidads had enough to do with trying to keep Roda running on a daily basis.  Given that the numbers of people available for the committees is limited and tends to draw from the same pool of owners, they can't be expected to take this on as well.   Surely owners have to take responsibility at some point?