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19 Aug 2011 8:11 PM by timba Star rating in Cardiff and Rocas de.... 27 posts Send private message

Hi All

Many thanks for all the comments.  We are not asking for special treatment as a brit but just fair play as we pay taxes and support the economy here in spain like many others, but from the experience of the event it does not seem comparable to the UK system.   So how do they solve and reduce crimes like this and bring the perpetrators to court please, so that I can hopefully understand without feeling 'nothing is going to happen'

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Timba



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19 Aug 2011 8:34 PM by janie2003 Star rating. 129 posts Send private message

 Would you honestly expect an arrest in the UK? unless of course someone actually recognised the perpetraror en flagrente delito





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20 Aug 2011 9:46 AM by johnzx Star rating in Spain. 5242 posts Send private message

 

QUOTE   "Many thanks for all the comments.  We are not asking for special treatment as a brit but just fair play as we pay taxes and support the economy here in spain like many others, but from the experience of the event it does not seem comparable to the UK system.   So how do they solve and reduce crimes like this and bring the perpetrators to court please, so that I can hopefully understand without feeling 'nothing is going to happen'
regards
Timba"
 
Timba,
 
All of us here pay out taxes etc.   you are not special because of that.
 
You appear to have been treated as every one would have been in accordance with the Spanish Law, and you ARE complaining about that and saying (demanding almost) that you should be treated differently i.e as you think you would be in ANOTHER country (the UK). 
  
".... it does not seem comparable to the UK system"   It is not the UK, it is Spain. There is NO REASON why any country must compare itself with any other country.  Just because you are ignorant (do not understand) how criminal investigation is carried out (as you have repeatedly demonstrated in your posts)  does not support wild accusations of incompetence and unfair treatment.
 
As for crime levels. Sorry to be boring but I know from personal knowledge both in Spain and UK that crime levels in Spain are considerably lower than in the UK and arrest level here are high (whilst accepting corruption is almost worse here).
 
Sorry Timba, I have never said this before to anyone, but if cannot accept life here and conform to the norm, go back to UK and let us who do enjoying living here continue to enjoy it in peace,
 
PS If you have any serious questions please send me a private message (to save us boring everyone else) and I will do all I can to assist. 

 

 



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20 Aug 2011 10:24 AM by timba Star rating in Cardiff and Rocas de.... 27 posts Send private message

Hi John

Many thanks for your kind words below:

Quote'    Sorry Timba, I have never said this before to anyone, but if cannot accept life here and conform to the norm, go back to UK and let us who do enjoying living here continue to enjoy it in peace,
 
Is it so wrong to want to understand how a system works in a country you live in when you have been subjected to something for the first time.
 
Timba


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20 Aug 2011 10:35 AM by johnzx Star rating in Spain. 5242 posts Send private message

NB
 
 I have not ignored the last comment by Timba, but we are now communicating using the private message system:, and I had already  replied directly to him.





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20 Aug 2011 4:26 PM by campana Star rating in Marbella. 474 posts Send private message

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John:

 

Nonetheless I want to quote you again.  This makes so much sense.

 

"It is not the UK, it is Spain. There is NO REASON why any country must compare itself with any other country.  Just because you are ignorant (do not understand) how criminal investigation is carried out (as you have repeatedly demonstrated in your posts)  does not support wild accusations of incompetence and unfair treatment.

 
As for crime levels. Sorry to be boring but I know from personal knowledge both in Spain and UK that crime levels in Spain are considerably lower than in the UK and arrest level here are high (whilst accepting corruption is almost worse here).
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20 Aug 2011 6:53 PM by janie2003 Star rating. 129 posts Send private message

 Surely if someone whishes  to know something would it not be wise to seek out and ask an expert rather than trying to drag out what are only uninformed opinions from those, myself included, who are not wise in the material.





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20 Aug 2011 7:21 PM by lmjohn Star rating in S Wales & Piedra Ama.... 14 posts Send private message

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I bet Timba wishes he had never mentioned this theft. What a strange response from knowallls.





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20 Aug 2011 7:55 PM by pilgrim Star rating in Costa Calida. 231 posts Send private message

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I did not feel I had anything to add to what has been posted on this thread regarding the actions or non-actions of the police forces in Spain.

However, something I think it important to say, which contradicts the otherwise sterling contributions by Johnz, is the fact that it is normal and an indelible part of life to make comparisons, no matter where you hail from originally.

For example: John Bloggs does a certain job and gets x pounds a week. Joe Soap does a similar job and envies John´s salary, which is higher than his and makes a comparison request.

I have found that most things in life involve comparison of one sort or another.

A true example, which can be used for comparison is, I witnessed an attempted burglary in England, at 10 oclock one morning. I made a mental note of the´description of the two men involved, memorised the make, colour and number plate of the van they used and phoned the police within 10 minutes. I was told there was nobody available but an officer would call after 2pm that day. Two officers came to take a statement. One, spent the entire time talking to his girlfriend on his mobile, while the second officer wrote some notes.

They promised to contact me with any progress. Nothing happened for two months, then I received a call from the police, asking if I was sure the number plate I had given was OK, because, if correct, it meant the van was registered in the same County as the burglary!

I asked if that was not very likely? He replied, "I suppose so".

So, people, if you compare that experience with the police services here, I have no complaints at the moment.

 



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21 Aug 2011 9:50 AM by elaineG Star rating in Spain . 409 posts Send private message

 

Excuse me Jannie you said:
 
 Surely if someone wishes to know something would it not be wise to seek out and ask an expert rather than trying to drag out what are only uninformed opinions from those, myself included, who are not wise in the material.
 
  30 years as a UK police officer and 23 years in Spain as a volunteer translator with the police johnzx appears to be well qualified to answer question on the police, in UK and here.
 
You say you do not have knowledge, does not seem to stop you saying some very odd things though ! 
 
And,  I notice, unlike many here, including johnzx, you do not show anything on your profile, is that because you have nothing to back up what you say. or are you just too modest ?

 

 



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21 Aug 2011 11:47 AM by janie2003 Star rating. 129 posts Send private message

 'I don' t have anything on my profile' seems I am wrong again, so sorry I didn't realise this was a dating site sorry. 

 

I am just interested in the goings on.. i.e what's  what not who's who

 



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21 Aug 2011 11:58 AM by elaineG Star rating in Spain . 409 posts Send private message

Jannie if you had checked my profile you will see I am a married woman, so don't worry about dating  as far as I am concerned, you are certainly not my type !
 
Having info in one's profile can give an indication of how much weight to put on a poster's comments. If the poster has that, they are say a doctor, then any comments on medicine could be taken seriously.   Nothing in profile, well, about sums it up, maybe not worth considering !  





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21 Aug 2011 12:16 PM by janie2003 Star rating. 129 posts Send private message

 Oh dear seems you are judgemental.

Many professions have what is known as a CODE OF CONDUCT.

One of the main points in these is to NEVER be judgemental.

A typical case is a judge who is never given information regarding the plaintiff until after a guilty verdict, as this could influence the outcome of the trial.Every thing should be judged on the facts not opinions.

And if you want medical advice surely it would be wiser to visit a true doctor, after all anyone could claim to be a doctor on here.

I my line of work I had the same rule and had I broken it i would have been out of a job straight away.

However it would appear that you wish to be judgemental hence you answer your own question as to why I have put nothing in my profile.

Carry on judging, oh and who his Jannie

Regards Janie

 



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21 Aug 2011 12:38 PM by Julianx Star rating in Spain. 61 posts Send private message

Have I missed the point  too ?

A judge cannot be a judge unless he/she has, and can demonstrate, the qualifications. 

I tend to agree with Elaine.


" I rest my case "      heheheheheh





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21 Aug 2011 12:49 PM by janie2003 Star rating. 129 posts Send private message

 You have, what I said is

 NEVER be judgemental.So just as well you rest your case cos you aint got one

And it seems you have both taken us off thread

why not start a hate Janie thread





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21 Aug 2011 12:54 PM by Julianx Star rating in Spain. 61 posts Send private message

Surely if someone whishes  to know something would it not be wise to seek out and ask an expert rather than trying to drag out what are only uninformed opinions from those, myself included, who are not wise in the material.

 

Just checked back, seems it was this post that took us off thread.

 

I apologise for following Janie's lead.

 

I always was easily lead

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21 Aug 2011 1:01 PM by janie2003 Star rating. 129 posts Send private message

 Actually it was elaine took it off thread by choose to criticise me

Still who cares its cafe time





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21 Aug 2011 1:09 PM by Julianx Star rating in Spain. 61 posts Send private message

The thread is:-     SPANISH ECONONY --- STOLEN PURSE

 

Surely if someone whishes  to know something would it not be wise to seek out and ask an expert rather than trying to drag out what are only uninformed opinions from those, myself included, who are not wise in the material.

 

Thats on thread  ?

 

Some people think black is white. 

You  are so funny, heheheheheeh

 

j





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21 Aug 2011 2:50 PM by janie2003 Star rating. 129 posts Send private message

 Of course it's on thread, question who can help answer someone who knows what they are talking about.





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21 Aug 2011 2:53 PM by Julianx Star rating in Spain. 61 posts Send private message

Surely if someone whishes  to know something would it not be wise to seek out and ask an expert rather than trying to drag out what are only uninformed opinions from those, myself included, who are not wise in the material.
 
If we followed that the forum would close down.
 
(And we would miss you being so funny)
 

                               heheheheheh





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