urbanización Camposol de Mazarrón

If you read the up to date article the council said it will take approximately 12 million EU to sort out Camposol ,money that they do not have( Bollocks) Mazarron council over the 7 year's that l have owned a property on Camposol have collected approximately 2.8 million per year.in IBI from the 7 thousand properties on Camposol = 19.6 million in the 7 years I have been on Camposol all wee get is a rubbish collection that is paid via the extortionate water bills so what the hell Doe's Mazarron council do with the illegal IBI collected from a site that said should not be their bearing in mind the site has full planning consent .

What an incredibly informative (and compassionate) article http://murciatoday.com/cra-drop-bombshell-on-camposol_26798-a.html and one that highlights so many issues (political, social and judicial) that sadly have impacted the Spanish Real Estate industry, with all the knock on effects re longer term legality issues, ongoing owner vulnerabilities etc that follow in the wake of significant defective build/infrastructure of this nature during this last decade and beyond.

I wonder however whether the local authority ensured that adequate developer bonds/guarantees were put in place from the outset, to ensure that in the event of developer insolvency that any defects of this significant nature would be effectively covered by all necessary insurance, so as to make good the infrastructure etc. and thereby protect not only those directly impacted by this nightmare scenario, but also those indirectly impacted, i.e. owners within other sectors of the development?

Windtalker-there are  about 4000 properties on Camposol, not 7000.

what people must do is get away from the idea that  Camposol is sinking, and houses are are falling down

This  is NOT the case, and repeating this on forums harms the reputation of the place, particularly to those wishing to sell for reasons unconnected to the problems.

as stated in the article on Murcia Today, 92% of properties are fine and the owners are content living in them.

The  unfortunate 8 %  have awful problems, which the Residents Association is doing its best  to get fixed.

So long as there is any hint of potential retrospective change to the legalities and financial overheads relating to this urbinisation ("Camposol can only be adopted as a complete urbanisation when it is finished IN FULL, ALL SECTORS INCLUDED, and there is no legal allowance for  the urbanisation to be adopted one sector at a time" or "residents themselves should take responsibility for private roads on which their homes are built" ), or issues such as questioning the legality of the bridge which connects sectors B to C (and therefore D), erratic water supply to parts of sector B, etc  it will inevitably and sadly appear to impact all.

Is it not, as expressed in this article, in everyones' interest to sort out the problems so that everyone benefits, including the businesses in the municipality?

At the risk of annoying some: I wonder what the Spanish attitude is towards developments like Camposol. In the UK the general population despises Pakistani/muslim ghettoes where the people don't speak the language and live away from the population at large. I suppose it must be a language thing, as Brits going to Engl;isdh speaking countries like USA, Australia, Canada, South Africa, etc don't set out to find communities of Brits. Mostly they want to integrate asap. I don't understand places like Camposol.

I wouldn't live anywhere where the indigenous population don't live and hasn't any history or tradition, if those guys don't feel that somewhere is worthy of their occupation then that's good enough for me.

Guy T - There are Spanish people living on Camposol too!

the Spanish in Mazarron are aware that since Camposol has been built, it has benefited greatly from the money that has poured in from IBI, property purchase, consumer goods , sports facilities etc

many areas of the town have been improved, new pavements, lights, shops, etc

however, this is not reflected in the money spent on Camposol

Is this because the local authority expected the developer to provide the infrastructure (street lighting, roads, sewers, provision for utilities, etc) and should the developer default, then the developer bond/insurance should be in place as fallback provision to complete any outstanding works?

Is this not common practice in Spain to act as effective reassurance for any property investors during any continuing later build phases?

If these bonds/insurance are not in place from the outset then aren't all earlier investors who take possession of property at risk on large developments that cover several build phases?  

Camposol, I was thinking of you when I said I might annoy some people. But I suspect you are being disingenuous when you say there are Spanish living there too. Is it, or is it not, an essentially Brit community?

btw: I remember reading your asking some months ago how to best bank/transfer the proceeds of the sale of your property. I am not trying to be funny, how are things progressing/did things fall through? Sincere wishes that everything progresses to your satisfaction. 

Ads is of course quite right with his comment - Mazarron Council expect all the infrastructure to be completed to their standard before they accept responsibility for future maintenance.  It sounds from the report that the new lady mayor, Alicia Jimenez is reneging on the promises made by her predecessor which outrageous, but IMHO Spanish politicians in Spain make our guys look like saints.

I do hope that the CRA manage to keep people together and tackle this as a united community, as that is the only way that you will be able to move forward.

Guy T 

it all went through smoothly, with the money transferred by Currencies Direct, thanks

Many British have shown a liking for townships/communities, they probably feel more secure in them, I live semi rural in the UK but wouldn't fancy living in the back and beyond in Spain, However I could cope with village life in northern Spain, on the proviso that the village was situated close to the coast (whoops it wouldn't be in the 'Real Spain' would it?) 

As for communities I know folk who live in them and love it, infact they wouldn't swap with me. I feel very sorry for the guys who have been stung by cowboy developers of Spanish community property, however the cowboys don't just limit their activities to communities, the Spanish authorities need to toughen up big style.