No council meeting today 6th November 2009

Hi guys,

Just to let you know that there will not be a council meeting today 6th November 2009 at Campos Del Rio - To call a meeting the council post details of any pending meetings on the notice board in the town hall 2 days before any meeting takes place, as of yesterday no notice was posted.

What we have to remember is that the council is not run by TH and they have no input when the meeting can or will take place, like us they get told one thing and another thing happens - maybe we will have to wait until the regular meeting at the end of November - disappointing but  we will just have to wait.

Regards
Brian  

I love your positivity Brian. It seems to me that we are always waiting untill next month, after that we will start building. Aye right , heard it more in the last three years than the previous 50. I am just fed up now. Even when you exercise your gaurantee you are told that the banks have no money to pay outand the insurance backed gaurantee is fraudulant.

 

My philosophy over recent years is never have anything to do with insurance unless you are legally obliged. eg motor vehicle insurance otherwise keep your money and with all you will save on premiums you will be much better off. Reason- the bandits wont pay out anyway.

 

I am told the mayor is delaying on voting because he is frightened of being charged with corruption. Well I say lets sue him for damages by causing this delay and attack him from both sides in order that  he can resign or get the project moving.

Doing nothing is not working--- does anyone have any other suggstions as to what course of action we might take. 2500 homes sold on the development lets get our heads to together and make their heads spin.

I'll continue quoting lyrics from Pink Floyd

We reached for the secret too soon, we cried for the moon......
Nobody knows where we are, How near or how far..... 

And to be honest, I'm in no rush - long term thinking in these turbulent times is what pays off in the end.

I'll stick to "my way" (Frank Sinatra): That building is the only way...

And we have for a while now targeted a date sometime in November probably at the end now
----maybe we can look forward to a well deserved pleasant early x-mas gift

 

 

This message was last edited by ogo on 11/9/2008.

This message was last edited by ogo on 11/9/2008.

For the first time now my feelings are a bit double:

Should I stay or should I go? (for OGO)

I do agree with you OGO - this might be the meeting that we have been waiting for - but Murciabouy also has a point: We have been hearing this for too many years now.

Maybe it is about time to line up and shoot. But this needs to be logically correct!

If the fact is that all public documents have been correctly issued for the site then we need to make the town, Campos del Rio, responsible for what has been going on. After all the townhall of CdR has been the cause of all the delay. Not the meyor per se, but the council itself. Of course it is a fact that the meyor is totally incompitent as such, or even ilegitimate, but the council as a whole has declined further development on site.

So we should sue the town! Of course such a litigation will be on a quite large scale where GT would be investigated 100% as well as the meyor. This could become a criminal case if this can of worms is opened.

If the meeting does not not go through this month then I am ready to start litigation. I am ready to put money into this because I don't like being f*****.

So Murciabouy - count me in if we are in the same situation at the end of the month.

I would however like to make it known that I would of course prefer the building to start and finish. But at some point in time paitence simply runs out - and I think quite honestly that our patience has been tested to it's fullest...

-- Bjorn

 

 

This message was last edited by bjorn on 11/9/2008.

Thanks for your replies guys

 

Let me make myself clear "I would prefer the building to go ahead and we all get what we expect - A Home in Spain to use however we see fit--

HOWEVER  as we have so far taken no action as a "group" there has been little incentive for the council or the company to change tactics from delay delay delay to build build build. They have our money and so far have done very little with it

 

Wel I propose that if after Xmas we are still in the same position then we band together and act. ALL those interested in discussing a joint course of action could simply make this known to us on the forum and we can see what sort of response and support we have.

IT IS TIME TO MAKE A STAND ---PEOPLE MUST TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR ACTIONS --REMEMBER A JUDGE IN SPAIN HAS ALREADY SAID IN HIS JUDGEMENT THAT THE COUNCIL WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR DAMAGES AND LOSSES OF BUYERS --- LET US SHOW THEM WE ARE SERIOUS PEOPLE WITH A SERIOUS AGENDA ---TO MAKE THOSE RESPONSIBLE PAY WHETHER THEY ARE COUNCIL OR COMPANY ==

HOLD YOUR HORSES

"holy cow" you sounds like a "bunch of americans" hehe -  "let's smoke them out"... 

In principle I agree with you, but please be aware of the facts.

I think as long as the project is sanctioned, there is something to bring back - then there is substance - today there is only papers +  some buildings and land areas...almost without value without the building permits.

A full scale litigation without the building permit will run the project into bancruptcy - I do not know this for a fact but its a guess. (How well the split between the project and Grupo Trampolin is contractually/legally defined I do not know, but I am not willing to gamble on it)

 

OGO

 

no omne disagrees with this --however as long as we follow  like a flock of lambs to the slaughter then that is what we will be and they the council or the company have no incentive to change things -- they must first sanction the project by delaying it they keep us hanging on like a bunch of idiots while they make money in interest from our deposits. DIJO SUFICIENTE Let us mobilise  the troops and make them take action . Their gravy train must come to a halt --and we must stop it

OGO

 

no omne disagrees with this --however as long as we follow  like a flock of lambs to the slaughter then that is what we will be and they the council or the company have no incentive to change things -- they must first sanction the project by delaying it they keep us hanging on like a bunch of idiots while they make money in interest from our deposits. DIJO SUFICIENTE Let us mobilise  the troops and make them take action . Their gravy train must come to a halt --and we must stop it

sorry - my mistake

you are talking about taking legal action against the COUNCIL and city hall, well there is a job for you...

I would say - again - that if Grupo Trampolin does not want to do it - I don't want to do it.

The mayor has proven to be a man of "ice" and he will not "shiver" just because someone threatens to take him to court. You actually have to do it, and by the time you got him thrown out of his chair (even if you actually succeed) it will be after several trials with lawyer cost and paper work, committment to go all the way, time cosumption, etc. 

But be my guest! 

I will be of moral support, but iI will not put my money into it. 

And if you manage to put him out of his chair i will be the first to congratulate you.

Well - I plan to stay, but you are all free to go..

At least until the project is sanctioned!

OGO

 

This message was last edited by ogo on 11/9/2008.

you think  he is a man of ice! If that is so why has he not progressed the project? Is it because as Snr Martinez has stated previously he is trying to blackmail his company into buying land that is of no value. Or is he not progressing because he is frightened that he will be charged with corruption and as a result nothing is happening. Whatever there is a clear duty of the council to act in a dutiful fashion to all buyers as licences to sell houses and do groundworks have all been approved by the council. So WHY ALL THE DELAYS ? ENOUGH IS ENOUGH If we get enough people and there are people are who PM me with support ,it need not be too costly per head. Remember I will give it to january then I think if there is no progress we should consider action. I am on phase 1, I paid my money almost three years ago and conservatively speaking the av deposit is 40k multply by 2500 houses they claim to have sold and that is 10million euros. The point is these delays are making someone richer every day.

 

just so you know councils have been sued before --and lost---  insurance companies ,banks  have all been sued before and lost  one thing for sure is doing nothing is not working

I think you will find the situation is even worse than you claim: according to the Spanish Tax authorities( who have stated that the BG's issues by the Swiss company are worthless), €50,000,000 in deposits is at risk of not being paid back if this development doesn't go ahead, & they also claim that there are 2,800 buyers. Interesting, given that there are only 2,500 properties that were supposed to be built.

Actually 40K times 2500 properties = 100 million euros

i never had me specs on when i did the calculation --- no matter that only means they are making even more interest.

I tend to agree.

If nothing has happend in January. We will load the gun

I assume that we then take both CdR and Trampolino Group?

So I wonder if we should then make this official? That we will start the process...

We then join forces, contact lawyers and plan for one big trial that will really hurt both GT and CdR.

That will put pressure on both parties to come to an agreement; but then again:

Lets hope and pray that everything is solved before that...

 

This message was last edited by ogo on 11/10/2008.

This message was last edited by ogo on 11/10/2008.

naturally ratification of the project and the commencement of construction will be the preferred route --lets hope so --- for me the timescale is laid down --January latest -- then we can speak to lawyers, investigators whoever possibly even tv companies. Meantime if there are folks out there who are willing to join a cosortium then lets us know so that come the deadline we can start action.

 

pm s are acceptable

 

This message was last edited by murciabhoy on 11/11/2008.

Was told yeserday by email from TH that the meeting is supposed to take place on 17th Nov. But at this stage who knows.

If we do get to the stage of legal action rememberbr we need to go after not just the individuals but also the positions they hold . E.G. The Mayor & council of Campus del Rio plus them individually. That way you gain the opportunity to secure both their personal liability but also the council liability. The same for TH.

But let's hope it doesn't have to go there as this will be costly and drawn out.

  

In the beginning we do not go after any individuals. My feeling is that the counil in Campos del Rio is to blame for our situation. The meyor is of course a big factor here - but the council itself, as a whole, should have given instantly the go-ahead according to public documents previously signed and accepted.

So the town itself is largely to blame.

I am however sure that with a legal action there will be individuals falling all around the council, GT and even further in other directions. No stone should be left unturned.

But remember - I hope the project gets a go-ahead before it comes to this.

Is the deadline, say, 15 january?

 

sounds like we may well have a rolling bandwagon on the go --anyone one else care to add their thoughts and support for future action based on the previous posts ?

 

Hi Guys,

 

Just remember that before a council meeting can be called it has to be posted on the Town Hall Notice Board at least 2 days before the meeting.

 

Regards

Brian

If massive building hasn't commenced on 15th Jan, I will participate !