Out come of residents meeting.

Andy

Thanks for your e mail and all your efforts to try and resolve some of the awful mess we are all involved in.

We have a few questions about the proposals:

The Site

The site is still very much unfinished in terms of communal areas and Murcia Council wont grant a Licence of First Occupation (LFO) until everything is done. Isn't there a danger that residents will be left to pick up the bill of finishing the site when it is the developer who should have done it.

Specifically: huge area of rough land infront of commercial area will need to be landscaped, all the electricity wires currently on telegraph poles will have to put put underground, road signs to be purchased and erected , tarmac finish to roads, drainage problems (Why are all the road drains blocked off?) etc.

This could come to thousands of pounds!

We also believe that the council require a new access road to the site to be built. We were all asked to pay €3000 each towards the cost of this. We were told that the council required this before the LFO would be granted. The road has not been built and what has happened to this money - is the developer going to build this road or will the money be passed back to the community?  We haven't seen any plans for this road, but this could cost millions of Euros. Will the community take responsibility for this as well?

Water and Electricity

Looking at the experience of buyers on other developments, the utility companies will not connect individual properties without LFO. It is the builder who applies for this after they have finished the development to the standards required by the Council. This means the site has to be finished to match the original plans. There could be huge problems here as we don't know what the original plans are and it is a common belief on site that the builder didn't stick to the plans anyway.

How do you know that the utilitity companies will let our community take over Antonio's supply which is a 'builders supply'  They supply these utilities at a builders lower rate for building purposes. If you are successful how will you administer bills to individuals with a common supply?

Those people that have completed have a clause in their notorised deeds to say that all utilities would be provided free of charge until LFO was granted and individual contracts with utilities were available. Looking at the recent history of the developer, how do we know that the €200 will be used to pay the utility bills? More likely this could be used for some 'other' purpose.

We think that Antonio knows it will be a long time (possibly years) before The Council will give the LFO's and that the cost of putting the site right may take thousands to complete. This might be why he is so happy to sign the site over to a community?

We are not trying to be negative but we are concerned about the future. There are many unanswered questions at the moment - this post is just our initial thoughts and I'm sure the other residents will have lots of other questions. Grupo Mediterranea might know all the answers to these questions, but we don't know that yet and we need to ensure that ALL the facts are known before a course of action is commenced.

Once again. thanks for all your hard work.

Regards

Jogary.
 

With regards to the first question we will have formed by next week a limited company run by the committee and we will work in conjunction with Murcia council so they look after the roads street lights and we maintain all the communal areas the council will make the company finish the areas to a satisfactory standard and we are now recognised and we can push the council to implement this.

The huge area in front of the commercial is land that has been given back to the council when an urbanisation is made a percentage of the land has to be given back to the council so we must negociate with them

Hi

THIS IS THE FIRST TIME i HAVE DECIDED TO EMAIL RELATING TO TRAMPOLIN.  UNLIKE MANY OTHERS THREE YEARS AGO WE PURCHASED PAYING 70% OF OUR PROPERTY.  AT THE TIME HAVING NO IDEA THAT PLANNING HAD NOT BEEN GRANTED. 

NEVERTHELESS OVER THE PAST 2 YEARS WE HAVE ALWAYS PAID WHAT HAS BEEN ASKED FOR FROM TRAMPOLIN.  SO NOW WE HAVE PAID A FURTHER 14000EUROS.

THE RECENT EPISODE IS THAT WE WERE OVER  TO HAND POWER OF ATTORNEY TO OUR LAWYER TO COMPLETE  AND WE PAID THE 200EUROS WHICH WAS REQUESTED.  THEN TRAMPOLIN DISCONNECTED US AND INFORMED CERTAIN PERSONS WE HAD LIED ABOUT THE ARRANGEMENTS MADE. ( WE WENT AGAINST OUR LAWYERS ADVICE NOT PAY AND ONCE AGAIN HE WAS RIGHT.) 

STARCREST

let all join MAG Murcia Action Group i am not paying my 200 euros for elec and water they can cut me off i am down on phase 3 i have damp up the walls GT do not do the repair so am not paying for my house

Murciaman

Some of you may be aware that the Commercial Units had their electricity cut off earlier this week.

Hi worried

What is the point of Antonio asking them to leave? What has happened? Will we no longer have bar/restaurant?

What about the other shops?

The madness continues.

Can anyone explain?

Thanks

Hi Jogary, yes the madness continues and no I cannot offer an explanation apart from saying that this afternoon all the furniture from the bar was being loaded into 2 vans and being taken away.  The Bar extension that was being planned into the "old" supermarket, where an archway was built last week, has been boarded up again today.

The Launderette business has been closed and transferred back into the Valle;  the Curtain and Bedding shop has been closed.  As far as I am aware, the Printers and Hairdressers are still open

Thanks for keeping us updated. It's good to know whats happening (good or bad)

We are very concerned about what is happening on site.

Love the pigs though! Maybe one day we might see them over Trampolin!

Regards

Just read the latest post on the 'Lo Santiago' forum. A post made yesterday says the commercial centre shops are back to normal. But if the restaurant has been closed and tenants evicted, how can thsi be? Have Millie nad Claude been reinstated?

If bins have gone, we should take our rubbish and leave it at the office.

Do any of the new committee members have any news on how thier meetings went this week with the utility companies?

Any news would be much appreciated.

Many Thanks

Daisymil

Cant help you with regard to the damp question but maybe someone else might post as I know others have the same problem.

We do have the internal and external cracks though. We completed 2 months ago but have given up trying to get defects sorted.

Personally, I think you have more chance to get work done before you pay the final instalment but if the company has no money (like they say) it will be hard!

Why dont you contact the committee member for your phase? They should be able to tell you about similar defects others might be suffering.

I think an earlier post said that Millie and Claude had been asked to leave! Now we have no facilities at all.

Regards

We had another meeting on Friday 5th Dec. Antonio has demanded another 200e and once again threatening to cut off electric and water, the bins have been removed and we have no street lighting! People are deciding individually if they are going to pay or not but run the risk of being without utilities over xmas and new year! So once again we are being illegally black mailed! Denuncias are being placed individually and the more the better!!

It's all gone very quiet - what's currently happening?

Was the entity formed last Thursday?

Are people paying the latest €200 demanded?

Are people being cut-off?

Good news just recieved from the admin company for the urbanisation their is a meeting at NEW YORKS (old happy days) on Monday 22 dec at 10.00 for the community to be signed over to us so could everyone please attend this is very important

Many thanks

Andy

Andy,

Good to hear some positive action is occurring.

When you mention 'New Yorks (old happy days)', do you mean that Happy Days has re-opened under a different name/management? Is it still a bar/restaurant and is it owned by that wonderful Antonio fella?

Cheers.

Yes thats correct it has new management

Not everyone has access to Eye on Spain and therefore i wonder how they will notified about the meeting,so much for the committee keeping us all informed.We are not mind readers!

Thanks for your vote of confidence please post with yur name and i will personally take thiss issue up with you my personal phone bill for me last month was €290 euros keeping people informed i have asked everyone for their e-mail addresses and i post on eye on spain and for so if you feel you can do a better job of keeping people informed please feel free to step up to the job