Words from the Taray Team

This afternoon we had a head to head with Taray, and the following is as told to us.   We have neither embellished nor exaggerated anything, nor hopefully missed anything important.

L.F.O.s.....LFOs cannot be applied for, untill each phase has been completed. Spanish beurocracy demands, that five people must all do exactly the same job, which culminates in LFOs being granted = PHASE BY PHASE = approx 2 - 3 months after that phase has been completed.   We do NOT have to wait untill the entire complex has been finished !   Taray admit that they have had no previous dealings with the particular office concerned, but from their previous experiences within Murcia, 2 - 3 months is the average.

Builders electricity and water.......While waiting for the LFOs to be granted, which upon receipt you can be connected to the mains, all electricity and water will be freely provided by Taray.   The electricity is NOT provided from a generator, but is taken from the main grid, so there should be no problems with spikes or surges.    Water...the only problem that may arise while on builders supply, could be a drop in pressure due to heavy demand. Taray guarantee the quality of the water.    

Telefonica......Once LFOs have been issued, Tarays advice is, to apply as a group, as individuals can wait years !!! and a block of connections is far more likely to bring early success - but remember - we are talking about Telefonica !!

Quad owners.......There is no truth in the rumours, that inner owners will pay more urb fees than outer owners !  The only people who will pay slightly more, are the end owners who have bigger plots.   Inside owners will be issued with an electronic key for the carpark gate...ALL owners will be issued with a manual key for the pedestrian gate.  Thus the community will not be split, and there should be no need for animosity.        The car park will have lines painted and numbered for ease of use.

General.....No dishes or aerials will be permitted on roofs...there are community dishes and aerials, and the programs will be dictated by your individual decoders and whatever package you choose........................................Sheds, will be permitted, but must be agreed by all residents through a committee..................................The house numbers, as was when you first signed, will be changed...................................When this complex has been completed, there are plans to build on the land where the present site office now stands, Taray already own this land.

We hope this information will be of  comfort to some of you who were worried, especially the LFO issue.

We reiterate, these are words from the Taray team, and hopefully all will come to pass.

Hi Sheila & Alan

Thanks very much for the update from your visit toTaray & the news is somewhat reassuring. It's a pity that everyone at Taray does not sing off the same hymn sheet, because as you know Carrie in the customer services department enquired for us last week when we there & came back & told us the information about the LFO not being granted until the whole site was finished which was also confirmed by our solicitor. Heyho we'll get there in the end!!!

Mind you the info about the key to the gates is the same as we were told last week so at least that's consistent. It is good to know that we will all be able to integrate as the inner walkways do have a calming influence of peace & tranquility.

Have you found out any info on decoders for the satellite system i.e costs or monthly charges? I suppose it depends who supplies you.

It is also good to hear something positive about builders supply!!!!!

Sheila - I think we owe you a really big cup of tea when we're next over (or a nice big box of English tea bags of any brand you prefer???!!!)

Thanks once again for the reassurance & look forward to seeing you again at the end of the month

Kind Regards Sue & David

Hi Sheila, Allan, Sue & Dave,

Elaine and I are over this weekend and we will also try and pin down exactly how long it is likely to take to get this licence issued. There is a huge difference between 2/3 months and end of 2008 ! How can Taray give you both two completely different answers ? I just don't understand this!!  It makes me think they are doing this deliberately. Why, I don't know ?

What criteria needs to be met for this licence to be in place ? If the pool, clubhouse, gardens etc.. are not built yet, then surely Taray has not provided  to us, what we contracted to buy from them?  Therefore I don't see how they can apply for this licence for our phase?

Maybe it'll be clearer next week. Who knows. My heart says this spring sometime, but my head says 18 / 24  months.

Regards,

Ken.

Hi Ken & Elaine

We have today had an email from our solicitor saying the property should be registered by end of next week - 16 Feb & also saying that the certificate of habitation will follow one month and a half approximately after completion. A very different story to last week when both Taray & the solicitor were saying that the LFO would be at the end of the site. Its very confusing so look forward to you findings

Hope the sun shines for your visit

Kind Regards Sue & David

Would anybody know if a mortgage would be granted on the property without the LFO? , and has anybody moved in yet?

Would be grateful for any answers

Thank you

Hi Sheila & Alan,

Thanks for finding and publishing all that information.

In my own mind, though, there is still a loose end - you say that the LFOs should be granted 2-3 months after the completion of each phase, but do we know when phase 1 is scheduled for completion? I'm thinking in particular of the inside row of single villas, which we understood (when we bought, but could be mistaken) to be part of phase 1, as well as the green area bounded on 2 sides by Calle Melocotonero and Calle Limonero. Have the villas and the green area been moved to phase 2, otherwise we're still going to have a long wait for LFOs?

Best regards,

Kevin & Sheila

Hi Kevin & Sheila

On the plan we were given of the whole site when we purchased in May 2006,

Manzana 1 is the penthouses & bungalows (98 dwellings) in the blocks near to the show penthouse

Manzana 2 is the detached villas (16 dwellings)

Manzana 3 - our quads (52 dwellings)

Manzana 4 - Next block of quads starting on the other side of the road to us (40 dwellings)

Manzana 5 - More quads (76 dwellings)

Manzana 6 - Rest of the apartments (76 + 36 dwellings)

Don't know if this has changed at all, because on the plan for Manzana 4 quads these were shown as detached in blocks of 4 & they look more like a terrace row now that they have started building.

I wonder if the LFO is granted in blocks & if they can go out of sequence i.e could they grant manzana 3 before manzana 2, because as you rightly say the rest of the villas are a long way off being completed. Or is your understanding that Manzanas 1,2,& 3 are all Phase 1? Confusing?

We are totally bemused by this LFO as the information keeps changing, as you know our solicitor told us on Monday that it would be granted one month & a half (guess that means 6 weeks!) after completion, but only last week both the solicitor & Carrie at Taray said it would be the end of the development

Look forward to hearing how Ken & Elaine get on whilst they are out there.

Kind Regards Sue & David

Hi Kevin & Sheila

Read your query, and we have just phoned Taray, and the answer we got was - the inside row of detached villas, are on phase 2 !  Hope this eases your mind.  

Alan & Sheila

Sorry to appear a bit of a sceptic, but it is considered acceptable business practice in Spain to say whatever you think the other person wants to hear when you are dealing with a potentially inflammatory situation, just to get someone out of your face/off the phone, as words can always be denied at a later date.

Therefore, unless anyone specifically has it in writing from Taray that the LFO will be applied for ASAP then I am afraid I will believe it when I see it in place.  This could be simply a ruse to get people to complete, and then an excuse could follow which means no LFO until the site is completely finished.

I am not saying for one minute that this WILL happen, but it is a distinct possibility.

If it is an issue, can I suggest that anyone who feels sufficiently concerned should ask their legal representative to get something in writing from Taray (although I think it highly unlikely that they will confirm anything at all in writing).  Equally you can e mail them yourselves.

I would actually advise this with ANY question you might have for Taray.  Reading these threads already you can see that there are different stories coming out of Taray, depending upon who you speak to there.

Sue & David,

Our understanding from when we signed up was that manzanas 1, 2 & 3 as you define them were designated as phase 1, as well as the green area. From what you say, the detached villas (2 rows of 8?) are manzana 2, but according to Sheila & Alan the inner row of 8 are in phase 2.

Okay, in that case it leaves open the possibility that LFOs may be applied for in the next 2-3 months.

Sheila & Alan, thanks for finding out this information.

Best regards,

Kevin & Sheila

Morning all,

Just to maybe add a bit more 'fuel to the fire' we have been told by our solicitors that on completion we will have to pay Taray '300€ in cash for the management of the water and electricity contracts'.

Not that I'm suspicious or anything, but I just wondered if anybody else been told the same thing by their solicitors...?

Best wishes,

Frances & Les.

Les and Francis, thanks for the info much appreciated. Our completion date is March this year but sadly with a mortgage.

We had visions of not being able to complete for about 18 months without the LFO. Hopefully all will go as planned.

Thanks again, sure we will meet eventually!

Regards

Pat and Jim

Les & Frances,

I think the 300 euros is correct, or at least consistent with our experience. In a note we received from our solicitors detailing the total balance outstanding there is an item entitled 'water & electricity 300,00'. Our money is in place ready for completion, so it looks like we've already paid this.

Regards,

Kevin & Sheila

Hi All

We queried with our solicitor this week as the 300 euros is on our final bill & we felt that this should not have to be paid  until the LFO has been granted, but our solicitor has replied to say that it is paid on completion & held by Taray & then the utilities will automatically be set up in our name once the LFO has been granted - we'll wait & see !!!!!!

Kind  Regards Sue & David