Sierra Golf looking to buy

Nicho9713, IanR, and Birdman, Just to let you know we have no intention whatsoever of knocking on anyone's door and telling them we own half their property. That's why we went to Court. We found this quite insulting as we llove Sierra Golf, the area and the people and have visited many times just to keep up with what is happening. We were sad to hear of the pool closing and the struggle to keep the Golf course open and looked forward to the day it would finally be the beautiful, friendly place it was advertised to be, with swimming pools, hotel, shopping complex etc, yes I still have all the brochures.  What we are trying to raise awareness of is the fact that crooks and the criminals are still around and still taking advantage of vulnerable people looking for their dream home in the sun. We wish all the new residents, a great future on Sierra Golf, we would jump at the chance again if we had the money.  HOWEVER, what we have been trying to advise people is BEWARE, use independent lawyers, who will scrutinise your contract, and all the paperwork, DONT be ripped off, make sure the person signing the Contract is the person selling the property and headed on the contract. So Good Luck to Sierra Golf and ALL its residents.

Out of all of these exchanges I still have not seen a response to the basic query., when people originally bought on this development from MASA wher they given bank guarntees, if not why not and why didn't people insist and same for their lawyers

If there was no COH issued on these properties, which is easy to check then they were NEVER legally completed by the builder so NEVER able to be handed over so there would be a claim under the BG system in Spain

In the case of our clients NOBODY hands over a single Euro to the new owners until the paperwork is all on place and the property is fully reformed and professionally checked, only then do they move to completion, a process that will take around 8 weeks

Now they have sold more than 25 properties and there are only Greens, Eagles, Milleniums and Ryders left on this batch so we have to wait for the next batch to be legalised as we have a waiting list for Open and Albratros properties and they have increased the prices again

The buying process now from deposit, through legal checks, the reforming of the property, snagging final checks, wukk take 6-8 weeks but there are Albatros prroperties around the entrance where the works are already done to we have completiions next week , but there are many agents still viewing

Changing the subject I understand that MASA never gave any BG's to clients and money was paid straight into the developers account. Then this company  went into receivership, a subsidery of MASA, and people lost the money and evem the ability to action the Court judgements

There were a few things that I still don't understand, because even over that period, I was publishing articles and giving advice, about the importance of the BG, a legal requirement in Spain even then, what did te lawyers, that acted for the buyers say or do for their clients and did anybody speak the bank, that would have financed the build over that period

Also there are real legal actions that have succeeded, against the banks,  where the money was paid and where no BG was provided where they have still been found responsible and evem though they did not issue a BG they have had to repay the buyers that lost money

The biggest problem with all of this is that the Spanish legal system takes so long to do anything and is so expensive so  you have to pay upfront but it is soemthing that buyers who have lost their moeny should be looking at and taking advice on but it is ALWAYS cheaper, if you know people in the same situation, to join together in an action

hi inspectorhomes you did not answer my thread about the community pool ...i will say again its NOT  and never has been a community pool and people had to pay to use it daily...............dennis

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First of all most if not all of the properties are having their own pools but also they have been told that use of the pool is paid for, especially when you explain that there are currently no community fees

Next today I have been with the lawyer we use for completions, she advised me that yes there is now an established lega;l precedent to obtain refunds from the banks whrere there is no BG. The process will take at least 2 years and that she offers a NO WIN NO FEE servuces but charges 20% of any money returned as her fee

Most importantly you must have proof of transfer, the bank details and a copy of original contract

I will not put their details on here but if anybody would like them please PM me and she is already acting for a few Sierra Golf customers

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It always amazes me when people who really don't understand what is really happening in Spain want to snipe on here and then we waste time replying, especially when you try to help and like me have had so many expert articles published on this subject

anywaytge way that we operate is, prior to any visit we provide names of 5 lawyers, all of which do no work for our company, so that they can do their own research and typically this includes people including Imont, Abad, fuster, a parra Gonlez, and Sun Lawyers but we do not recommend any specific lawyer, the buyer decides

Please tell me is that OK advice Birdman because obviously you are in this industry and know much more than me who has been advising people for the last 12 years 

I can't see these new properties being so much of a great build quality, and the same for the fixtures & fitting,with prices around 60k upwards, they must be able to build them very cheaply, If the so called new bought the land ( if they did, it must have been for peanuts ) then the cost of advertising them, plus the agents cut, probably around 10 % I am sure inspector Roy will say different. Just saying.

Newworld, have you been to Sierra Golf? Or is your assertion based on your limited knowledge of the area and guess work?  Sierra Golf has had a difficult time over the last few years as has many other areas.  The builder walked away leaving the area in need of finishing.  The properties are not new build, they were manged (if that's the right term) by administrators who have now sold the properties (which were originally on the market for between 125,000€ and 170,000€) cheaply and the surrounding building land.  The properties are now on sale at a price which, one assumes, gives the investors thier money back, being greedy in relation to price is not realistic, so low cost properties are the norm RIGHT ACROSS THE REGION not just at Sierra Golf, look at United Golf as an example, 100k plus luxury apartments now 33k buy 2 for 50k, I suppose they must be rubbish as well?  In fact look in Valencia or Andulacia all suffering.  So your patronising "just saying" comment directed at inspectorhomes is unjustified.  If your comments are based on fact reveal them, if not they are totally unwelcome, just saying

This message was last edited by IanR on 17/10/2015.

IanR---- (1)Thanks for the history of SG but i dont need thanks, i was on site one time when the solar panels where taken from the roof, (2)This is from inspectorhomes prev post  (Urmosa  have also bought the land which is a big attraction because the property market has picked up and there is scope there to build ,many more NEW type properties) These are the new build i am talking about, (3) Yes i have been SG and dont like the place, very old fashioned looking design of property typical of Masa the same as Camposol  EACH TO THERE OWN.( 4 )  I dont need to look at United Golf I know it well thanks much better and nicer resort than SG and the F&F are better than SG. I know the new builder is finishing off these properties and replacing things that are missing ( stolen ) So go and have a swim at the pay as you go pool.JUST SAYING

IanR YOU QUOTE ( look at United Golf as an example, 100k plus luxury apartments now 33k buy 2 for 50k) you say 2 for 50k where do get these figures from, because i was chatting with guy from the selling bank Solvia last week and he was not selling them 2 for 50k, Here are the facts NOT the fiction.

NUM	FLOOR	M2	BR	BATH.	GAR.	STORAGE		DISC.		FROM	STATUS
23	2	51	2	2	N	N				€31,500
21	2	51	2	2	N	N				€42,000
5	2	51	2	2	N	N				€42,000
1	2	55	2	2	N	N				€40,500
21	3	51	2	2	N	N				€43,000
23	3	58	2	2	N	N				€32,300

Thank you inspectahomespain for your helpful information.  I have no idea why anyone chooses to attack you personally, when as well as selling properties you always provide much useful information, as you did when many of us completed in our purchases in 2008.

Sadly, there have been many who lost their money and their homes, mainly through the corruption of the developer, the banks and the Spanish legal system. The cost of pursuing each or any of these entities was way too much money to even open a case with a solicitor (in some cases 10k euros), let alone have to keep paying for years ahead in the open ended system of tennis commonly known as the Spanish Courts.  It's not surprising that people are still angry.  

But for those posters on here like birdman and newworld who are tring to talk down SG and those who support it - please just go away and pontificate somewhere else.  

Newworld, so they're not around the 33k mark?? And yes it came from United golf.  Just because you don't like SG does not give you the right to come here and slag people off or the development.  New houses aren't being built and sold for 60k THERE ARE NO NEW BUILDS... get your facts right.  Reread inspectorhomes' post which you quote, it says nothing about selling new builds, merely the scope to do so.   As regards United Golf, the fact that a tower block is having to be demolished the golf course that isn't there (nor will ever be redeveloped) no bars and shops etc., in fact there is absolutely nothing there..... Obviously you know it so well that you would promote this over SG.  I have my own pool thanks so don't need to use the pool bar, but at least you acknowledge there will be more than one bar.  SG is a good place with good people, the site is being redeveloped and is a good place to be throwing stones from a distance isn't helpful to anyone patronising arrogance isn't a good thing.

Hi new world it seems your not keen on Sierra golf which is good as you sound like a right. Ssssssssssssssss just saying 

IanR what a complete joke you are, you come on here telling me I am slagging  SG off,and your doing the same with UGR, Why is that ?  Look at your post again it was You that brought up the UGR not me with your silly story of 2 for 50k and now your saying they are are around 33k ( from the figures I've given you  )  so times 2 x 33 = ? Is not 50k is it Show me where I've slagged people off in my post , again another made up story from you .And you say what gives me the right to come on here and say whatever, Just like you are doing. And as for the closed  golf course at UGR  won't be redeveloped, Do you no that as fact, of course you don't  Lets see how long the golf  at SG stays open as it was shutting down every other not to long ago, maybe the new builder is helping it run at the moment while he sells his properties, then after that. Gone And it's not I would that I am promoting UGR over SG remember you brought UGR up, but yes I would pick that resort all day over SG because I don't like it, so get over not everybody what to live on SG, 

This message was last edited by newworld on 18/10/2015.

It might be better if this conversation was continued in private .

Back to my original thread, if anyone has any pictures of the SG site with all it's recent development that they could possibly share that would be useful and much appreciated as I am not able to visit the site for a few weeks. Thank you to everyone who has contributed so far.

Nojazz, there some pictures on the FB SG Comunity page, not a great deal but will give you an indication of the work being done.

As for where one should live it's really down to personal choice, we bought in SG earlier this year having looked around a lot of the other areas and resorts and each offers a uniqueness and not all suits everyone's tastes.  Why am I stating this rather obvious statement, because we are all different and if getting a little irate on here and slagging each other off is the order of the day then perhaps they have not understood why we have a forum, each to there own and we are all different so can we be informative instead of going for the lowest blow.  In short grow up!

On a final note Newworld, calm down a little, I live on SG, I see what is happening everyday, I play golf with people from UGR who live there who tell me what is happening and get information first hand from their community meetings, also prices etc,etc... It is ashame your inaccuracies are based on your visit to SG and it would seem UGR a long time ago and haven't  seen first hand what is happening now or the state of places.  Me 'slagging' UGR off, no, merely using it as an example of what is happening to many places in the area.  Just saying

And as for being a joke, you're right - you win and I bow to your laser like astute ability in being able to weigh people up on a forum, kudos to you my friend.  I'm the one walking around with my head bowed, fearing to look at those around me pointing and laughing.  I feel so guilty.... I just wish I wasn't so withdrawn and could connect with people in a more positive way I really need to take my wife's advice and give it a rest, so I will.  Goodbye sweet thread, it's been good knowing you...............

IanR,  I was on UGR 2 WEEKS AGO---You play golf with people from UGR who live there who tell me what is happening .Well i dont think they will want to play golf with you after they have seen you slagging off there homes/resort, AND DONT TRY AND BACK TRACK ON WHAT YOU SAID--------READ IT AGAIN  As regards United Golf, the fact that a tower block is having to be demolished the golf course that isn't there (nor will ever be redeveloped) no bars and shops etc., in fact there is absolutely nothing there).            If thats not slagging some place off, what is.You said on a final note as if you was gone, and now your adding txt to old post whats that all about ? So go and play golf while you can, as your so called UGR mates will soon not be your mates, And please dont walk round with your head down, as theres a good chance you could get knocked down with all the tumble weed that flys round the place.  adios                 Just saying