An Englishman Abroad?

 Bobaol, HOORAY! for the voice of reason!

WORLD TRAVEL MARKET
ExCel London,
London, Londres, Royanne-Uni/UK/Reino Unido 
 from wtm london  com 

and

So when you tune in and listen to Engelbert Humperdink belting out Love Will Set You Free on behalf of Royanne Uni, spare a thought for those Azerbaijanis who aren’t free and hope that the spotlight on the human rights abuses there won’t disappear once the Eurovision train leaves town.
(from  amnesty.org.uk/blogs/press-release-me-let-go/azerbaijans-nul-points)

(I'm not allowed to post links)

And by the way, I'm female - so be very afraid!

I'm retiring now from this thread to rest my Blue eyes.

 "Oh, and I've searched and searched but Royanne Uni is not a phrase used in any language whatsoever, including Eurovisionese!  Reino Unido as, after all, this is Eye on Spain."

Sounds like one of those teenage popstars to me, you know the type that wears a skimpy outfit, can't sing, can't dance but has a massive following of confused zombies.

Bobaol.   As a fellow Welsh personage, you surely know that football is an irrelevance in God's country.  We are the masters of the Grand Shalom (as our French visitors called it this year in Cardiff, where we finished them off).  El rugby is the game; lots of  really difficult rules which it takes a degree to understand, not just the offside rule, which as a female of the species holds no fear for me.

Look, this could go round in circles for ever.My point was that it is a cheap shot to single out the minority of english people who behave 'oddly' when all groups and nationalities have their embarrasing minorities.

eg Last week we were in Competa in a lovely bar in the square. I'm not fluent, but it's not hard to order in Spanish when everything on the menu is in both languages anyway, and the staff really appreciate it because they speak very little english. There was a French family who kept asking 'does anyone working here speak english', the staff said 'only a little', because they worry about getting out of their depth. The family kept asking questions in english and were asking for changes to items on the menu and for things not on the menu. They were very loud and unpleasant and complained about the food and the staff (who are lovely) were at their wits end.

When the waiter had cleared the table and went home he was replaced by his brother and they asked him for a coke at the end of the meal. They realised the new guy didn't know they'd eaten and so paid for only the coke before quickly leaving before anyone could react. The owner realised and was livid, but I doubt whether he holds it against french people generally.

In summary, slagging off english minority behaviour is lazy and unpleasant - were not all saints but neither are any other nationality, but it seems easy to criticise but we rarely speak up - as I said earlier - cut out the lazy stereotyping and band wagon jumping and take people as you find them - simples

ps my last comments were to robert8696 mainly.

pps it's Royaume Uni actually robert - but only in french - in spanish it's Reino Unido

ppps If we want to be pedantic we should get it right -  Northern Ireland is not part of Great Britain, but is inside the United Kingdom, The British Isles includes the former plus the whole of Ireland.

 Otivar, you say,

"ppps If we want to be pedantic we should get it right -  Northern Ireland is not part of Great Britain, but is inside the United Kingdom, The British Isles includes the former plus the whole of Ireland."

This article is about the sovereign state. For the Island, see Great Britain. For other uses, see United Kingdom (disambiguation).

United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
Flag
Anthem: "God Save the Queen"[nb 1]
Location of  United Kingdom  (dark green) – in Europe  (green & dark grey) – in the European Union  (green)  —  [Legend]
Capital (and largest city)		London 51°30′N 0°7′W
Official language(s)		English[1][2]
Recognised regional languages		Irish, Scottish Gaelic, Scotsand Ulster Scots, Welsh,Cornish[nb 2]
Ethnic groups (2001 See: UK ethnic groups list[4])		92.1% White 4.0% South Asian 2.0% Black 1.2% Mixed 0.4% Chinese 0.4% Other
Demonym		British or Briton
Government		Unitary parliamentaryconstitutional monarchy
-	Monarch	Queen Elizabeth II
-	Prime Minister	David Cameron MP
Legislature		Parliament
-	Upper house	House of Lords
-	Lower house	House of Commons
Formation
-	Acts of Union 1707	1 May 1707
-	Acts of Union 1800	1 January 1801
-	Anglo-Irish Treaty	12 April 1922
Area
-	Total	243,610 km2 (80th) 94,060 sq mi
-	Water (%)	1.34
Population
-	Mid-2010 estimate	62,262,000[5] (22nd)
-	2001 census	58,789,194[6]
-	Density	255.6/km2 (51st) 661.9/sq mi
GDP (PPP)		2012 estimate
-	Total	$2,308.503 Billion[7]
-	Per capita	$36,605.022[7]
GDP (nominal)		2012 estimate
-	Total	$2,452.689 Billion[7]
-	Per capita	$38,891.321[7]
Gini (2008–09)		41[8]
HDI (2011)		0.863[9] (very high) (28th)
Currency		Pound sterling (GBP)
Time zone		GMT (UTC+0)
-	Summer (DST)	BST (UTC+1)
Date formats		dd/mm/yyyy (AD)
Drives on the		left[nb 3]
ISO 3166 code		GB
Internet TLD		.uk[nb 4]
Calling code		44
1	A second coat of arms is used in Scotland

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland,^{[nb 5]} commonly known as the United Kingdom (UK) or Britain, is a sovereign state located off the north-western coast of continental Europe. The country includes the island of Great Britain, the north-eastern part of the island of Ireland, and many smaller islands. Northern Ireland is the only part of the UK that shares a land border with another sovereign state—the Republic of Ireland.^{[nb 6]} Apart from this land border the UK is surrounded by the Atlantic Ocean, the North Sea, the English Channel and the Irish Sea.

So, Otivar , the UK DOES NOT have Southern Island as a member state of the UNITED KINGDOM, and if you read the above passage it is a REPUBLIC in its own right, and note the first sentence, "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland,^{[nb 5]} commonly known as the United Kingdom (UK) or Britain, is a sovereign state located off the north-western coast of continental Europe" So the former DOES NOT include the whole of Ireland.

And as you are being pedantic, which is a comment i used in reply to Blueeyes, but which you seem to have attached yourself to, yes, YOU SHOULD get it right.

And in answer to your story about thieving French, there are undesirables in any nation, thats what police anywhere deal with, but i never asked about law breaking people in my original thread, it was people who come from the British Isles (broadly speaking and recognised worldwide as "English") basically moving to a new country of residence and having an attitude once they are there. I made no accusation of ANY English person (from Great Britain, the U.K.) being a law breaking thief.

 PS Otivar, This makes the countries of England , Wales and Scotland the countries on the mainland, and which are collectively known as GREAT BRITAIN, and with the protectorate of Northern Ireland also it then makes the UNITED KINGDOM.

PPS, i am pretty sure the Irish from the Republic would be horrified to hear they are part of the United Kingdom, and you have probably destroyed the Anglo-Irish peace treaty by doing so!

PPPS,In summary,

" slagging off english minority behaviour is lazy and unpleasant - were not all saints but neither are any other nationality, but it seems easy to criticise but we rarely speak up - as I said earlier - cut out the lazy stereotyping and band wagon jumping and take people as you find them - simples"

May i say i am not slagging off anyone, i am not stereotyping or bandwagon jumping either as if i was doing any of the things you are implying  it would  include ALL residents of the United Kingdom, not just a minority

 But he didn't say that the Republic of Ireland was a part of the UK.  He said that the British Isles comprises the island of Great Britain, the island of Ireland (and all the other islands around).

Great Britain in this context means big or large.  The island of Great Britain is the one that contains England, Scotland and Wales as it is the biggest of the British Isles.  All Ireland (north and south) are part of the British Isles and does not mean that it is one country.  The United Kingdom comprises the island of Great Britain plus Northern Ireland.  I can't see where otivar is insuating otherwise.  

The British Isles also refer to the Isle of Man, Jersey, Guernsey and the other channel islands even though they are not a part of the United Kingdon.  There are some 6,000 islands that comprise the British Isles, one of which happens to be Ireland.  

As you like wikipedia, this one explains it British Isles and not United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland which is a totally different subject.

 Bob, you should read the narrative on wikipedia as it is written as follows,

"The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland,^{[nb 5]} commonly known as the United Kingdom (UK) or Britain, is a sovereign state located off the north-western coast of continental Europe. The country includes the island of Great Britain, the north-eastern part of the island of Ireland, and many smaller islands."

So the United Kingdom of BRITAIN is inclusive of the ISLAND of Great Britain (which is England Wales and Scotland) AND the NORTH EASTERN PART of the ISLAND of Ireland. (and many smaller islands)

So if you look at Otivars sentence, 

" Northern Ireland is not part of Great Britain, but is inside the United Kingdom, The British Isles includes the former plus the whole of Ireland."

So Northern Ireland is not part of the British Isles as it is PART OF the island of Ireland, but as a British protectorate it is part of the United Kingdom Of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, The British Isles does not include the former plus the whole of Ireland.

Ireland is an island in its own right and has nothing to do with Britain, but, Northern Island is part of the United Kingdom as it is a PROTECTORATE, why do you think the BRITISH ARMY has been considered an army of occupation by both Southern AND Northern Irish people during the troubles there?

Anyway, what does this geography lesson have to do with the original thread of "An Englishman Abroad"? 

 Read it again.  Slowly this time.  Especially the very first line of my link:

The British Isles are a group of islands off the northwest coast of continental Europe that include the islands of Great Britain, Ireland and over six thousand smaller isles.

Northern Ireland has never been a British protectorate.  I don't think the Britsh Army was ever considered an army of occupation by anyone but the republicans.  

You are getting your "Great Britain", "United Kingdom" and "British Isles" mixed up, I'm afraid.  They are three, totally different, things.

Bit like Grand Bahama doesn't mean grand in the modern sense but the Spanish version of Large Bahama.

Baboal says  'But he didn't say that the Republic of Ireland was a part of the UK. He said that the British Isles comprises the island of Great Britain, the island of Ireland (and all the other islands around).

Thanks for that Baboal, after the rant by the other fellow, I thought I was on another planet

 Rant? You are the one who is continuing on about the English, Great Britain,Wales and the Scots, oh and the Irish, Otivar. All i am doing is replying to your continuing "rant" as to "rant " is to continually carry on about the same subject constantly. Note I did not start some dispute about the countries of the United Kingdom and what it comprises, and i would still wish to know where your "rant" follows the original thread intended when it was started, as an "Englishman Abroad" would not be anywhere in the United Kingdom.

As to your remark Bobaol,

"Northern Ireland has never been a British protectorate.  I don't think the Britsh Army was ever considered an army of occupation by anyone but the republicans.  "

Look at  this Wikipedia page on the partition of Ireland,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_Ireland

It states,

"On 7 December 1922 the houses of the Parliament of Northern Ireland^[3] approved an address to the British King, George V, requesting that its territory not be included in the Irish Free State. This was presented to the King the following day, and then entered into effect, in accordance with the provisions of Section 12 of the Irish Free State (Agreement) Act 1922.^[4]

Following independence the southern state gradually severed all remaining constitutional links with the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the British King. In 1937 the Free State was renamed to "Ireland" (a reflection of the fact that the state then claimed sovereignty over the whole of the island). In 1949 the state was declared to be a republic, under the Republic of Ireland Act."

So from the 7 December 1922 the Parliament of Northern Ireland requested not to be included in the Irish free state, and to form the country of the United Kingdom and Northern Ireland, with other member countries. It remains the same to this day, and is afforded the PROTECTION of the United Kingdom, which is why  it is a protectorate of the Union.

 Oh dear, this is getting silly now.  I'm afraid you don't know what you are talking about.  You put that last bit in at the bottom. 

A British protectorate is a country where the Queen provides "protection" but is self-governed.  We don't have any left now but the Solomon Islands was the last one.  Barbados and most of the Caribbean countries were also British Protectorates. 

We now have British Overseas Territories like Gibraltar and The Falklands.

Northern Ireland can hardly be a "protectorate" as they have MPs at Westminster which is why it is a part of the United Kingdom.  As is Wales and Scotland and England.  

Amazing how the Brit knows so much about other countries yet knows so little about the history of his own.

All this bickering put you proud English in very poor light, this means you are dull.

Oh dear, you're right as usual Baboal, but I think you're wasting your time to be honest.

Robert wants the last word whether he knows what he's on about or not (my vote is not). It is amusing though, others only have to type a couple of sentences and off goes Robert on one of his long rants - tranquillo

 Bobaol and Otivar i think you should both read the Wikipedia page, 

"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protectorate  "

It reads under the heading "British and Commonwealth Protectorates"  "A protectorate, in the British Empire, is a territory which is not formally annexed but in which, by treaty, grant or other lawful means, the Crown has power and jurisdiction."

and as the UK has never annexed Northern Ireland, and we have a treaty with Northern Ireland,

"On 7 December 1922 the houses of the Parliament of Northern Ireland^[3] approved an address to the British King, George V, requesting that its territory not be included in the Irish Free State. This was presented to the King the following day, and then entered into effect, in accordance with the provisions of Section 12 of the Irish Free State (Agreement) Act 1922.^[4]"

It only follows that Northern Ireland is a protectorate, which is also proven by the true title of the UK, "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland"  the title of the UK is like this as Scotland and Wales were forced into Union by the English, whereas the Northern Irish asked to be included by treaty, and so are a PROTECTORATE. This is why they have their own political system, and their politicians are allowed to sit in English Parliament, just as are the Welsh and the Scots

I am not going to write any more on the subject, as both of you are trying to make something of an issue of the UK and its member states, and like i have said before , lets get back to the original thread....................

So as we said earlier but without all the obsessive over detail - england, wales and scotland = GB, the 3 former plus NI = UK, and all those plus the whole island of Ireland (+some small bits and bobs) = the british isles - now you've finally come round to what we said all along can we move on

hasta luego

 "So as we said earlier but without all the obsessive over detail - england, wales and scotland = GB, the 3 former plus NI = UK, and all those plus the whole island of Ireland (+some small bits and bobs) = the british isles - now you've finally come round to what we said all along can we move on"

I have already moved on , the whole of Ireland  would include Northern Ireland, which as i just stated is a PROTECTORATE of THE UNITED KINGDOM, thats why the full UK title is, "THE UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN, AND NORTHERN IRELAND" , NOT JUST, "The United Kingdom. Ireland is a Republic in the south and is a country in its own right, nothing to do with the UK in any way shape or form. Any self respecting Southern Irishman would tell you they live in the REPUBLIC OF IRELAND , and not Great Britain..............

..........Sighs...............

You say -- Ireland is a Republic in the south and is a country in its own right, nothing to do with the UK in any way shape or form. Any self respecting Southern Irishman would tell you they live in the REPUBLIC OF IRELAND , and not Great Britain..............

And as I said they are part of the British Isles, not Great Britain - I wouldn't insult their intelligence by saying otherwise - yours however appears to be of more concern