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Electricity prices due to go up in January have risen by far more than expected, with the part of a household's bill relating to government charges and taxes rocketing by 18 per cent.
Although minister for industry José Manuel Soria had already warned that the tariff based upon consumption would increase by 2.3 per cent on January 1 this year, the fact that the fixed fee element was about to soar has not been widely announced.
The element of electricity bills which goes into the government's pocket in taxes and charges totals 55 per cent of the consumer's invoice, and will now rise to 42.04 euros per kilowatt (kW). For most consumers, 45 per cent of the bill relates to consumption, which is dictated by the prices achieved in the three-monthly State 'auctions' of the energy supply franchise, and the remaining 55 per cent – the government's taxes and charges – covers transport, distribution, 'green' taxes, and other fees.
Does anyone know what percentage of the UK electricity bill goes towards taxes?
This message was last edited by eos_ian on 04/02/2014.
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5% VAT. 9% Green taxes Then there's 1% EU Energy Renewable Scheme 1% Carbon Price Floor (whatever that is) 1% Warm Home Discount. This is to cover the amount paid in Winter Fuel Allowances and over 75 discounts etc(you didn't think they were gifts, did you?) 1% To pay for the introduction of smart meters and smart billing. All in all, the price of the basic commodity in Spain is cheaper than UK but the taxes (especially the VAT at 21%) puts it higher. When all charges and taxes are taken into account, electricity will cost 22.3 cents per Kwh in Spain and 19.33 cents in UK (obviously depending on exchange rates). Spain is the 9th highest charging country in the EU behind places like Denmark, Germany and Austria. Ireland overtook Spain last year but these new rises may make Spain more expensive. (Unless Ireland has similar rises). The savings you make on one bottle of Rioja in Spain will pay for about 30 kwh of electricity in Spain. Let's keep a little perspective.
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I only use the house for holidays, although the cost of the electric is high its the standing charge that causes me concern. My supply as a 9.2Kw rating, which I have found out from my neighbours is more than double theres. I have asked Endesa to change the rating, but they tell me they will not do anything until I have a new meter installed.
the electric consumption on my latest bill is 20.50€ the total bill is 168.43€ including the IVA. Like all of Spains utility / phone companies, the attitude is allways the same. Take it or leave it.
As anyone had a simular experance?
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Yes, it's the standing charge that concerns us as well, although yours does seem extremely high. Our electricity is supplied by Iberdrola and costs over 50e every 2 months in charges. Like you, ours is a holiday home so often there is no electricity used. (we spend around 2 months in Spain twice a year) We are on the lowest potencia of 5.5kw. In early January we were charged two amounts of over 35e and 58e but can't really get a suitable explaination for this as we hadn't used any electricity since early November.We can only wait and see what we are charged next time. I'm not sure if they read the meter every month or every 2 months. We are signing up for online billing so that we can check it from the UK. Mind you, I am not sure if that will make much difference.
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Pat,
I just posted, on thread Cancel Utilities, my 2 month electric bill, as it would be if I had not used any power i.e. 34.24 euros
This message was last edited by johnzx on 04/02/2014.
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Hi I've just dug out my last bill I'm with endesa and really did not understand how it was worked out but thanks to posters on here light has been shed my potencia is 3.3kw small I know but adequate as its really only used for lights we dont need air con as walls so thick and use log burner in winter. Ive just extrapolated my standing charges for 12 months based on my last bill and it works out at 158.4 € including IVA plus electric used so not to much I'm hoping to add some solar panels if the government can get its act together, why everyone is not encouraged to put them up to get more free power into the grid is beyond, by the way in 44 days I uesd 2 kw of electric costing 25 cents and my bill was 18.46 €
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That's interesting, Johnzx. It would appear that your daily rate is lower than ours (our latest bill is. 5.75kw x 0,102697x the number of days charged). Would that be because of your lower potencia or perhaps because we are with a different supplier?
We have just signed up for an online account so that we could check this bill, as it appeared high. We have discovered that we have been charged 137.61kwh for a period that we were not in Spain and when the electricity was switched off.! We have emailed Iberdrola to try and find out why, as this was suppose to be an actual reading and not an estimate.
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Extog
We are on 4.4. The Standing Charge is based on the potencia. So yours on 5.75 is higher per day
Our meter is read centrally so we no longer get estimated bills. If you get estimated bills, then it may take two bills (4 months) to work out the consumption over that period.
Our last bill, for two months Dec and Jan was total of 144 euros
This message was last edited by johnzx on 04/02/2014.
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Thanks for our reply, Johnzx. It makes sense that our daily rate would be higher due to the higher potencia. We assumed that we were on the lowest potencia offered at 5.75 but it seems not. We are not sure if we still get estimated bills but the last one was definitely read.
We are waiting for a reply from Iberdrola as to why we have paid for electricity usage when no one was at our apartment and the elctricity was switched off.
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xetog, Take a look at https://www.iberdrola.es/02sica/clientesovc/iberdrola?IDPAG=ES2CALC_POTE wther you can estimate the potencia you require. 5.75 is not 'low'.
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Thanks Johnzx, will take a look.
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5.75 is now the lowest they will offer domestic customers as it is the optimum rating for modern housing and appliances. That's a maximum amperage of 25A. When the company fits its fuse in the house it will be rated at 25A. Some houses will still be as low as 3.3Kw which is not sufficient for things like cookers, kettles, toasters, fires etc but you would probably get by on holidays provided you don't switch too many things on at once. Some people will have 5.5Kw as this also gave 25A before voltage was increased to 230V a few years ago. The current price of about 1 cent per Kwh per day represents an increase of over 40% from a year ago. mariedav's OH
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Maridav, I cannot comment directly that the minimum is now 5.5 kw, But I did a check on the Iberdrola web page this morning, before I suggested to xetog that he talks a look there. I entered just a few appliances and got this:-
La potencia de contrato recomendada según el equipamiento indicado es 2,3 kW.
We (with Endesa) have 4.4 kw. with A/C (heating and cooling) in three rooms, cooker hob and oven, microwave, washing machine, fridge /freezer, at least one PC running all day plus most of the time another one and sometimes 2 Pcs, 2 TVs, Dvd, Sky satellite, 2 electric toldos, and all the usual electric DIY tools, toasters, vacuum cleaners and other kitchen and household appliances.
In 11 years, with 4.4 kw, an ICP 20v for several years, we have never had the power trip and have never restricted what appliances we have running at the same time.. Thus 4.4 kw, in our case, has proved ample.
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Yes, that would give you 20A with the old voltage. Quite sufficient and I didn't say it wasn't. I just mentioned the 3.3 is low, nothing about the 4.4.
But do you really have cooker hob and oven, microwave, washing machine, fridge /freezer, at least one PC running all day plus most of the time another one and sometimes 2 Pcs, 2 TVs, Dvd, Sky satellite, 2 electric toldos, and all the usual electric DIY tools, toasters, vacuum cleaners and other kitchen and household appliances.
All running at the same time? I bet it's a bit noisy trying to hear the TV over the power tools and mrs johnzx must be great at multitasking to operate the oven and hob whilst putting toast in the toaster, hoovering the carpets and operating the electric awnings at the same time.
Seriously, your :PC, DVD, satellite and so on will be drawing milliamps and the fridge freezer no more than 2A. The biggest power use will be the oven and hob which, if you have the oven and all hobs on at the same time, will still be well within the 20A. The TV will depend on plasma, LED/LCD or whatever but will put you nowhere near the power rating you have. It's when you have the oven/hob and an electric fire or two and then stick the kettle on that the problem might occur but probably not if you have 20A.
The 3.3 will only be 15A which is quite a significant drop.
My point was, if you buy a new house Iberdrola will fit a 25A ICP which is the 5.75Kwh rating (was 5.5 but voltage changed to 230V throughout Europe, Spain went up 10V and UK went down 10V).
Mr mariedave
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Yes, that would give you 20A with the old voltage. Quite sufficient and I didn't say it wasn't. I just mentioned the 3.3 is low, nothing about the 4.4.
But do you really have cooker hob and oven, microwave, washing machine, fridge /freezer, at least one PC running all day plus most of the time another one and sometimes 2 Pcs, 2 TVs, Dvd, Sky satellite, 2 electric toldos, and all the usual electric DIY tools, toasters, vacuum cleaners and other kitchen and household appliances.
All running at the same time? I bet it's a bit noisy trying to hear the TV over the power tools and mrs johnzx must be great at multitasking to operate the oven and hob whilst putting toast in the toaster, hoovering the carpets and operating the electric awnings at the same time.
Seriously, your :PC, DVD, satellite and so on will be drawing milliamps and the fridge freezer no more than 2A. The biggest power use will be the oven and hob which, if you have the oven and all hobs on at the same time, will still be well within the 20A. The TV will depend on plasma, LED/LCD or whatever but will put you nowhere near the power rating you have. It's when you have the oven/hob and an electric fire or two and then stick the kettle on that the problem might occur but probably not if you have 20A.
The 3.3 will only be 15A which is quite a significant drop.
My point was, if you buy a new house Iberdrola will fit a 25A ICP which is the 5.75Kwh rating (was 5.5 but voltage changed to 230V throughout Europe, Spain went up 10V and UK went down 10V).
Mr mariedave
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Dave, sorry missed the 3.3 reference.
My ‘running all day comment’ was regarding the PC. which I leave on all day. (I just did an estimation. It probably cost me about 15 euros a month to run the PC) but it's worth it to able to chat with all you guys all day !!!
I think that making customers pay for 5.75 kw is yet another rip off, clearly designed to ’Keep Spain for the Spanish’ !!!
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Johnzx, glad you leave the pc on all day as your posts are always informative. Prehaps your good buddy Baz has a view on this or at least will know someone probably a relation who has!
been a slow day at the lab.
Rossetti
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Johnzx, glad you leave the pc on all day as your posts are always informative. Prehaps your good buddy Baz has a view on this or at least will know someone probably a relation who has!
been a slow day at the lab.
Rossetti
Nope I have no view on this, as All my bills are paid via my solicitor and both my house's in Spain are owned by a company..Mine.
I don't really get to see to many of them, I just pay them, best way don't you think?
No relation of mine would know anything about these sort of bills, they only stay in the house's, as and when they want to, and I don't charge them for anything when they do.
Slow day at the lab you say...Are you saying the power was on low today for your Electric Crash Hat Treatment? What a coincidence that, considering these posts are all about electric.
Thank you for thinking of me today.
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With effect from 1st February, the cost of your basic contracted rate with Iberdrola will go up by 18%. The actual energy cost per Kwh will reduce by 1%.
This means that, if you are on the standard contracted rate of 5.75Kw, your annual bill (standing charge) including IVA and electricity taxes etc will be €306,80 per year. Divide that by 6 (51.13) and that will be your 2 monthly charge using no electricity at all.
Those permanent residents will see very little, if any, change in the cost but those having holiday homes will be hit hardest.
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Ouch! That is very depressing news for us holiday home owners. Most of us already struggle to maintain 2 homes, particularly pensioners like us. Without much hope of selling in the near future (our ideal solution) what can we do to reduce costs. Any bright ideas?
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