RYANAIR

Baz1946,

There is a line from a Clint Eastwood film - "...a man's gotta know his limitations"...(said slowly with snake eyes and a firmly clenched lower jaw).  Over the years I've done battle with several large companies, but only started when there was at least a small chance of success.

O'Leary must a happy man.  Clearly he lacks any ethical values, but he's bought a substantial market share at little cost - just a few 1p fares and the implied promise of more to come, which have now fizzled out.  He has driven out some of the competition and for many RyanAir is now the only option for some routes.

About 2 years ago there was a posting on EOS from a chap re a young female passenged who was publicly abused by a RyanAir ground staff member at Alicante.  There was little or no interest shown and then someone posted a U tube clip from another job's worth and the thread fizzled out.  So this thread is no surprise to me at all - the "I'm All Right Jack" culture still flourishes.

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Does anyone know anyone who reads T&C's of anything ?  Do you all , when downloading a programme to your computer , read all the T&C's ? or just click ' I agree'.

Might be 1 in a 100. The rest just tick it.

I actually read all the Ryanair T&C's on wednesday. There are some gaping loopholes  if you have a child or some sports items & want t carry extra weight.

Bus service- Yes many posters & o'leary himself have used this phrase. Has anyone ever been asked to pay extra to take there shopping on a bus ?

Has anyone ever been asked to pay extra to take there luggage on ?

What bus services do you know where the driver does not get paid whe he stops to pick up passengers ?

What bus services do you use where the conductor comes around flgging scratch cards, pies, all sorts of other old tat ?

Sorry but I find his business practices rather dubious & shoddy &  eventually he will have , as someone on another forum pointed out, a " Gerald Ratner " moment . He can't help himself.

 

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Just to set the record straight here is a posting from Ryanair website which is self explanatory. It is from their solicitors.

I believe that they would not start this very expensive legal case if the facts contained in the broadcast were not 100% true and honest. By the way they are also going after the pilot featured in the programme. The original posting  on here was about the C4 programme which we all seem to have deviated from slightly. Happy reading! Be aware those who do not tell the truth about our favourite Irishman

 

16 Aug - Ryanair Sues Channel 4 Dispatches

 

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..."our favourite Irishman"...!!! - that comment has to be tongue in cheek.  I would be surprised if he doesn't need protection on the streets in most places in Europe - particularly Spain.

But I grant you the man is a master of obtaining free publicity.  This announcement cost nothing, it is pure bluster yet it'll get their name in the media again, some might even be silly enough to believe it'll happen, so a double whammy with those.

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acer

If I may say so, your views on life in general seem quite naive and utopian. As we all take the benefits of living in a capitlaist free economy, then we must also be aware of the pitfalls of such commercial freedom. You are right that RA are essentially out to exploit lazy people who cant be bothered to comply. In a perfect world that wouldn't happen and there would be no stupid or lazy people either. Lazy people are quite often exploited in business situations.

However, that isnt reality (living in utopia). As I taught my daughter years ago - basically the world and his wife are out to shaft you royally. I told her if she choose to ignore this valuable information then it would cost her dearly over her lifetime. She is now as careful and mistrusting as me - rightly so. We never get scammed as a result.

RA are cashing in on the stupidity and laziness of people. It may be considered by some to be ethically wrong - but it sure aint illegal. They will never catch me out (I dont even buy a thing on board the plane ever). However, I have to admit that I welcome those who dont comply and pay extra - because if they didnt then base ticket prices would have to rise - and my costs would rise too.

I have a strong admiration for O'Leary because what he is doing in an ultra competitive market is amazing. Long may it continue and long may idiots pay more.

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JuanKerr.

You totally misquote me - I have never stated or implied that we should support lazy people.  Where on earth did that come from?

My comment was that the affect of their perverse culture is that they are discriminatory against disadvantaged and disabled folk.  Given half a chance they ruthlessly impose their money grabbing rules, yet they ignore the law when it suits them and shirk their social responsibilities.

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If you choose to refer to lazy and stupid people as disadvantaged and disabled, then you can refer to any company or person as discriminatory, or cruel. It's as easy as that. Wrong, but easy.

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Sorry Fartharder I don't follow your comment, but again I did not mention "lazy" people. I used the word "disadvantaged" by which I mean mentally or physically.

I was thinking about JuanKerr's comment and specifically he used the word "utopia" implying this was an objective -but he's got it the wrong way round.  RyanAir's culture is all about lowering standards and business ethics. I've encountered companies trying to impose hidden extras and an absence of transparency a la RyanAir.  It's not "striving for utopia" but more like "on a slippery slope into purgatory".

There have been several comments on this thread where the RyanAir users like to see others being fined as they think this will somehow keep fares cheaper for themselves - is this really what life is about?  I reckon this is a bit selfish, but in fairness, it's probably brought on by the RyanAir culture.

Incidentally I fly with EasyJet a dozen times a year or so.  IMHO they are massively better to fly with than RyanAir, hardly utopia, but their business model is very different and at least they do seem to respect their customers.

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ok I am back from holiday and didn't fly Ryanair!  I did actually forget that i flew with them once long ago,  in reply to the ** EDITED - Against forum rules ** that quoted that.  Perhaps that same ** EDITED - Against forum rules ** can look back over my postings regarding having had a rare head and neck cancer and the after effects.  Fartharder that's you I now  remember.  And we can trust you with only 26 postings can we?  So many trolls in and out of this site inciting people. For the record, and i think i have mentioned this before on here, i have what is known as "chemo brain" and do forget events and experiences  etc from the past and this was one of those occasions, so shoot me.  There are some very uncouth, offensive and ill-informed people on this forum.  Seems  anyone who expresses an opinion that doesn't fall in line with the status quo gets gunned down.  And for the record, I am free to express any opinion I may have about anything without fear of reprisal legally.   My photo on here is before my facial cancer, as a few people who have met me can testify to - Lorraine perhaps you are you reading this?  I am not surprised at all that many have left this site.  Perhaps a few of you would benefit from a refresher/ new course in some manners and a smattering of benevolence.  Or could it be that so many of you are so unhappy with your lives in the sun, or maybe too much of it; which is evident by your postings.  I am not usually in the habit of defending myself on here, but really some of you are so hostile I felt you needed to be enlightened that the typed word is often not fully encompassed on a forum.  So if you want to continue bitching at someone please practice this particular character defect at home or the beach and not on this forum! 

 

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I thought that this forum was intended to expres views and opinions on the topics posted with the idea of helping out a fellow ex pat, but I seem to have stumbled upon a real nasty vindictive bitch fight totally out of context or proportion to the topic of ryan air originally posted. For what its worth we have only purchased our property three months ago with a view of one day setling down here in the sun when our working life is over in the uk, to this end we have totally avoided areas where there are large groups of brits for the very reason we can see here with very sad people making silly offensive comments to others in a rude way . The empire is over we ARE in europe get over it and try to be nice and helpfull to those of us who have little or no experience of living in the beautiful country spain is. If you can't add sensible comments and respect others shut up and then we might see more people come onto this forum to vary the views away from rude bitching to others because they have nothing better to do with their sad boring life.

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Just read an article in Sol Times which illustrates the point being made.  The court in Mallorca has ruled that RyanAir must pay €1,222.26 for refusing to allow a family to board an aircraft on an internal due to RyanAir requiring them to provide different documentation to that required under Spanish law.

RyanAir had left them stranded in Barcelona, refusing to allow them to take the internal flight to Ibiza.

This is not the first such case, but it is quite absurd that RyanAir base their defence on this being within their Terms & Conditions which they seriously seem to have expected to rank higher than Spanish law.

I'm delighted to see it.  I get fed up by being told "it's against our company policy" by some jobsworth, when "their company policy" has been dreamt up by a few greedy prats in a board room generally for the purpose of unfairly exploiting their position.

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Just returned from Murcia to Leeds on Ryan Air both ways and have to say no complaints at all. The service was on time, hand luggage was put in the measuring cage at Leeds/Bradford and on the way back at San Javier all bags were weighed. Anyone with over 10 KG was made to pay extra .quite right too... No problem with this process as many passengers try to take the P.

Paid for priority boarding each way at £7 per head per trip . Worth it .

Arrived at MSJ  security screening just 10 minutes before gate closed and then just joined Priortity queue waiting to board. Ryan air check every ticket so putting a stop to cheats trying to jump the process.. another Plus . You cant bend the rules its as simple as that. On the flight the trolly service is bit dissorganised but prices are reasonable . CabinStaff are fine and not over officious, planes are modern and dont have the "dreaded recliner" in front of you with reasonable leg room and the journey both ways was good value for what we paid.

TRIBUTE must go to the kids on board our flights both ways and parents with them. We are retired but "hate to hear" people moaning about " Kids ".. as if they have no right to be abroad. ( lots of families at this time of the year ). Very often the subject of discussion about noisy behavior. Not on this flight.. no bother at all ( thank god for ipads) they were all very well behaved and Ryan Air is ideal for families travelling.  If you are in a big group its worth paying for PRIORITY BOARDING so you guarantee you can all sit together I would guess only 15% booked this option. Ryan Air did a good job for us and will fly with them again ..

 

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I have never flown with ryanair so will not comment on their service.  However I do see the adverse news about this man and his airline, which has been enough to deter me from using them.  I am stunned at the people on here who attacked the original poster.  I have read through all postings and it's unacceptable that someone should be attacked in this way.  I hope you are all happy with yourselves, shame on you.  And please do not think of attacking me for my opinion!  I know this is the internet and all you people can hide saflye in the knowledge that you pesonally cannot be held accountable, but I wonder how many of you would be so forthright in person?  It is interesting to note that the attackers are by and large men!  Bullies are what you are , bullies no other word for it.  And as another poster mentioned,  it does not put brits in spain in a very good light.  But having visited the costas in the past........... I will say no more.

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Aliton, I admit that the cabin staff of RA are a lot better than their ground staff counter parts.  The limited experience I have with them was quite reasonable, but they did play a stupid jingle on arrival that I gather was supposed to celebrate another "on time" flight when in fact it was 45 minutes late.

Sooz, I think you're right.  The word misogynist may well apply, but as a generalism there seems to be a problem with lots of both males and females in accepting that others are entitled to their own opinion.  Some of the foul language used on this thread is outrageous.  It's also sad, it brings down the value of websites like EOS - there used to be far more intelligent discussions than there are now.

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I have never flown with ryanair so will not comment on their service.  However I do see the adverse news about this man and his airline, which has been enough to deter me from using them.  I am stunned at the people on here who attacked the original poster.  I have read through all postings and it's unacceptable that someone should be attacked in this way.  I hope you are all happy with yourselves, shame on you.  And please do not think of attacking me for my opinion!  I know this is the internet and all you people can hide saflye in the knowledge that you pesonally cannot be held accountable, but I wonder how many of you would be so forthright in person?  It is interesting to note that the attackers are by and large men!  Bullies are what you are , bullies no other word for it.  And as another poster mentioned,  it does not put brits in spain in a very good light.  But having visited the costas in the past........... I will say no more.

If you have never flown Ryanair so will not comment then you are quick to comment on why you wont fly with him...Because someone else said don't.

Whats the problem with flying Ryanair, just because of all the negatives on here, why not find out for yourself instead of reading other peoples postings, and I am not attacking you either..and..also to your face would I say these things.. .Yeah you betcha your life i would.

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Foxylady

I suggest you go back to page 1 of this thread and have a better look at which a--hole, as you say, actually pointed out the fact that you had previously flown with Ryanair despite claiming you hadn't (nostradamus). Yes, I later commented on that after finding this out, but it never even crossed my mind to look up your previous blog posts. And while you are critical of the manners of others, after six pages, you are the first one to call someone an a--hole.

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Please keep your comments under control and stay on thread without insulting, disrepecting or inciting other members. 

thank you

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Whats the problem with flying Ryanair, just because of all the negatives on here, why not find out for yourself instead of reading other peoples postings, and I am not attacking you either..and..also to your face would I say these things.. .Yeah you betcha your life i would.

Please credit me with  more intelligence than forming an opinion purely based from what I read on a forum.  I base my decisions very much on reliable information and experience .  I have a choice which airline to use and I have always chosen not to use Ryanair, for reasons which have already been aried on this forum.  I am in a fortunate position not to have to use them.  But of course I understand some are less fortunate whilst trying to scratch a living in the sun and have to use this airline.  You get what you pay for in life, a very simple philosophy.

I think if I was attacked as the original poster was,  I too would resort to a lower form of communication: as this seems to be the language mostly understood from what I have observed on this site.

Arguing on the internet is like playing chess with a pigeon:)

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Please credit me with  more intelligence than forming an opinion purely based from what I read on a forum.  I base my decisions very much on reliable information and experience .  I have a choice which airline to use and I have always chosen not to use Ryanair, for reasons which have already been aried on this forum.  I am in a fortunate position not to have to use them.  But of course I understand some are less fortunate whilst trying to scratch a living in the sun and have to use this airline.  You get what you pay for in life, a very simple philosophy.

Well, you cant mean me because I don't live in the sun, don't have to scratch a living, and don't have to use this airline, and as you have had no experience of this airline because you don't use it, you don't have any reliable information at all,  because the only way to gain experience of something is to do it yourself.

Try it you might be surprised at how good and cheap it is, after all whats to dislike about a two hour plus flight.

 

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Some things do not have to be experienced, and that isn't me being contemptuous prior to investigation - I just don't fancy travelling cattle class to be honest.  Oh and forgive me, I was unaware I could only post "reliable information" how very obtuse of me.  I think that's where the original poster must have made a mistake, by airing an opinion.  I shall endeavour in future to be less remiss:)
 

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