Deal or no Deal

Hello all, and thanks for the debate.

Oh dear, it's now time for me to walk away from this thread, and I'm disappointed.

After numerous requests for "leavers" to provide salient reasons and benefits as to why we should leave sill nothing tangible has been put forward. I can only guess then the lack of facts is down to lack of knowledge and driven by emotions.

Good luck to all and hope to meet up again on other EoS threads, it's been fun!

Petercy..Gordon Brown should have listened to the public when he was PM ... instead he called us Bigots ...the vote leave side is not to blame ...if you are looking for someone to have a go at then look no further than the MPs/EU...when the  majority of the population are telling you that you are getting it wrong ...all thay had to do is make a few changes as you well know when in business when last year's bid ideal is no longer working  you have got to make changes to survive ... David Cameron tried to convince the EU to allow change but they refused ..this was a chance for the EU to reform and they did not accept that changes had to be made...the pig headed approach that the EU has ....is mostly to blame for the result of the UK REFERENDUM...

It is not just about the €uro. Or the fact that we have had to bailout a currency we chose not to join. It is not the €uro sclerosis – the fact that the trade bloc we joined in the early 1970s which then accounted for 36 percent of world GDP, will account for less than 15 percent in 2020. It is not even really about the anti-democratic nature of having decisions made for you in Brussels.

No. The reason we need to quit the EU is even more elemental than all that.

Put simply, Europe cannot best be organised by deliberate design. From the Common Fisheries Policy to the common currency, being part of the EU means trying to do things according to some kind of “blueprint” determined by a Brussels élite. It makes things more or less bound to go wrong. Indeed, the more insulated from public accountability the €uro System has become, the more inept it is.

By withdrawing from the EU, we can organise economic and social affairs in this country not by deliberate design from the top down, but more organically and spontaneously. From the bottom up. Instead of common financial service rules, we might instead allow competing exchanges to offer different approaches and see which one works. Rather than a Common Agricultural Policy for millions of farmers, we might, you know, allow millions of farmers to each have their own farm policy for their farm.

In an increasingly networked and interdependent world, the more successful societies are those that allow more decentralised decision making, by harnessing and balancing opposing forces. Britain’s refusal to be reconciled to being in the EU is not ultimately anything to do with flags or anthems. It’s because we know in our bones that it is a daft way to run a whole continent. I suspect it is not only the Brits who will soon be demanding the freedom to opt out.

Some British laws are passed and implemented because of decisions made at an EU level.   Business For Britain, a pro-Leave group, reckons 65 per cent of new British laws are made in Brussels.  The House of Commons Library says that between 1993 and 2014, a total of 231 Acts of Parliament were passed because of EU membership, 24 per cent of the total. In 2010, the UK government estimated that about 50 per cent of UK legislation with “significant economic impact” originates from EU legislation.

Many EU decisions are taken under “qualified majority voting” rules, where countries’ voting weights depend on their size. That means countries can be outvoted, forced to accept decisions with which they disagree. Britain is outvoted more often than any other country. Between 2009 and 2015, Britain was on the losing side of 12 per cent of QMV decisions. By contrast, France was on the losing side of less than 1 per cent of votes. The areas where Britain was most often outvoted included the EU budget and EU foreign and security policy.

The EU is not a country but it has no fewer than five presidents. Donald Tusk is president of the European Council, the group comprised of EU heads of state and government. Jean Claude Juncker is president of the European Commission. Martin Schulz is president of the European Parliament. Mario Draghi is president of the European Central Bank. Jeroen Dijsselbloem is president of the Eurogroup of countries using the single currency. They wrote a report last year calling for much greater integration of the euro countries, another step on the road to a superstate.

Every month, the European Parliament – hundreds of MEPs, their staff, translators and other officials, 10,000 people in all – moves from Brussels to Strasbourg, where it sits for just four days. This “travelling circus” is widely regarded as being hugely wasteful: the Conservative Party has estimated the cost at £130 million a year.

I think you’re now preaching to the converted.

Our dubious friend Petercy has done a runner 😂

But baz squandering money on themselves is the whole nature of the game, be it EU, UK or any other country. It’s the prize they have earned by lying and cheating to get where they are. It’s all balanced out by the savings made by Maud waiting for her hip replacement she will never get, and the government’s new housing scheme of low priced shop doorways.

anthomo  

 ‘’Fact - non residents are only allowed to stay a max of 183 days (in a year) after which the police can and will levy a massive fine.’’

Can you give me a link to any newspaper report over the last 40 years where a non resident has received a massive fine? Or in fact any fine?

We are all waiting.

I think you’re now preaching to the converted.

Our dubious friend Petercy has done a runner 😂

Yeah he did say he wouldn't be back because no one had given him any good reasons as to why we should leave, but to be fair to him he also said he would come back if another posting caught his eye...Suppose that meant if he could have a  go at rubbing folk up and doing another 'Runner'

Hi Angeleyes   It was in the Euro weekly however cannot remember the date it was an article explaining how the local police are going to be cracking down on those who have gone over their 183 days - how they are going to do this I dont know.

Thanks Anthomo

‘’going to be’’ next week I am going to win the lottery jackpot.

The rag has to print something