Meeting 22/12/2008

 

Happy New Year to you all

This is just a quick update on the current situation regarding the forming of our entity.

At the moment, the next stage of our legalisation is with Murcia Town Hall. They need to sign paperwork to legalise us in order for us to start operating and doing things like obtaining a Bank Account. Once these documents have been signed, the builder will hand the urbanisation over to the entity. Please be assured that the process HAS been started and the builder CANNOT back out. Sadly, it being Spain, the process may take a bit longer than we originally anticipated.

On a different note, can I please urge everyone to be calm on the estate. I know of an incident yesterday where someone ripped the power cables from Marta's house - whilst this course of action may have given the perpetrator satisfaction, it will not resolve any issues and will more likely cause further problems.

I have an appointment with the administrator on Monday and will update you further.

Keith Jones
 

Keith

Thank you for the update.

We do not live on site but have been told that our electricity has been cut off. When the new community is formed, can you confirm that they will have control of the utilities? Will the utility company connect people without licences of first occupation (which we don't have). If they will, why cant we apply for connection now?

The community (once formed) is not a builder, so why should the utility companies give them a builders supply.

Is everyone paying the 200E per month? If not what are people doing that have been cut off. Does anyone have a generator?

We have completed and our deeds state that GT have to mainatin free utilities until LFO is granted. Has anyone else in this situation challenged GT or denounced them?

Regards

 

Keith,

Thanks for letting us know what's happening - shame about Martha's cables, wish someone would do the same to Antonio's floosy.

When do you think the utilities will be resolved? I have a clause in my Escritura regarding water and electicty supply, and I'm refusing to pay these criminals, so they've cut-off my electricity.

Assuming the utility companies will supply our legal entity, what's the plans for charging - different for residents and non-residents? I assume as usage will not be individually metered then some sort of fixed fee will be charged?

I don't want to jump the gun, but this is something that needs to be planned now and everyone made aware of the potential charges.

This also needs to be done in an open and fair manner, and open to challenge if anyone thinks the charges are not representative of usage.

Just hoping my pool doesn't turn green before this is sorted!

Thanks.

Thank you for the replies.

Jogary - in answer to your comments. We too have an escritura that states the builder will pay. It is a legal document. But if the builder decides he wants payment, and you refuse, he will cut you off, even though it's illegal!

 

As far as the entity taking over the supply of electricity and water, I will not know until Monday whether or not this can be done. I will post later on this subject.

Pastie - with regards to your query about charging to be made by the entity. I think the start of the answer is contained in my reply to Jogary. If we are successful in getting hold of the electricity bills then yes we will have to come up with some sort of formula for distributing the costs. We as a committee are aware of this hot potato and will be discussing this with the administrators.

dogberry

Thank you for your reply and your efforts.

Hope all goes well in the meetings next week!

thanks for the recent update Dogberry,

I was out recently on the 2nd to the 6th of Jan and found when i arrived that due to the boiler shorting the electric Ihad neither hot water or Electricity, I went to the office and was informed that once i pay close to a €1000.00 they would sort the problem out for me...I should not have been surprised by their customer care efforts !!!

As they knew i was there the next morning they came and removed the water meter and disconnected the water. Nice !!!

Thanks to the skills of Andrew, we were able to get power and atleast cold water for our short stay.  We will need a new boiler and will do this ourselves and take the cost off from any final settlement we get to with GT..

I am just amazed at the lack of his companies customer skills... I look forward to hearing further updates and the day we get closer to the Escrituras being handed over..

As in a previous comment I have read from another post, I have a signed letter from Antonio stating the legal requirment to supply water and electricity to all the deeds can be handed over.

obviously this counts for nothing.

regards,

Shepp

 

 

 

Hi Keith,

What was the outcome of your meeting today, can the entity take over the supply of electricity and water?

Based upon Andy Wild's latest post on the 'broken pump', it is absolutely critical that we take ownership ASAP and break all connections with these thieving criminals.

If the answer is negative, where does that leave us?

Cheers.

Good evening I was hoping to have loads of bright and exciting news for you all today - I have some, but also some not good news! Let's start with the not so good news: WATER I had a meeting this morning with Antonio at the office regarding the water. According to him, the pump has broken and needs fixing. He is saying that the company has no money to fix it but, if the residents start to pay their 200 euros, he will organise the repairs. I know that this is an untenable position, but, if we don't pay, then the water situation could remain the same. He has also stated that he cannot pay the outstanding electricity bills, so we could end up with no electricity as well. Whether you pay the 200 euros or not is obviously a personal decision. If you do pay, please ensure that you get a receipted invoice and get a photocopy of this to one of the committee members as, once the entity is formed (see below) we will be able to consider legal action against the builder in an attempt to get the money refunded. If you are a keyholding non-resident, it is important that you also consider making the payment in order for you to continue to enjoy the benefit of your holiday home. I have another meeting scheduled tomorrow morning with a lawyer about this whole situation. I will report back to you again tomorrow on this meeting. Now for the good news! ENTITY I attended another meeting this morning at the offices of Pentagono in Pilar de la Horadada with Derek and Paul (committee members). It was confirmed that the general council of Murcia have approved the urbanisation, and that the Mayor is due to sign all the papers off this coming Thursday. After this, the builder has to go to the Notary and sign the documents handing the entity over to us. The administartor stated that he will be overseeing this very closely to ensure that there are no hold-ups. We also urged him to treat the whole issue with urgency, given the problems that we are encountering. Once the Entity has been handed over, we should be able, through the Council, to get Iberdrola and Aguas de Murcia to bill th eentity direct, rather than through the builder, until such time as we can all be billed individually. General news: Bins We know that the bins have been removed again. Please be sensible about disposing of your rubbish - there are bins at the Valle del Sol restaurant and along the valley road towards the Bowls Club that can be used. Please do not just dump it anywhere - it encourages vermin, stray dogs, cats etc and makes the place look untidy. Letter Boxes We have been advised by Correos that they will deliver mail to our door, once we are legal, provided we have a letter box to put it in! Denuncias If any resident has issued a denuncia against the builder could they please let us know whne it was issued and what has happened since. My apologies for posting this to you so late. Keith Jones

Good afternoon everyone

Having just read a thread by Andy (former President) regarding the publication of real names on this site.

I have tried to get mine changed and have had no response, so to let everyone know, a post by Dogberry is actually me.

 

Keith Jones

 

 

Thank you keith for all the hard work all of you are doing for us as we are in the uk we are over on the 16th this week and look forward to meeting you.

Yours

Adrian & Val Fettel

 

No 56

Hi Keith

We also thank you for your efforts. Do you have any news about utilities? Is water now back on to the site?

We had a call from Martha this week asking for €200 for community fees.

We have been reading the posts on TH forum and there is a real feeling that GT is just about bankrupt. Do you have any knowledge of what is happening?

It is dreadful what is happening to those on phase 2.

Should this be the case and they declare bankruptcy, will this not leave us (the new  community) having to foot the bill for hundreds of thousands of Euros for finishing the site. When we raised this before, you said the new community is not responsible for this and that Murcia council would insist GT finished the site. However, if there is no GT what does the committee think will happen?

We would be very grateful if you would send a PM to us with the names/positions of committee members.

Many Thanks

 

 

This message was last edited by jogary on 1/18/2009.

 

 

Thank you so much Keith and all the committee members. At last there is a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel.

I would like to thank Keith (and Andy previously) for their hard work on El Trampolin. Although everybodies experiences have soured the dream for many hopefully it will all start to come good soon. 

it's all gone quiet over there?

Any more news on phase 2 and the water/electric situation?

 

 

 

If you read Keiths message of the 22nd Jan it is fairly self explanatory.  Its only 6 days ago and in Spain that is nothing.

I have been in Spain since 1997 and have learned that the best way to stay sane (ish) is to double everything you are told by the bureaucrats. If they say it will take 1 month, work on two and you will then be pleasantly surprised if its 6 weeks etc.

 

This philosophy has worked for me, I am still here and I love it. You cant beat the system so go with it. Believe you me, it has all come on a long way in 11 years and mostly for the good.

 

I was elected as the President of this Entity on December 22^nd 2008. I knew full well that the road ahead was likely to be a rocky one and it has, at times, been so. Fortunately, I believe that the end of the process is now very close.

 

However, whilst I have always been prepared to accept any criticism and mud that has been thrown at both me personally and the committee in general, I have to advise you that, whilst attempting to resolve an issue on Wednesday afternoon, I was faced with both verbal and, sadly, physical abuse from a resident. In view of this, I am not prepared to put my health, nor that of my wife, on the line, and I hereby tender my immediate resignation both as President of the Entity and from the committee. Until a new President is elected, the current Vice President Paul will fulfil the President’s duties. 

 

In closing, I would like to thank all of the residents, home owners, and  the committee for the support they have given me during the past 5 weeks.

 

 

 

Keith Jones