Meeting 22/12/2008

Keith

Sorry to hear this after you have worked so hard for all of us.

Thank you for all your efforts so far in getting where we are today.

We canot believe such a thing  has happened, You were doing such a stirling  and might I say unenviable job. We are so sorry this has happened to you, when all you were doing was acting on our behalf.  I think you should name and shame these residents, because such disgusting behaviour can not and will not be tolerated. Please accept our heartfelt thanks for all you and the commitee has done

Well, what can anyone say?  We have spent the last 4 years complaining about the treatment we have received at the hands of the builders and how it would not be tolerated in the UK and yet we now have a resident physically & verbally assaulting somebody who has given much time and effort (& the rest of the committee) to help us all – what an absolute disgrace.  It beggars belief and makes us feel ashamed to be in any way connected with the person concerned.

 We quite agree with the other postings – the person responsible should be named & shamed – we could do without this kind of person living amongst us.  What sort of message does this send to anyone reading the Eye on Spain website who might be thinking of moving here???

To Keith – we fully understand your decision but please do not think that one persons disgraceful action in any way reflects the feelings and opinions of any one else.

Thank you for all your hard work and the progress you have made, together with the rest of the Committee, in moving us ever closer to independence.  We just hope that this is not a sign of things to come – if it is, the only “enemy” we will be fighting is ourselves!

Well, we are totally stunned.  NOBODY has done more for the people of El Trampolin than you Andy and nobody wanted you to stand down when you did.  We have always hoped that one day you would take up that role again and still do.

We don’t know what went on between you and Keith, and probably never will, but all we can say is that you always performed your duties as Chairman of the Committee with professionalism and commitment and everyone was very sorry when you gave up that role.  This in no way detracts from our appreciation of Keith’s contribution towards moving things forward.

The tragedy is that this dispute has been made so public, especially by having it published on the Eye on Spain forum. 

You have always behaved impeccably, even though at times you must have felt like screaming, and have earned the respect of everyone on this site for the way you have dealt with the problems we have faced.

How sad that things have come to this.  Unfortunately making this incident so very public does nothing to enhance the reputation of the people of El Trampolin.  Let’s hope we can all move on with dignity and relegate this unfortunate incident to history.

Kind regards

I agree with Worried, and thank you for a well thought out response.

We must stand by each other and achieve our common goal.

It is inevitable that individuals will not see eye to eye sometimes, and with the current climate we need to put personal matter aside, even if it is painfull.

I wish all of the committee the very best for the new year and I place my reliance on their decision, as I do not live on site all year round.

Lets all band together and offer support where ever possible.

Ernie

I am writing what I hope is seen as a very “measured” and considered addition to this thread and would urge you to look at my post on the following link in response to Andy’s post.

http://www.eyeonspain.com/Secure/MsgBrdsPosts.aspx?thread=14065&dev=E368&name=El Trampolin

I have been reading over many many months the various posts put out in connection with Grupo Trampolin and can only come to the sad conclusion that most of you are living in hope … IF “HOPE” is indeed where Trampolin Solera is situated then OK but I fear not! I am NOT a “member” of the Residents Association although I guess I probably should be since I am in fact the “legitimate” owner of Plot 82 currently occupied by Richard’s (The new landlord of “Happy Days”) Aunt and Uncle. Mr and Mrs Philips are, however, innocent victims of a fraudulent contract entered into with Rafael and El Trampolin. Given that fact … and the fact that I have paid more towards that property than Mr & Mrs Philips you are faced with undeniable evidence that the actions of El Trampolin and its “partners” are clearly criminal / illegal. This MUST surely cause you to question anything that Antonio and his crew might suggest!

I have NEVER met Richard … even less spoken to him … but I have been subjected to 1/3^rd party allegations and threats emanating from him so I would have to “question” Keith’s comments about their association with Antonio. Quite simply either El Trampolin pay off the Mortgage on my plot and I complete or they simply refund my money … quite where that leaves Richard’s Aunt and Uncle I really don’t know. I wish everyone on this development every success and happiness but have to suggest you all open your eyes OR HAVE THEM OPENED LIKE MINE HAVE BEEN!

I have been very careful until now about saying too much about Andy Wild on Eye on Spain because I have been prepared until now to keep an “open mind” about his involvement with the “3 partners” at Trampolin. Andy knows full well that I am ABSOLUTELY aware of his past associations  and just what he can and cannot do but propose to say little more at this time. Having said that, and having received several calls from him this morning, I wish to place on file this is now the second time he has attempted to threaten me … indeed even as I type this he is calling me again.

All of you be aware … BE VERY AWARE … Andy is firmly in the pockets of Grupo Trampolin and Antonio. He is also fully aware of my legal rights in connection with the property known as “Plot 82” currently occupied by Richard’s Aunt and Uncle … Mr and Mrs Philips. He is also doubtless aware of the large sums of money which have passed through the hands of Trampolin on completions since the start of the year and the fact that ALL of this has been drained away by the partners.

I would urge all of you to be very very careful before parting with any more money to these individuals who have absolutely NO INTENTION of dealing with it honourably. To you in particular, Andy, you know exactly what the true position is. You KNOW that I have paid a considerable sum of money towards the purchase of Plot 82 on the ONLY legitimate contract (Mr and Mrs Philips’s contract is fraudulent) and simply want either my money or the property returned to me. DO NOT telephone me again attempting to threaten me simply for seeking what is rightfully mine. To you Mr and Mrs Philips be aware that my lawyer does have a copy of your contract and that we are also aware that you have parted with yet more money towards a contract on which you may not be able to complete.

Having myself returned from Spain only 48 hours ago and having seen Andy’s post about the “phase 2” mortgages I felt that I should, as promised, give my own interpretation of the Bank’s position. Before doing so I thing anyone reading this should bear in mind two things; firstly in reading Andy’s posts you are “reading” EXACTLY what Grupo Trampolin WANT you to believe. Secondly we have my perspective which is TOTALLY the reverse and views coming from someone who has been defrauded by the company. As such you are reading two opposing views. Having accepted that BOTH viewpoints are biased I think we have to look at the facts:-

1.     The earlier post regarding embargos placed upon the bank accounts held by CAM Bank IS CORRECT. However these relate to the Trampolin Hills Development and not Solera. In some ways I view this as a more serious sign since this is the one development that Grupo Trampolin wish to save.

2.     Given the above fact it must be obvious that the relationship between Grupo Trampolin and their Bankers is at an all time low. The “famed Phase 2 mortgages” are heavily in default and for sure CAM Bank will want to off load this as quickly as possible. However my understanding is that the amounts involved are now very much greater than the amounts originally loaned.

3.     Grupo Trampolin CLAIM to have no money (I say CLAIM because I am aware that a very large embargo was recently placed upon the company and the money was immediately found from “outside” of company funds to resolve this). It is a fact that the Mortgages outstanding are in all … or nearly all … cases far larger than any monies due to be received from clients. I am aware … having been contacted by several owners in the same situation … of mortgages outstanding in excess of €100K with payment due on completion of some €20K. This will bring about a huge shortfall in the amounts to be paid by Grupo Trampolin to CAM.

4.     Mortgages represent but one small part of the “charges” registered against properties. Embargos placed by Creditors represent a far bigger problem than the Mortgage itself and as such are “second charges”.

Given all of the above as facts due you think CAM Bank will advance any more money to Grupo Trampolin to either finish off Solera or Trampolin Hills. Their extremely “shaky” status is know throughout the Region and the industry. Do you really think it is likely that ANY Bank will advance the sort of sums of money required to fund the company on an ongoing basis given (a) the current state of the World economy and (b) the state of the construction of such developments in the region.

Sadly my honest belief is that the “Gang of 3” have neither the intention or the ability to resolve the outstanding issues at Valle de Sol and that they THINK they can hide behind the fact that Grupo Trampolin is NOT Solera hanging poor old Rafael “out to dry”! They have shown scant regard for embargos placed upon their properties … in fact they have so many now that it means nothing to them any more.

I believe I have one advantage over the majority of the Forum’s readers in so far as I KNOW that both Rafael and Antonio can and DO LIE. Some of you have been advised that they hold documentation signed by either my wife and / or I giving them permission to act fraudulently in the sale of Plot 82 to Mr and Mrs Philips. They MOST CERTAINLY DO NOT and given the fact that in Spain such an action is a “Criminal Offence” a “Querella” has been issued against the company and Rafael in particular. I am well aware that Rafael is “upset” by my “posts” and that he has attempted to suggest he will obtain a “Denuncia” against me. Rafael you CANNOT obtain such a legal caution for simply telling the truth!

In short, whilst I am NOT saying that Andy is giving you either incorrect or inaccurate information I am saying it is heavily coloured by his own relationships with Grupo Trampolin and as at least one of you knows is not beyond the issuing of threats of intimidation. That said Andy does live amongst you and he will want the development concluded / completed as much as anyone. Of course it is quite possible that he too is getting a highly sanitised version of the truth. M y action will continue until I get either (a) the title to Plot 82 or my money back but I do not intend to make further posts on the Forum. I have told you ALL the truth; it is now a matter for you all to decide who is or is not correct. I wish you all well and continued happiness on the development and have to say that if ANY of my words have upset or offended any of you then I am sorry. However, bear in mind these thieves owe me either my property or +-€200K. Any of you can feel free to contact me via the Message Board … including you Andy BUT I SUGGEST you desist from the threats you have attempted to make. They simply won’t wash anymore.