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15 Feb 2009 11:49 PM by Hamibabe Star rating in West Mids. 1317 forum posts Send private message

I dont know if safety re pools has become an issue in more recent times. There are fences , though I cannot remember if they are wood or not around all the pools on Hacienda.



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16 Feb 2009 5:36 PM by Alhama Gardener Star rating in Preston and Jardines.... 119 forum posts Send private message

 I have to say that anyone with small children should be aware of the circular divides between the childrens pool and the main pool as my 3 year daughter slipped through them whilst playing and into the main pool. Luckily I was only a second away but I could not believe how quickly it happened! Also when we were there in October no-one was making sure that the gates were shut to stop the young children going in and as Phil (PGM) said earlier it only takes a second for them to wander off.  May be going off the thread a little but just wanted to make people aware.



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16 Feb 2009 6:19 PM by danseex Star rating in Los Naranjos J4 n253. 652 forum posts Send private message

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I believe a young todler drowned on La Torre so they took the decision to fence all pools.




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16 Feb 2009 6:44 PM by PGM Star rating in Cheshire & LOS NARAN.... 862 forum posts Send private message

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As far as I am concerned the fences and gates provided are not fit for purpose and as the gate don’t close properly in a lot of cases are worse than having no fence at all, as it is likely to give a false sense of security to visitors, I would suggest that the management of the resort are asked to make representation to PW on this issue insisting they hand over the areas to the community with the correct safety facilities supplied which are fit for purpose.

 

Below is guidance from the Junta de Andalucía on this issue. http://costadelsol.angloinfo.com/countries/spain/poollaw.asp 

 

Swimming Pool Regulations

The regulations are as follows:

Children's Pools

Children's pools are those intended for use of children under six years of age. These pools should be no deeper than 40cm nor have slants or slopes of over 10 percent. Children's pools should be totally independent so not to allow children to gain access to other pool areas accidentally.

Pool Ladders

Ladders should be installed at least every 25 meters or fraction of the perimeter. They should be constructed of stainless steel for ease of cleaning and should be deep enough to allow for comfortable climbing, but must not reach the bottom of the pool.

Deck Characteristics

The deck is considered the area immediately around the pool. The deck should have a minimum width one meter and should be of a material that prevents slipping. Its design should prevent the formation of puddles and the flow of water back into the pool.

Life Buoys

Community pools should have as many life buoys as there are pool ladders. They should be installed in visible places and be accessible by swimmers. Each ring or life buoy must have a rope tied to it which is at least half the maximum width of the pool plus 3 meters.

First Aid

Swimming pools for collective use should have a Fist Aid kit with all necessary materials for treatment of pool users. If the pool water surface is over 600 meters squared, an easily accessible independent room, with appropriate signs, should be available to administer first aid.

Lifeguards

All swimming facilities for collective use with a total water surface area of 200 meters squared or more should have a qualified lifeguard. For swimming facilities of between 200 and 500 meters squared there should be one lifeguard. A minimum of two lifeguards are required for pool with a total water surface area of between 500 and 1000 meters squared, or one additional life guard per pool or per fraction of 500 meters squared.

Toilets

Community pools should provide toilets and dressing room facilities in well ventilated indoor premises. They should have running water, toilet paper, disposable towels and soap dispensers.

Showers

Showers should be placed in the vicinity of the pool area. Numbers of showers should be at least equal to the number of pool ladders. The shower base must be non-slip with a sufficient slope to allow for drainage. Shower heads should be either replaced on a yearly basis for the purposes of hygiene.

Register and Control Book

A Register and Control Book (libro de registro y control) should be kept for each pool. This book should be available for inspection at the request of both the health authority and any users of the pool facilities.

Pool Protection

When the pool is not in use, at night and in the off season, it should be protected by a lockable fence. There are currently no guidelines as to the height of the fence, however, with respect to French law, which is likely to be taken as the European standard, the fence should be a minimum of 1.2 meters in height and have self-locking gates. This is by far the safest measure, even when the pool is in use, as it ensures that young children cannot accidentally enter the pool area without supervision.

Signs

Every swimming facility for collective use should have displayed a set of Internal Rules which shall contain at least:

  • A prohibition to enter the bathing area wearing "street" clothes or shoes
  • An indication that it is compulsory to shower prior to entering the pool
  • A prohibition to litter and an indication to use waste paper bins
  • In indoor swimming facilities, an indication to use bathing caps
  • A prohibition to enter the swimming facility with pets, with the exception of guide dogs

Other signs that should be displayed in prominent positions are:

  • Water depth signs both at both ends of the pool and intermittently depending on the length of the pool
  • First aid and directions to it
  • Cardiopulmonary Resuscitation (CPR)
  • Toilets and directions to them
  • The Spanish Emergency Services number
Further Information

This is a very brief rundown of the laws regarding Community or Communal pools in Andalucía. These laws are continuously changing and updating. For further information contact a specialist in the field.

 




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16 Feb 2009 7:21 PM by Hamibabe Star rating in West Mids. 1317 forum posts Send private message

As A retired advanced childminder. I did voice my concerns as to the proximity to both childrens & adults pool & what I felt was a very risky  & potentially dangerous  design of the circular concrete ? posts that act as dividers. Particulaly as there was a reasonable child sized gap between  all of them

I was told ( this was when we paid our initial deposite) that it was only a drawing to show how the area would look  & the design would be different on completion.

Needless to say it hasnt changed,



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