EL PINET BLOG

PS look closely at your committee members  ,who they are and their connections ? Perhaps they do not want the court to know what is going on ?

I have just got back from my holiday in Jersey and have been reading the posts!

I agree with MM, and although Felix in particular has been doing a great job, i get the feeling that he has really been up against it!!

The committee are doing what they can BUT there is something not right, it seems to be very much in favour of SJ and nothing in return. I agree that legal representation is paramount but this is easier said than done as most people feel they cannot trust the lawyers in Spain. SJ do NOT have the money or at least will not use their money to sort this out. It needs a good MEP to work with the courts to find a solution other than waiting endlessly for SJ to sort things out, they are far too busy trying to defend themselves at the courts to try and stay out of prison.

The word of SJ and the administrators have proved not to be trusted so there must be another way sought as this is not working. Even our new lawyer who is on the British Consulate list advised us to complete without the LFO, why on earth would she say that when you see the nightmare that people are living with, I am glad to say we have not completed but we are still 80000 euros out of pocket!

FAR

The point is that Felix is not qualified for the postion he is filling. Bo has been put in an impossible situation at times. The rest of the commitee don't get the full picture and information is exclude from them.

Does anyone know the agenda for this annual meeting

If anyone one interested in emailing the Mayor of Elche (who has a degree in Law) its: asoler@elche.es You can go to his council web site, http://alejandrosolermur.com

Other names and email address's can be found with this link, see below. Including Alejandro Perez Garcia (councillor for urban development, housing etc) who I think was mentioned in an article or blog.

http://www.elche.es/ilive/srv.ayuntamiento.gobierno_local

 

You can Google the names and get the sites in english
 

Fair point!

To be honest i don't think contacting the Mayor will make any difference, a lot of the mayor's are related in some way to SJ and i remember asking a journalist from a local Spanish newspaper to contact the mayor ref El Pinet and it did not help back then. I think the european union is the only hope, SJ have too much of a powerful influence in Spain.

FAR

I am concerned that residents and  owners at El Pinet do not know what is going on within the court system, regards the process of administration for SJ. I am concerned that El Pinet does not have a voice in this process and that the problems faced at El Pinet are being ignored  by the court and by the SJ administration .

It is obvious that people awaiting  property who have paid large deposits and have litigation lawyers  working for them know more about the real  situation  with SJ than the residents/owners do .

Would it not be wise to share information . At least then the residents /owners would know when SJ are being less than truthful with the facts .

Perhaps if we all shared info the truth would out . I tried  to share this  information on another forum but was shot down by a member of the  El Pinet committee  !  Best regards MM

Hi Far & MM,

These are good points, any information that anyone has regarding EP or other communities are welcome.

One things for sure, if I don't get any information or say in the next "annual meeting" then I will be considering not paying any more into the commutity fund.

I had thought about going out again in late summer but, I find it too painful and frustrating to bare. I think you had the right idea FAR. I fancy trying another pint of Mary Ann. 

Hi All,

Thank you for your postings, which I found very interesting and go along with my thoughts. I can only hope that these postings are being read by someone on the committee.

As I said at the start of this thread I sent an email to the vice president now FIVE WEEKS AGO and I am still waiting for a reply I have asked the following questions........

1.As we have paid for the water for NON PAYERS what action are the committee taking against these people who have not paid to recoupe the money owed to the community fund.

2. Do you think that we should demand a monthly report about the builders progress beforeany monies are paid into their account....

i.e. NO PROGRESS --- NO MONEY. Keeping in mind that the committee advised us not to pay any more money into the S.J. ACCOUNT UNTIL THE BUILDERS RETURNED TO THE SITE. Or should we wait until the work has be completed then pay the money owed.

3. My property over looks the unfinished buildings which are a danger and an eye sore . Has the committee or the administrators discussed these.

Three simple questions ....NO ANSWERS...I am hoping that these questions will be asked at the next committee meeting and maybe then I will get my answers.....I will let you know......

What we must not forget is that in 2008 we were asked by the administators to pay 60e per month with the promise that we would get our Certificates of Habitation during May/June 2009. Now we are being asked to pay 40/70e a month with the promise of the Certificates by December 2009  

I also agree that the community money has been used fraudulently to pay for water. This money is for the maintenance of the site and not to pay for water that people have used on a daily basis. Do you think that I would be allowed to use a private pool seeing that my money may have paid to fill it.... I THINK NOT

What the committee must remember is that we have paid our community money and any decision or voting must include us either by mail or e-mail as a member of the community.

Well its now been 10 days since the AGM meeting and no blog update,

9 weeks since I sent an email as requested on the blog and over a week since my last email without a reply

It would seem that you have to be a resident to find out what the position is at El Pinet

Am I right or is it me being impatient !!!

I agree with you that lack of information and updates is very frustrating.    I know they are in the process of taking on a new Administrator to replace Felix who stood down at the AGM.    The rest of the committee wished to continue and were voted in to stay.   As we all know, it's a very difficult situation and I do appreciate the work that the committee and various residents put in to try to keep things going out there.  

My own view is that we should do all we can to keep electricity and water supplies going - regardless of what is legal or not in this situation.    It seems to be a very real threat that supplies will be cut off later this month which will make the properties virtually uninhabitable.   I know some of the flats have been without supplies for several days at a time already, although I believe that some of them were able to use fridge/freezer space in other houses and could access water from a nearby tap so they were just about able to manage. (Forgive me if this isn't true but it's just what I've been told).   This wouldn't be an option if supplies to the whole site were cut.   

I have family and friends due to stay in my holiday home there over the next few months so I am starting to make contingency plans with them, i.e. renting elsewhere,  should supplies be cut off.   I know people have their own reasons for not paying the amounts being asked, such as legal advice, it's unfair, San Jose should be paying, etc. etc. but at the end of the day it is a situation that potentially we have control over.    The amounts being requested have been worked out to provide the necessary funds and are probably no more than we will be paying when we have our own meters and let's not forget that we've had free electricity and water for five years in some cases.   Of course it's not a totally fair situation, but that would be far too difficult to administer at this stage.

On a brighter note, although we've heard it all before, it does seem as though the work on the infrastructure should start soon.    I'll paste the contents of an email I had from a resident there about the AGM and hopefully the minutes will be on the Blogspot before too long.  

NOTES RECEIVED FROM A RESIDENT: -

The meeting went well.  In brief - Alumudena from San Jose was there, she explained they have the money and have just signed two contracts for the work to start within 15 days!!  There is one more contract to sign which will be done this week. So here's hoping.

Many questions were asked and answered, will all be in the minutes.  Bo is still President and Fransico Vice, Felix is not standing anymore so we will be looking to employ a legal Administrator in the next few weeks. There will be 5 committee members for the apartments, Paul, Mike, Gino, Steve Killigan and Alex Aspden. Moss for M8, Shanna and Ron for M13, still have to find reps for M5, M16 and M18.

Our main concern is still the electricity bill for August, we as a community will be responsible for our own electric and water and if we do not have enough money paid to SJ Administrators it could be cut off.  Alumudena said it is a case of if they continue to pay our bills they will not have enough money to finish the infrastructure, so it is down to us! PLEASE MAKE YOUR PAYMENTS. AGREED TO KEEP THE SAME FOR THE TIME BEING - 70/40 AND 20 FOR COMMUNITY FEES.

The Administrator from the village will be typing the minutes so not sure when they will be available, will let you know.

Thanks for the update Lambourn . 

San Jose do NOT as yet have the money to finish Pinet. I am very sorry to hear that Felix has stood down as having met him i know that he was very much a no nonsense person and i am assuming that he got completely frustrated with some of the other committe members with their softly softly approach but maybe i am wrong! The information on the blog was very good when Felix was looking after things!

For me the sensible thing would be to approach the water, electricity companies etc and get some sort of private arrangment to pay them directly while taking further action. Paying in to a SJ account, administrators or whatever is totally ridiculous!!

FAR

Thank you Lambourn for the update......

During June we were told that the water bill was 1500e & 11000e for electric for El Pinet

Then we were asked to pay 40e a month as a non resident as this was the minimum standing charge for water and electric in Spain.

I HAVE NOT PAID THIS AS I THINK THIS IS EXCESSIVE

If I did pay a standing charge then my supply would be guaranteed, but paying this 40e the supply would not be guaranteed.

In the UK my standing charge for water is £42.50 per year, sewerage £36.00 per year.

The standing charge for electric is 17p per day which is around £5.00 per month

These figures add up to £138.50 for the standing charge for electric & water per year

We are being told that in Spain the standing charge is 480e per year for both (can someone confirm this) as I dont belive it.

My electric bill for three months in the UK is £132.00 WHY am I being asked to pay 120e for the same period WHEN I HAVE NOT USED IT !! The economics do not add up. 

I WILL ALWAYS PAY MY WAY....... BUT I WILL NOT PAY FOR OTHER PEOPLE'S USAGE

As an after thought San Jose are the customers of the electric & water companies not the owners/residents so there should only be one standing charge from each company. So why are we ALL being asked to pay a standing charge.