New President

Just out of interest does anyone know who the administrators are on the other big resorts similiar to CDA including La Manga specifically?

Shouldnt be too hard to find out.............leave it with me..

 LEts get real

If we allow our administrators to break rules when they feel like it to get their own way then when will it stop.

PT supporter or not we have rules to protect us and they have been broken to suit our administrators end.

Its again great to see people like Dringman back ML but then again he does get alot of work and referals from them do they take a percentage Dringman,

I belive theiere is evidence that ML have been far from legal in their financial dealings and am wondering wether they have been given enough rope to hang themselves time will tell, and if they eventually are shown to be corrupt we will have to look at all that have supported them with such vigor especially the business that get work from them will be intesting.

Dringman do you know for certain the ML have been totaLLY HIONEST IN THEIR FINANCIAL RUNNING OF THE RESORT?

Because the likes of yourself who make is quite clear to you dislike PT and others like you with links to ML.

I still do not like to take sides just want rules obeyed, respect shown to all and honesty. I have heard no evidence that PT has ever been dishonest as the resort and the only things leveled against him have all come from ML

Yet I have seen slander from ML, disrespect and complete ignorance of the rules of our comunity that why I distrust ML.

The people should have the power through elected Presidents not the administrator they WORK FOR US via the presidents.

So when told to produce accounts and show were our money has gone within a week they should have no problems producing them, so why wont they? Instead they mount a campaign tto remove the man asking.

Why cant people see something so simple.

 

Peter

 

Couldn't agree more Peter. Let's be honest Mileniun will be making a fortune out of referrals. If done in their own time fine but to think all those people in the office will be looking for opportunities to increase revenue you have to question why their time is not been spent on actual resort business taking forward our issues. Personally I want them out and more structure in place where more of the resort has a voice as opposed to a layer of Level 2 presidents making decisions on our behalf. We all know who is in bed with who and its time it stopped and the people responsible for only having self interests should be booted out as level 2's. I am getting the impression more and more that some of the level 2 presidents are so far up their own arse that it is simply not helping the genuine people who quite simply just want a nice place to live and holiday with a good future. Is this why Paco on La Isla experienced so much grief? Because he was getting close to exposing something?

Peter, in what way exactly have ML 'broken the rules'?

You can argue that the way they went about it was morally wrong and/or unprofessional, but that's different from claiming that what they've done is illegal. Despite what many on this thread seem to think, ML did not displace the former L1 president. The L2 presidents did, ML had no vote in that. They obviously brought the situation to a head with their letter last week, but they didn't make the final decision. As I see it, ML forced the L2 president to choose between them and the former L1 president because the working relationship between them had completely broken down, and they went for the former. Only time will tell if they've made the right decision, but I think people need to calm down a bit and stop all this anti Spanish nonsense.

To be honest, nobody comes out well in this, there are wrongs on both sides. But if you're going to claim illegal activity on a public forum then I hope you have some evidence to sustantiate it.

 

This message was last edited by Cappielow on 19/08/2012.

Nobody I suspect has or will win anything from what has gone on over the last year or so. I remember reading derogatory posts against ML months ago on this forum. If the situation was untenable then something had to be done. I guess no one likes the actions taken over the past few weeks and there are probably no winners. However, I would be most surprised if ML has acted outside of the legal system, there would be very strict rules in place that must be followed in any formal organisation.

I suggest all those jumping on their high horse demanding this and that, they put themselves forward and get voted in as presidents and have your say. Or you could contact your own president and get them to action what you would like to happen.  Making demands on a open forum is making you opinion heard but will achieve nothing.

I’m not on any side, my only wish is CDA continues to thrive and improve, bad debt collection improves as it has done over the last watch of both PT & ML.

I wish you all well and hope things calm down so we can all carry on enjoying CDA.

 

I think they should go too, assume we have meeting with 3 people and say they are away??

 

I don't really understand the level of anger aimed at ML to be honest. As I see it, the working relationship between ML and the former L1 president had deteriorated so much that it had become completely unsustainable, and I suspect there was blame on both sides for that situation. They issued the letter last week to bring the issue to a head, in what was basically a 'back us or sack us' statement. It was the L2 presidents who made the final decision to back them, ML had no part in the vote. If the L2 presidents thought that more of the blame lay with ML they would surely have backed the L1 president instead. Why wouldn't they?

Of course only time will tell if they've made the right decision. You can of course argue that they were wrong in issuing the letter to bring all this into the open, but remember the catalyst for the whole situation as I see it was the former L1 president's wife publicy criticising ML in an open forum. So there was clealy wrong on both sides, but now it's time to move on IMO. Despite this latest unsavoury incident I've generally been satisified with ML's performance until now. I see no reason therefore in replacing them now with another unknown administrator with unknown consequences. We need stability, not more even uncertainly.

At least give ML and the new L1 president a chance to show what they can do before jumping to premature and hasty reactions. Just my tuppenceworth. :)

I was over on Condado last week and all seemed normal on the outside. There was speculation amongst some on the Thursday evening about a presidents meeting on the Friday but no-one knew for sure. The point i wish to make is who actually attended the meeting. I have read that it was attended by three level 2 presidents but not sure if this is true or not. If this is the case surely that cant been seen as a fair representation of the community. If this is the case whats to stop 6 level 2 presidents having a meeting next week/month and over turning the decision made on Friday. Then what happens if another group meet and over turn that decision a few weeks later. Surely when making a decision to remove a level 1 president all level 2 presidents should be informed and whether they are on the resort or not there view and vote could be passed by email.Obviously the level 2 presidents would have to be presented with the reasons and facts for the meeting but pretty sure in this day and age all such material could be forwarded by email.

 

Paul

It is hard to remove a dictator who will go to any length to retain power by doing and saying anything to destroy the opposition and only allow you to hear the voice of people they have vetted or put in place. Opposition will be crushed by any means necessary.

Any similarities to the situation on condado you must decide for yourself.

Ask yourself why we don’t have any information from your presidents on the official web site and the only communication you receive is from the administrator.

Ask yourself why you haven’t been told about any of the significant problems this resort has been having such as water shortage, contentious legal appeal and debt problems. And numerous other issues you are not informed. The only information they give you is the grass has been cut,  the trees pruned, the pools cleaned. They also continually tell you how good your administrator is but no mention of the work of your presidents.

Ask yourself why it is the administrator that has driven the campaign to discredit PT and none of the presidents did this, till the end when some were brought in to give the appearance of a democratic vote. And all this had happened whilst PT is still out of the country.

Ask yourself is it fair that they called a meeting with just 24 hours notice to remove him declaring you have demanded it and provided no right of reply to PT

Ask yourself why the only information you receive is only on forums such as this.

Ask yourself is this the justice you wish to see.

Hi Paultottenham...my understanding/belief is that each garden/ penthouses has its own president, these then elected 4 level 2 Presidents who then elected 1 level 1 President.....so the level 2 Presidents were all present except PT to  get rid of the same PT.....I also believe the level 1 President has the power to decide we become a Polygamist society or that cars/ pets are banned etc.  This is why I believe Level 2/1 should be done away with and have 1 representative for each garden with a vice president.  These elected representatives would then select a President for a 12 month term.  Within this council each rep would have responsibility/ knowledge/ skills in a particular area such as La Isla lake, security, Fiestas, finances, marketing etc.  I know nothing of Victoria and if she is the right person for the job then let her stand against whoever else is willing to stand.  This resort needs free/ subsidised transport/ free/subsidised kids club to help it grow...Our nationalities should be left at gate and we should work together as fellow Europeans!!

Dear Cappielow, there as below there are only 4 level 2 Presidents of whom PT was one and we have 3 Spanish Presidents....what hope did have PT have even if he had been a saint (and Im not saying he wasnt).  The level 1 President (I am led to believe) has far too much power to be decided by ML and 3 Presidents.  If we are to continue with 4 level 2 Presidents - should there not be a representative of each of the 4 majority nations???  Surely the level 1 President should be changed each year for a fresh view and to give the individual a life outside the Presidency??

My preference would still be to do away with level 1/ 2 Presidents...

More open communications and accounts to be seen, please!!

 Peter - "Condado Hope"  where do you get off being slanderous , how do I get any business from ML, ? in fact apart from an advert on their board like others , I have actually been annoyed when they refused to let me advertise anywhere else. I have a sign in the Supermarket which is pulled down in favour of I believe an Illegal Taxi who is preferred by a boss in Supermarket.

 

Peter  ( need to rest of your name and apartment number and if I do not an apology)  lets see if you are just a troll or decent enough to let everyone know who you really are ?  

Everyone else can now see how the Madfia works here and if you have a different opinion how they treat you. 

All it takes for good peole to do nothing .

 

Cappieflow  19 Aug 2012 11:46 said it perfectly previous thread

level 2 have 5 members-   Babara Rowlett who supports PT as well , they originally voted PHil in so where was the issue then. Phil was given a chance to be L1 and did not do it to Level 2 expectations otherwise he would still have the position.  ML do not vote. I have always made my position clear that all level 3 should vote for level 1 . I would prefer this issue  to be taken to AGM for all owners to approve who they want L1 to be as i believe HPA ( the law)says . When I asked Phil what would happen if he resigned I was told we would have lots of little AGMs and Level 1 decision would be by level 2 . This is what has happened  so accept this . If Mil Lev do not work as expected the level 2 should manage this. 

If Mil Lev are our employees as stated then be a manger, Set job descriptions and guidlines , review performance against that criterea and provide guidance as to what expectations are.  From the minutes ( and yes I know not approved , so give them a written warning) sounds like there has been a complaint made against the "Manager"  would you take this from your boss? 

I want a smooth running resort legally run and properly managed with the criminal element who just want to make a fast buck got rid off. 

What do you want?

 

 

 

 

Hi

I have just back from CDA and was very pleased with the progression so far, CDA has come along way.

But I would like to see where my community fees are  being spent ie. Full inclusive accounts and hope ML will be producing these.

 

 The Resort Statutes dictate how the Resort is ran.

The stautes can only be changed by every owner voting the change, this will never happen so we have to live with the current Statutes.

There are 46 Presidents, these elect 5 Presidents at Level 2, The 5 Level 2 Naranjos 1 & 2 Jardines 1 & 2 and La Isla.elect a Level 1. We can not dispence with Level 2 as a poster suggested earlier.

Each Level has a Criterior L3 Only have a small say / budget for their garden / Penthouse and would approve minor repairs such as pool fence or seats in their own area.

L2 are responsible for Pool Maintenance, Road Cleaning, Street lights, Fumigation etc

L1 is responsibile for Administration and Security

Technically L2 and 3 have no say in Security or Admin and a L1 can hire / fire Admin or Security but we would expect that the L1 would consult L2 first, Likewise L2 should consult Level 3 on Pool Maintenance etc.

Just another point to note is that if 5 L2 vote it is not 2 votes against 3 etc it is the co-effiecient percentage that person holds.

For Example if I voted on an issue with Jardin 5 and I am Jardin 4 and Jardines 1,2, 3 abstain then Jardin 5 would win with 29% to my 18%

The system is complex and takes a lot of study to work out.

We now have another Level The Entity or EUCC as it is called and the Entity now control the Outer ring, Inner ring and Refuse collection, this Board consists of 9 members 4 of which are IRM Polaris and Other Banks. Condado pay 73% of the Entity Budget. Alhama Council also has a member on the Board with no vote.

So each section manages their own budget at their Level.

The Administration is employed according to the Stautes by L1 and should report to that Level.

Communication is a problem not just with the Language. The current administrator stopped all Presidents communicating with their owners in favour of their website which is fine for some things but it does not allow any form of communication from a president to be Transmitted to their owners.? Ironically the Letter from the New Level 1 was sent from this system, something that we have been asking for for a long time. Only in the last few weeks have the Weekly bullitin stated anything other than routine maintenance.

As I say all of this is in the Statutes of Condado and the Entity and will be very difficult to change, they were written by Polaris and accepted before many of us completed. Early 2008.

 

 Many thanks Mick and also for the work you do . Considered reply . and clear to us all the rules we need to follow. I hear good reports from all sides about how you manage your garden with no no complaints from any one group. Maybe your management skills could be extended? 

With that its goodbye from me on this subject

 

This message was last edited by dringman on 19/08/2012.

Don't think you're the one in trouble David, you've not made any defamatory and potentially libellous statements.

 

This message was last edited by Cappielow on 19/08/2012.

If you recall one of the allegations about PT in the letter from the administrator was that he put the community at risk because he ordered a second gate to be opened in the Al kasar. One of the complainants about this gate being opened was your new lady president.

I am told that on Friday night once again the second gate was locked on the orders of the administrator, meaning that if a serious incident had happened there would have only been one way out of the Al Kasar in an emergence.

The Fire Brigade were called to ask if this was safe and legal who in turn called the Police who came to look. The Police informed the administrator’s representative to immediately open the second gate for the safety of the public and if they didn’t they would be held personally responsible for anything that happens.

So well done PT for knowing the law better that the administrator and the new level 1 president.

 

 

I Barbara Rollett as a level 2 president Naranjos would like to set the record straight on this forum that not all level 2 presidents voted against Phil Tann!  I did not receive a call to the meeting from mileniun until less than 24 hours from the meeting taking place, as I am in uk at present this did not give me sufficient time to travel to spain  for the meeting, I gave my proxy vote to another president to attend on my behalf and my support was fully in favour of phil tann as this is all a vendetta to remove phil from the position for their own agenda.  This was conducted in my opinion as an illegal meeting and therefore should not have taken place.  They were aware that he was out of the country for 3 weeks and waited until the day I left the resort and was safely on a plane to the uk before sending out the letter to all owner with their appaling attack on his character, without the opportunity to defend himself.  putting personality/ friendships aside this man does not deserve this treatment and I suspect that I will be the next victim for standing up for what I believe.  I fully intend to FIGHT for what is right on this resort and I WILL see justice done for every owner on this resort.

 

Dringman

"Many thanks Mick and also for the work you do . Considered reply . and clear to us all the rules we need to follow. I hear good reports from all sides about how you manage your garden with no no complaints from any one group. Maybe your management skills could be extended?

With that its goodbye from me on this subject"

Been very vocal until this post!!

Have used your service more tahn once but WILL NOT USE AGAIN!! Your colours are fast on the mast here!

 

This message was last edited by chaddyowl on 20/08/2012.