Exterior painting

Does anybody know if there are any plans to paint the exteriors of the apartments at any time in the future, or do we have to do our own ?

Tom.

The best thing that could happen is that 50 euros was added each quarter to the community charge for a year (only) to cover the cost of painting - surly it couldn't cost more than 200 euros to have your apartment painted?

We are still owed just over 750,000 euro from owners who are refusing to pay maintenance fees. ML have a cunning plan in place to deal with this (so they say) but it will take a long time if ever to recover that amount of money which is what the cost would be to paint the apartments.

The priority is to recover the debt or start to seize assets, the properties themselves, so that in future we will be able to afford a paint job every 5 years.

I agree, sometime during the next year, the apartments would benefit from a coat of paint, at least the white properties need it. This will have to be funded through an additional charge to each owner and I think 200 euro each would be about the right price. But what do we do about those properties who owners are refusing to pay their fees? They will need painting too otherwise the place will look a mess.

There is a deal in place now to have the exterior metal security fence painted as well as the pergola wood around the complex, for free, which is a saving of over half a million Euro. This is a result of some smart negotiation with the contract for the maintenance of the resort, a good deal if you ask me.

These are all issues the Presidents and the administrators need to consider and get right, but start saving up would be my recommendation. JF

Hi

 

You will probably end up like most of us and painting it yourself. We have and it stands out now against the dull grey colour of the rest of our block.

have you been on site recently?  some parts are looking very shabby and cracking and are in great need of a paint.

There are numerous people who openly admit they are not going to pay any maintenance fee.  Millenium Levente should paint a big red cross of shame on their door!

The problem with adding money to quarterly fees, its only the likes of you and me who will pay, plus who is going to pay for all the unsold properties.

Best to sort it yourself if you want your place to look nise.

 

Here we go again!!  We are already paying well in excess of the community fees outlined at the initial purchase stage.  Most of us religiously pay our fees and now due to parasites within our community it is being suggested that rules abiding residents once again take the hit.  Mileniun need to be more active in their efforts to recoup unpaid fees.  These parasites are sitting back with a big grin on their faces, having their grass cut and hedges manicured at our expense, now you want us to paint their apartments at an additional cost to us.  Get tougher, get them out and replenish our funds. 

I am aware that their are unfortunate residents out there who have fallen on bad times, I'm sure that some form of repayment plan could be implemented to assist.  As for the rest, get them hunted. 

I may have read this wrong...buy if you add 200 Euro annually to community fees....thats not fair to those who have alreay painted their properties!

How does it work with A2 Z for those who dont pay their community fees....do they still get the free internet...am not overly technical but may be a stupid question!!!

Also if money were added to community fees to paint all properties, what would you do with those who dont pay their community fees anyway????

Personally I like the big red cross idea mentioned further down this posting!!

It really isnt fair!

I appreciate some have fallen in hard times, and none of us knows what is around the next corner but I personally wish there were some way of limitting pool access to those paying their fees but I appreciate how difficult this would be!!

 may be the people who make a living by using the condado  can club together and paint them

it would be th there interest

 

This message was last edited by barri on 29/05/2013.

Yep, I'm well in the name and shame or hang em high camp and that will come but too slowly for the paint problem to be solved. But the bigger picture is to avoid a tatty patch work quilt scenario as would result if we start to do our own. All the properties need to be maintained, it is in our own interests to keep standards high and consistent even if it means covering the costs of those apartments that are either unsold or not being paid for maintenance wise.

I know that sticks in the gut a bit, but the end result will be the right one. I've been in the justice game a long time and I know that eventually those that have unpaid fees will either pay or they will lose their properties. To some that may be the lessor of two evils with low values currently, but that will not always be the case and well maintained real estate will have a greater resale value to the community than poor quality stock.

This next two years will see a lot of movement one way or the other for our fortunes in Alhama. If the theme park starts to be developed then property prices will pickup locally. That will be significant for these debtors. If the airport at Corvera also opens (less likely in my view) then things will really take off - pardon the pun. JF

Hi falky444,

  If you have been in the justice game for so long, as you claim, then you should be fully aware that it doesn't exist.  You certainly don't go to court for justice, only a result.  In my opinion those involved in the justice system seem generally to be more corrupt than the people they are processing.  My point is that I will not be holding my breath awaiting a just outcome to the community fees dodgers  fiasco.

Hi to all

As mentioned in my post, l am all for name and shame these people who refuse or avoid payment of their maintenance fees.

My husband spoke with Olga from Ml only last week and he told her that he openly heard someone in the clover bar stated to a group that he had been on site 5years and not paid any maintenance and does not intend to. Olga's response was, you should not be discussing this matter in public to each other on Condado. Why not? I will eat my hat if ML sort this mess. All the presidents know the people on their gardens who have not paid, what are they doing to track these people? Any president out there who can answer this?

It will be diffiicult to maintain a good standard if people individually paint their properties-all a bit hit and miss. But even that would be better than it not happening. If, like me you cannot be a CdA any time soon paying a painter may be the way forward as at least you can negatiate a price. Maybe ML should suggest that to each owner, as they did about painting the pergola's? It's annoying but at least the place wont look shabby.

As to non payment of fee's: the people who have fallen on hard times will have to settle their CC on the sale of their property- so they are just waiting for that date, it's common practice in  Spain. You can persue them earlier but they won't cough up until forced to or they sell the property.

My personal view is that owners should be barred from the resort as well as persued through the courtsif they haven't paid their CC. We have gate security so this could be managed- you write to them and barr them then prevent them from getting onto the resort till they pay.

Historically its been a long slog to get back CC debt from owners on resorts and urbanisations. It's been a long time problem in Spain but things do move a bit quicker now.

If 'Olga' from ML had told me I shouldn't be talking about such things in The Clover (as mentioned earlier in the thread) I would have told her to get on with her job (which might just move things along a bit faster)- who is she our Head Mistress??!!

One other niggle; why do people insist on saying 'the site' when talking about CdA, its a resort not a caravan park.

This is a joke really and needs to be addressed, I have had my property painted since I bought it and would be happy to pay an extra 200 a year to ensure the whole resort gets painted as if I'm honest it looks shabby and dated. We need to keep on top of the appearance of the resort and properties if we want it to prosper. Sitting back and doing nothing is not something I appreciate from my president and ML.

For Petes sake,I am sure we would all pay €200 every 3 years, I have had mine painted by a friend and it looks great a hopefully it will embarrass the neighbours in to getting theirs done,
The main problem is the apartments on the gable ends they really need addressing firstly,they are a right state.
Why are they varnishing the timbers, surely it would be cost effective to paint and varnish at the same time?
We really need to get our Jardin representatives to get on to ML
Are there minutes of the meetings so we can be sure that this has been chaired ?

My problem wuth paying 200 Euro every 3 years are those who are payong nothing now!! Why shouls I pay yet more community charges when there are those who are blatantly paying nothing and getting away with it!!!

Or do we pay 200 Euro every 3 years and only paint apartments who are up to date with community charges?????

I am more than happy to maintain and paint my own property but I am not paying to paint those who are not paying community harges!!

 I have noticed that alot of the people who actually live on the resort are starting to have their properties painted. There is a young spanish team who are doing an excellent job at very cheap prices. Ask at la cata.

might be money wasted as in the end the community are responsible for painting the resort and I'm sure the fees will increase to capture this requirement. One of the issues I think is that we don't have sufficient funds in the sinking fund to even start due to the non payers. I can understand why residents would want to start on their own but they really should put pressure on the community (ML)  & Pres to kick this off formally so that we have uniform approach. The current out come is that people who are painting now may have to pay again shortly via way of a levy once the community kicks into motion on this issue, which I'm sure will go down like a ton of bricks !

There are several companies around resort doing painting including the Spanish lads. All doing a wonderful job...you cant add a levy for something people have already done! That is unfair...to punish those paying their community charges and keeping their properties in good condition. A remedy must be found for the non-payers instead of taking more money off those who do pay!!!

Hypothetically if you did add a levy....do you paint those who havent paid their community charges??

I couldn't give two hoots if they paint someones property who hasn't paid their fees. If it makes the resort look brand new then I'm all for it. Like I said I had mine done again two years ago and I would still be happy to increase my fees by 200 next year to ensure the WHOLE resort is painted then moving forward pay an extra 3.3 Euros per month to ensure that the resort gets painted every 5 years. ML need to look at ways hurting people other ways. This is just an opinion and I'm sure some people will agree and vice versa.

That is my point. If you paint now you may still have to pay for painting later........... The issue here is that ML don't appear to have started the process yet and are focusing on the outstanding debts.You mention that it will be unfair, but while understandable there has to be a uniform approach controlled by ML or else we will have a total breakdown of the management of the resort.

With regards to those that haven't paid, you will have to add a levy to them and paint their apartments as well. Failure by them to pay this will just add ( with interest) to the final settlement that may have to end up in the courts. I'm not sure how aggressive ML are with these people but the I suggest it is only heading in one direction which is the courts. I can't see any other way around this if we want to maintain some standard on the resorts. It may be that you can disconnect their water, elec to force the issue but I suspect this may be illegal. 

Hopefully ML have this in hand but sounds like the non payers can continue to use the rsort and their homes whilst sticking two fingers up at everyone else.