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11 Jun 2013 5:22 PM by debs77 Star rating in Sheffield / Jardin 1.... 97 forum posts Send private message

Is it worth exploring the costs of astroturf?  Depending on figures for implementing and maintaining versus grass, if its cheaper/easier to maintain one or two of the pitches could be converted.  I'm not sure though, I imagine the costs may still be high - does anyone have any experience?




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14 Jun 2013 7:20 PM by CrashTester Star rating. 157 forum posts Send private message

I'm not a fully fledged member of the community yet so not completely in the know about Condado but if I understand correctly the pitches do not belong to the community so community fees won't be used to maintain them yet the current owners are not maintaining them, presumably because they have no money and there is no use.

Can't the community lease a pitch (or more) for a few years and either agree to get it functional and maintained (for a longer lease) or some other arrangement of this kind? Once we have it there is all sorts of good uses for it (renting to local teams, competitions, etc)

As a future owner I see the benefit of having this facility on our doorstep and don't really mind paying a little extra to have it but agree with others that if it does not belong to the community then it may not be a good idea to spend community money to just maintain it when it still belongs to a private owner.




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15 Jun 2013 10:39 AM by 2littletinkers Star rating in Naranjos 5. 549 forum posts Send private message

We already have a functional football pitch/ netball court at the Condado Club....which the Spanish are happy to use. The Condado Club do not charge for this.

How many football pitches do we need???

IRM have the money as they maintain the courses where they have hotels, we just dont seem to be of any importance!! IRM do Condado residents no favours with the fees they charge us so why on earth would we want to fix their pitch when there is a perfectly good pitch at the Condado Club.




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15 Jun 2013 6:20 PM by andyclarke Star rating. 207 forum posts Send private message

 with all respect how many kids could play at any one time on the club court, we have 3 big pitches sitting empty covered in weeds and looking a mess, if people don't want to try and get this sorted out don't keep moaning, phoning security when kids are playing footie on the gardens, you know who you are, especially J13.




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15 Jun 2013 10:04 PM by chaddyowl Star rating in Manchester. 1264 forum posts Send private message

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I have a proposal to put to next level 2 meeting which may be a solution regarding the pitches but will not put it on open forum for obvious reasons.

if your interested send me a message.

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16 Jun 2013 9:56 AM by david & ellie Star rating. 82 forum posts Send private message

The "pitch" at the Condado Club is a concrete court so a grass pitch would be a welcome addition and i'm fiarly sure it would be well used. I know that a local club tried to do a deal to lease the pitches a few years back and would have sorted out the surface. They would have trained and ran their soccer schools there and the community would have had the benefit as well but they were told no.
Personally i would love to see the pitches sorted out: cycle to the pitch, a kick about with the kids and a pint in the clover afterwards: perfect!
David


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16 Jun 2013 11:25 AM by ptan Star rating in Los Naranjos Jardine.... 1696 forum posts Send private message

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 All,

The problem with the football pitches is not the cost of repair or the on going maintainance as these would be miminal, the main problem is that they are owned by IRM not the community.

In May last year, having agreed with IRM that the community could have continued use of the pitches, I met with STV and agreed a cost for the main pitch to be cleared and reseeded, this was then put to a vote of all the Level 3 presidents and approved

see http://cdagr.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/footbal-pitches-l2-mayu-2012.pdf and http://cdagr.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/football-patch-repairs.pdf

The plan at the time was to restore the first pitch that year and the second the following year, it was also planned that a steps be built from the back entrance of Al Kasar up to the football pitch to allow easy access to the toilet and refreshment facilities, an agreement had been made with one of the service providers to sponsor the cost of the steps so these would of been cost free to the community.  In the long term it was planned that once the second pitch was ready for use the first pitch, nearest Al Kasar, could be converted into a smaller football pitch and also a park area created which could contain shaded seeating areas, a childrens play area, outside gym equipment etc etc.  Being close to Al Kasar and with easy access down the new steps this would of been the perfect location for a park such as this.

STV started work on restoring the pitches mid May,  firstly they were treated with weed killer then they were to be recoated with good quality top soil and reseeded, the new soil was delivered and the remains can still be seen behind J13.  

On June 7th I met with the director of IRM who informed me that IRM now planned to lease the footbal pitches out to a third parrty so the community could no longer have free use of them.  Work was obvouly stopped and all the presidents informed see cdagr.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/9th-in-june-minute.pdf

It would appear that IRM's plans to lease the football pitches came to nothing but as my involvement with the community finished in Aug I do not know if any further discussions took place.

So,  if the owners want the football pitches put back into use they should lobby the presidents of level 2 who now seem to be making the decisions to reopen negociations with IRM for their use by the community.  Cost wise the repair of the pitches is minimal but without a commitment from IRM that the community can use them for a minimun 2/3 year period it would be throwing money away that the community canot afford.

 Andy - I will forward you all the information I have on this, good luck.

 


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16 Jun 2013 12:06 PM by gabecooney Star rating in London, Herts & Jard.... 89 forum posts Send private message

Phil it certainly does sound like you had this under control, accompanied with a well thought out, strategic and cost effective plan. How on earth this didn't come to fruition is a damn shame, but in light of recent interest on this thread alone, I for one would support all the way to try to bring life back to your original plan as I can see very little objections if any as to how you detailed and covered timings, resources, budgets and even sponsorship into a well structured solution.

Andy and anyone else interested, can I suggest that we all support in whatever way possible to bring this back to life. What with the very fact that the topsoil is already on-site, this project has already started as such so has to be an easier argument/case to put forward with the help of our level 2 presidents to IRM.

I guess too Phil, you might find that the community calls upon your good self again for some help/advice on this.
This is by far the best solution I personally can see to sorting the pitches.
Thank you for sharing.
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22 Jun 2013 7:40 PM by Lanky Star rating. 26 forum posts Send private message

 

I have watched with interest the debate about the football pitches. I am a keen golfer and amateur football coach in the UK with two, football mad sons who have made extensive use of the Condado pitches over the last few summers. Sadly, I only manage to visit CdA once a year for the annual family holiday, so I am not fully up to speed with the goings on at CdA nor am I in with the in-crowd of people who make the place tick.
 
The problem is simple to define. We have a resource (the pitches) which some find of value but not everyone. There is a cost involved in maintaining them. Those who don’t think they are of much value don’t want to share the cost. Those who think them valuable are happy to pay but administering individual payments from individual players is not cost effective.
If we cannot persuade the owners to take maintenance seriously we must either live with it as is, or take the initiative. If we manage to raise some funds, it would need someone on site to take responsibility for looking after the funds and spending them appropriately. Is there anyone out there who would volunteer ?
 
Below are my comments on taking this forward:
1.       Take small steps – aim to get one pitch up to scratch. If there is demand for more pitches this will soon become obvious. 
 
2.       Aim low – I think recreating the lush, green manicured pitches (some of) the kids in the UK play on is unrealistic. Aim to get the pitch into a safe condition – fill in the pot holes, cut down the weeds, etc. Millions of kids around the world play on bare flat surfaces, as do thousands in Spain. It’s rare to see green grass on a kids pitch in Spain.
 
3.       Start with a bang – what about a day of action ? Pick a date, early in the summer when there are lots of people around, and invite all the interested kids and parents onto the pitch, sleeves rolled up and get going. (Possibly need to obtain permission from the owners first).
 
4.       Pay as you play – not really feasible for individuals, especially kids, to pay every time they want a kick about, particularly when the can play at Condado Club’s pitch for free (and the gardens are always available too !!). But thought should be given to team events – this is how most of the UK 5-a-side venues are financed.  It would be great if there were enough people living on CdA to run a league during the football season, with all games being played on the same pitch. If this is not feasible how about a few small tournaments during the summer, when the development is well populated, with each team paying to take part. Ideally with each garden/block putting in a team. Perhaps the people who sponsor all the golf trophies would also sponsor the football tournaments.
 
5.       Donations – this has been mentioned before. I think it is a good idea. I would be happy to contribute. Lets set up a bank account, and see who much we can raise in say a month. If it’s insignificant and the idea is scrapped any monies raised could be paid to the local medical charity.  
 
6.       Community Charge – I realise that not everyone wants to pay. But what about having an opt-in option for those who are happy to pay an extra 20 euros per quarter to fund the maintenance of the pitches, or even an opt-out for those not willing to pay. Obviously this would need Mileniun to play ball (pardon the pun).
 
7.       Sponsorship – as far as I can see the people who own Sabores are aiming at the youth market, especially with their new sweet shop. Maybe they would be interested in sponsoring the maintenance costs in order to cement their relationship with the kids. In addition, one (or more) of the other bars may be interested if the grown-ups were encouraged to visit their venue for a pint after each game.
 
Fingers crossed something can be sorted.
Lanky
 



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23 Jun 2013 7:16 AM by barri Star rating. 114 forum posts Send private message

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23 Jun 2013 8:18 AM by Lanky Star rating. 26 forum posts Send private message

Charming !! Nice positive attitude Barri. Only trying to put forward some ideas.


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23 Jun 2013 9:34 AM by neil2610 Star rating in we're from west midl.... 142 forum posts Send private message

Hi Lanky,
I thought your post was fine. Unfortunately some people on this site seem to suffer from terrets and have to shout out at anything or anyone who is trying to improve the area we all use.

I thought your post was clear and full of support.

Neil


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23 Jun 2013 9:56 AM by ladylola Star rating in Swansea . Los Nara.... 337 forum posts Send private message

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Hi Lanky,

It is so sad but it's the likes of Barri that mean I very rarely bother to comment on EOS any more. I agree with Neil that what you have posted is well thought out and clear. Don't let idiots put you off.

The only thing I would say is push your thoughts up to you garden president as that is the only way things may get done. I know that it has worked for us and if a 'no' or a 'not now' comes back at least there is a reason why. We do finally seem to have a group of presidents who are working together which can only be a good things.

Some people post very simplistic 'I know all the answers' responses that can twist the real picture of what is going on which is not always helpful. We all want a quick fix when we see something we want to happen but it isn't always that simple and I don't think that there is a simple answer to this particular question. That said I think the majority may well support something here as even if you don't play footie it would improve the aesthetics of the resort.

 



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23 Jun 2013 10:27 AM by barri Star rating. 114 forum posts Send private message

people like you should not post because your are boriing


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23 Jun 2013 10:54 AM by ladylola Star rating in Swansea . Los Nara.... 337 forum posts Send private message

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But I can spell and string a sentence together rather than post drivel like you Barri.

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23 Jun 2013 3:32 PM by steveob Star rating in UK. 22 forum posts Send private message

I agree with your post, something does need to be done for the sake of the resort. I personally have no interest in the pitches but I believe if you have a property on condado then you pay for all facilities.


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23 Jun 2013 7:52 PM by 2littletinkers Star rating in Naranjos 5. 549 forum posts Send private message

BUT the pitches dont belong to the community...so it is up to those individuals who feel so strongly about them to get off EOS and raise some funds and possibly some manual labour!

Though a guarantee of our continued use, if restored, would be first required from IRM.

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23 Jun 2013 9:24 PM by Jay05 Star rating in We are in Los Naranj.... 1464 forum posts Send private message

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Good Work Lanky, top man.

All your points were valid and hopefully can be adopted. Its gonna be a big summer out there this year, probably our biggest yet so some momentum now could really kick start it.

The multi sport court at the condado club is a great facility and well used by a lot of kids but it's a very hard surface. Thats fine for for lightweight games between kids but as proved last year in a slightly more competitive situation with "BIGGER" kids ended up with a young man with a broken collar bone after a particular heavy fall on that surface.

We were nearly there last May as Phil has explained and maybe Chaddy can re-stoke them fires in the next meeting. Will be very interested in that.

As for all the neg heads whats up wiv ya.....it might not be your bag but whats good for  the resort is good for all us and will benefit us all long term.

Jay




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23 Jun 2013 10:25 PM by ptan Star rating in Los Naranjos Jardine.... 1696 forum posts Send private message

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 2littletinkers ;-

"Though a guarantee of our continued use, if restored, would be first required from IRM." -----  Exactly.

 

The first thing to do would be for the presidents to open discussions with IRM for the use of the pitches, preferably for an agreed minumum period.   Only when would it be worth sorting out the financial side.  As I detailed below the costs are not that great and the expenditure should be findable within the budget.   The previous presdents supported this and it was approved by the majority, just needs to be relooked at again and new costing sought.



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