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This has just appeared on Manilvalife.com...Please note date of El Hacho AGM
SUMMARY OF MEETING HELD BY EUC 6TH FEBRUARY 2008
The meeting was held at the Golf Course and chaired by Jesus Rodriguez. The translator was Victor Martinez and one other EUC representative was on the top table. There no representation by the Ayuntamiento. There were around 50-55 people in attendance including our lawyers, Rosa Luchon and Oscar Bornico.
Jesus Rodriguez made an initial statement advising that the Mayor was not present as she was unable to attend at the last minute. He then made a lengthy appeal for funds and defended the EUC’s legality. He made a number of false claims concerning the situation of our court case (we are actually pending a hearing date to be set by the Judge). He threatened that the El Hacho area will run into ruin unless residents pay the EUC (only about 9% of residents have paid so far, which corresponds to 25% of their budget). He advised that the AGM of the EUC will be held on 30th March and that in early April they hope to have the consent of the Mayor to issue further invoices from the EUC.
He invited questions from the floor which did not cover any new information or issues.
Eventually, our Lawyer, Rosa Luchon, was able to put forward the Plataforma’s point of view. She refuted the statements made by Jesus Rodriguez as false and in particular pointed out that our court case is definitely proceeding by producing paperwork as proof. She also doubted Jesus Rodriguez’ claim that the Mayor will give her consent to issuing new EUC invoices as the Mayor was not in attendance at the meeting – demonstrating a lack of interest towards the EUC.
Rosa’s statement (in Spanish) was greeted by a storm of applause from the Spanish residents in attendance. Oscar Bornico then translated Rosa’s statement into English. There followed various arguments between the top table and Oscar which resulted in his departure from the meeting. Other Plataforma members and supporters also walked out (around 12 in all).
The meeting then continued with other questions from the floor in English but the translation into Spanish by Victor Martinez was very poor and the questions were not responded to properly. This resulted in a number of other residents leaving the meeting as the English speaking attendees could not understand what was happening.
Other notes: Plataforma members should be aware that:
* Our lawyers continue to pressure the Mayor to make a decision regarding the EUC. They had a of meeting with her (before 6th February) in which alternative funding for El Hacho, instead of the EUC, was discussed and is being studied.
* Our lawyers continue to monitor the Judge’s response to our request for an Escrow Account. It should be noted that the Judge has agreed to consider our request for an escrow account which is a positive indication. It is in her power to refuse a request without consideration if she feels the matter is not relevant or appropriate.
* It appears that the EUC is running out of funds to pay their staff and themselves. This is why they are now making more effort to contact residents and are using “scare” tactics to try to obtain more funds. Members of the Plataforma should let others know that we are in a strong position and welcome new members to support our cause.
We will continue to monitor the situation and advise you accordingly.
Carmen Quintano Nicky Conway-Hann Oscar Bornico
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John
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Thanks for that, John.
Interesting to note - unless I have misunderstood something somewhere - that the payments from less than 10% of the residents equate to 25% of the EUC budget. So what were they planning to do with the rest of the monies collected, if they had indeed collected the funds already from all the residents in the EUC area??
And I suppose that what they have collected so far has been utilised to pay staff/admin expenses, as I haven't read anything that refers to any works actually being carried out by the EUC!!!
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Latest Info I have seen.
Please note the request for all residents to register with town hall..I have highlighted in RED
SUMMARY OF THE POSITION OF PLATAFORMA
as at 23rd February 2008
THE PRESENT POSITION:
* Although there are entities similar to EUC in other areas of Spain, the difference here is that the EUC EL HACHO was set up illegally, without proper discussion and contact with the residents and has no time limit.
* Our case against the EUC has been accepted by the Judge in Malaga. By accepting the case, the Judge has indicated that there is a case to answer. Claims by the EUC that there is no case are completely erroneous.
* The Judge will set a hearing date at which both sides will put their arguments.
* At the time of initial presentation of the case to the Judge, our lawyers requested an escrow account be opened to accept payment of invoices pending a decision on the case. At that time the EUC had not re-issued their invoices and had not pressured the residents to pay. The Judge advised that until the EUC initiated further requests for funds, there was no need to open an escrow account. Subsequently, the EUC issued a circular to all residents urging them to pay the invoices. This was sufficient for our lawyers to return to the Judge and ask for the escrow account to now be opened. This request is pending a response from the Judge.
* Our lawyers have also met with the Mayor of Manilva to put our case and to try to find a solution outside of the court. The Mayor has listened to our complaints with regard to the illegality of the EUC and the manner in which it is being run. She has understood our concerns at the EUC’s “budget” which includes huge “loan” repayments and administration costs.
* Our lawyers have suggested an alternative way of obtaining funds for the Port area in raising the IBI by a small percentage for ALL residents in Manilva rather than penalising the few in the port area. This suggestion is being considered by the Mayor and we anticipate a response within the next week, (although, please note that the Mayor has recently undergone an operation and so has been out of office for a week).
* The Mayor recognizes the strength of our numbers and understands how strongly we feel about corruption in this area.
* She recognizes that the Town Hall already have the administration in place to collect IBI payments so the overheads of the EUC (some €90,000 per annum) are excessive.
* The Mayor is considering our suggestions on the basis that the Plataforma has a large membership and support. Given the small number of residents who generally vote in the Manilva area, the Plataforma has significant voting power.
* The Mayor requested that we urge all our members to become REGISTERED at the Town Hall (empadronamiento). By registering as residents at the Town Hall it is possible to ascertain the true number of people living in the area. This enables the Town Hall to collect more support from central Government in the form of public services etc. Failure to register means that the population of Manilva is not correctly counted and so we do not get the services we should. Residents should note that registering for Empadronamiento is totally different than being registered at the Hacienda for tax. Empadronamiento merely enables the Town Hall to count the true number of residents that are in the area – there is no tax or fee to pay and your details are for census purposes only.
* It should be noted that the Mayor did not attend the EUC meeting on 6th February. She cancelled only some 5 minutes before the meeting started. This is a strong indication that the Mayor is trying to distance herself from the EUC and is therefore unlikely to agree to further invoices being issued (although the we hope the escrow account will be opened shortly in any case).
* Whilst the port and surrounding area needs urgent maintenance at the present time, we believe it is imperative that we stand strong at this most important point. With our court case, the number of supporters and the strength of our legal team we are in a very good position to stop the misuse of funds in the El Hacho area and to obtain a satisfactory long term solution. The maintenance will be dealt with via the Town Hall directly through IBI, without the need for another committee with dubious credibility and inflated budgets.
* If the EUC attempt to hold their AGM on 30th March, we will, of course, ensure that our lawyers attend to represent the Plataforma and defend our rights
* Finally, as we have reached such a strong position it is now EVEN MORE ESSENTIAL that we continue to push for the best long term solution without weakening our resolve and giving into the “bully boy” tactics of the EUC.
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John
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Hi, we have just received a bank statement and note that an amount of just under 750 euros has been taken from our account for El Hacho - I am not sure if we should be paying this, as I know there is court involvement and that the developer was paying.
Can anyone advise me if this is correct or should we make a noise! has anyone else been charged this and would this figure be for the year etc etc. We are at the moment considering cancelling direct debits due to this,.
Thanks for any help and advice.
Regards M
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Until the Court case is setted I would not authorise any payment.
Who exactly took the money. Was it AEA, if so they have acted in breach of the Court instructions (see posting below)
Michael
This message was last edited by michael52 on 3/13/2008. This message was last edited by michael52 on 3/13/2008.
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I had a payment taken from my account by DD which was described as El Hacho on the statement I received from the bank. it turned out to be the standard community payment to AEA.
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It was probably your community fees as El Hacho appears in the description somewhere, besides the fee was only €300 last year which RyF paid for us.
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Thanks for your replies, we already paid 300 euros community fees in October when we completed, so another 700 plus euros seems a bit excessive, but will look into it and report back!!
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Mimmie
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I just read on Manilva Life that on April 9th Mr Ros stood down and the mayoress took over as president. Was anyone here at the meeting? Sounds like she will investigate and bill us what she thinks is fair or that's what I understand...
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Here is a link to the latest update on El Hacho....looks like we need to ensure we pay our bills .
http://www.manilvalife.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=7883
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Interesting reading!
Point is, for us in Duquesa Village who have not been invoiced as yet and in respect of whom RyF paid the bills up until end 2007, how do we pay?? And, especially, for those non-resident, how do we pay before end of May? If invoices have been posted, how do non-residents, again, get that invoice? And from what I've read about the post office and obtaining mail there, it would seem impossible to collect it even if we were there in person!!
Baffled to say the least!!!
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Here is the link for the update, I have taken professional advice on how to embed the link in the message so it should be easier to navigate to the update.
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Hi Pitby,
I couldn't agree more! We completed in March 2007 and we have 1 water bill and 2 electricity bills that I have managed to salvage from the post office whilst we have been over. Over the last 2 days I have phoned Endesa numerous times to speak with an English operator to change the address of our bills to a PO box we are renting in the Port (so we can actually see our bills for a start), but I am put on hold for so long it is ridiculous! I have gven up again for the time being, but sorry getting back to the point...
How are we going to get copies of the El Hacho invoices? If we all have to phone Nicky Conway-Hann the english speaking representative he will be inundated! Fingers crossed they will be able to email us copies in the UK and there will be a bank account to make an electronic transfer. Failing that I don't think they will be getting it before the end of May!!
Anyone any idea on how much these invoices will be for?
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Michelle
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That's another point, Michelle - how much? According to the update today, quote:
"4. Payment of the outstanding Entity bill, issued last year, needs to be made by all owners in order to continue the maintenance of El Hacho during the transitory period. This payment covers 3 years i.e. from 2006 to 2009 inclusive and not just one year as was originally invoiced. There will be no additional demand for payment." (The bold text is my editing)
That would suggest that the invoice for €300 that was issued (I believe that was the amount) is the full amount for the period to end 2009. Would that be right? And, again, if that is the case and RyF "have paid" the fees (which were originally thought to be for last year only) do we reimburse RyF, upon proof of their payment, for this year and next year? Or what?
How can they ask for payment to be made by end of May with so many loose ends??? Especially for developments such as ours that aren't even complete!!
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Jan, Michelle
It seems to unclear what we will owe as individuals as I thought that macro community fee for El Hacho is €300 per annum and I was also told that RyF have paid these fees for us until the end of 2007 and from then on we need to pay them. RyF will have to pay for all unsold properties as they also pay the community charge to AEA for these.
4. Payment of the outstanding Entity bill, issued last year, needs to be made by all owners in order to continue the maintenance of El Hacho during the transitory period. This payment covers 3 years i.e. from 2006 to 2009 inclusive and not just one year as was originally invoiced. There will be no additional demand for payment....This is also confusing as 2006 to 2009 inclusive is 4 years. what i think might happen is that we will get an invoice for 2 years 2008 to 2009 inclusive...but who knows????
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