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01 Jan 2008 12:00 AM by barbara b Star rating in Huddersfield/La Cana.... 20 forum posts Send private message

Hi everyone
Hope you had a good new year without any further break-ins.
Have arrived back in England to find a letter regarding the formation of a residents association for M3-1 A18 Villamartin.
The date is set for 1st Feb 2008 10.00 at Villamartin Golf Club. There is a proxy form enclosed but no details as regards the extent of M3-1 A18. We are on phase 1 of the development. We need a good turnout or at least the proxy votes organised. Quara have requested Canovas Ingenieros S.L. set up the residents assn. If anyone has any information on their track record please share it.
I know that the postal service in Spain is worse than ours so I hope you get your letters soon
Best wishes
Barbara


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01 Jan 2008 9:17 PM by AdamAmy Star rating. 15 forum posts Send private message

Hi Barbera

 

Sorry to hear you were burgled.  Do you know of any of the other properties having been burgled at same time as yours?

Am interested to hear about a residence association, who organises this and who says so?

We are coming out on 29th January so would be grateful for more details on this, as we seem to be off Villa Martins mailing list

Best wishes for the new year, Ros No 72

 

 




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02 Jan 2008 1:37 PM by icwright0705 Star rating in Benfleet, Essex - La.... 31 forum posts Send private message

The following information was received through contacts as Quara are doing the same at another of their developments in Villamartin area.
 
In essence it means that the builders – Quara – have taken the first step in officially handing over the sector in which we own properties to us as actual owners. That first step will be at the meeting to be held at Villamartin Golf Course on the 1 February 2008.
 
The date cannot be altered and the meeting will go ahead – it has been registered at a Notary - and despite what you may hear to the contrary the administrators actually only need give three days notice.
 
At the meeting there will be two calls for those present – the first call will be to see if there are enough present to form a quorum – only four although I do not know whether this has to be four separate people entitled to vote or a total of four voters – actually present or by proxy. If there are insufficient a further call will be made half an hour later and then the meeting will proceed no matter how few people are in attendance. As stated the meeting will go ahead.
 
If you cannot attend it is in your best interests to appoint a proxy voter. Without your attendance or a proxy vote you will not have any say in how your community is run for at least the next year.
 
The first order of business will be to establish the constitution of the community which is fairly standard – although I would strongly suggest that the name of the administrator is not actually mentioned within the constitution. Once the constitution is finalised it is almost impossible to get it altered and if Canovas are named it may prove very difficult to get them removed should the need arise – more on that later.
 
The next is the election of officials.
 
The only official that must be elected is the President, and his job will be to oversee the snags for anything on the community that needs to be fixed, liaise with the administrators and builders over all matters affecting communal areas, arrange for contractors to be appointed for gardening, pool maintenance, cleaning etc., (all of these will be with the assistance of the administrators) and generally be in charge of the community for at least a year.
 
It has been suggested that at least one Vice-President be elected but where communities have mixed housing – blocques of apartments as well as houses and apartments – it might be wise to have two Vice-Presidents, one with specific responsibility for their own particular area – of relevance when finance is involved.
 
There is no need for a Treasurer as some people have suggested but an Auditor to check the accounts at the end of each year might be a good idea.
 
Other than that there is no need for anyone else.
 
The next item on the agenda is finance and the administrators will set a budget for the year based on their experience of dealing with numerous other communities.
 
This budget will then be split between all the properties based initially on size of property so a three bedroom house will attract a higher rate than a two bedroom apartment, but where apartment blocques are involved there will be an additional expense as they will be required to cover the extra cost of cleaning the corridors and the upkeep and maintenance of the lifts – which are not used by other owners in the sector. Hence the suggestion that the blocques actually have their own Vice-President.
 
Finally, to any other business which most would assume will revolve around snagging and resolving all outstanding issues with regard the communal areas. Whilst it is essential that all snags are brought up to date as soon as possible, a site meeting will be scheduled with the President - or his representative – an architect from Quara and a member of the administrators for the next working day after the meeting. At that meeting all snags will be noted so it is essential that anything you have to say on this is made available either before the meeting or at the meeting.
 
The only other matter of importance which needs to be brought up is the thorny issue of Community Rules – both General and relating to the Pool. I have acquired a number of different versions over the past couple of years whilst running Canal Print and have managed to condense them down to the most salient points effectively on two sheets of A4 paper. These would need to be supplied to every property as well as being displayed prominently on external notice boards. Anyone wishing to see copies of the versions I have can request them direct from me.
 
It is expected that the meeting will last between one and a half and two hours.
 
There are one or two important points which need to be raised which do not come within the framework of the meeting itself.
 
Firstly the administrators, Canovas. Basically we have no option but to accept them for the first year.
 
I have had two totally differing opinion of them – one from a man who wished to remain nameless and his comments by email word for word were - Our adminstrators/community officials are called Canovas and we get taken to the cleaners at every opprtunity. Its jobs for the boys most definatley. Be cautious.
 
However I subsequently met with the President of another community on Pau-8 who has been working with Canovas for almost three years and she says they are most helpful. She said they had even been able to help individual owners with problems over internal snags
 
I have been to see them today and despite the obvious fact that they were under a lot of pressure trying to set up at least 5 meetings – quite possibly a lot more – they were willing to spend as much time as was needed to discuss the many issues that are involved.
 
As stated, we have no option but to use them but they did seem very helpful and they even added my name to the list of owners as they had my property down as still being owned by Quara – the list, of course, was supplied by Quara. Therefore, if you have not received a notification form might I suggest you telephone Canovas on 0034 965 326 226 and ask Lisa to see if you are on the list. She is English which is a bonus.
 
Whilst at the administrators I asked about Quara and their payment of community fees for empty properties and was told that they do pay up when asked – although they are not normally asked until the end of the tax year.
 
Finally, I really cannot emphasise this point enough – If you own a property on one of the sectors that is about to have a community established you must attend in person or approve a proxy vote. I do not care who that proxy vote is provided it is NOT the administrators.
I have a copy of the book "You and the Law in Spain" which is good and provides a wealth of information.
Carol and Ian at plot 13 are concerned about Quara setting up the community at this stage with so much work still remaining on our communal areas. We had thought from our original discussions with Quara (no doubt long forgotten by them by now) that all three phases would be part of one community and would therefore share amenities and resources. We think that M3-1 is just Phase 1 although we could be wrong, if you are based in Spain you could ring  else maybe email Canovas about what plots are included.
I am not sure if we can block Quara from setting up the community if we have more votes than they do at the meeting (which means if there are more properties sold to clients than unsold) but if we do not attend or appoint a suitable proxy voter which should not be Canovas or Quara we may have little effect.
We are not sure whether we can get out to attend the meeting and would ask anyone who has received the notification for M3-1 or has bought a property on Phase 1 to contact us by email which is our posted by name.


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21 Jan 2008 1:59 PM by icwright0705 Star rating in Benfleet, Essex - La.... 31 forum posts Send private message

'M13-1 A18 Villamartin Community Set up Meeting' is scheduled for 10.00hrs on Friday 1st February 2008 at Villamartin Golf Club Restaurant .

We have emailed Canovas (who have been appointed by Quara to set up community and to act as adminstrators for the first year) and asked for clarification whether this is just for Phase 1 at La Canada or all 3 phases. They have not replied to our email which we sent on 4 January.

We are concerned as we feel there should be one community covering all 3 phases and not separate ones. This will give us more clout. In addition we feel that the communal areas and facilities should be completed and available before the community is set up and takes over responsibility for them.

Please contact us by email if we can include you in a circular email keeping all La Canada residents & owners informed about what is going on and what we need to do. (Please note your email addresses will not be disclosed to any other residents if you request this in your email to us. We would then copy you on our emails as a BCC - blind copy not able to be seen by any other recipients of the email.)

If you are unable to attend the meeting on 1st February please appoint a proxy vote but not Canovas as they will no doubt be acting primarily for Quara.

We have sent the following to our solicitor asking for his advice :-

Quara are now trying to set up the Community for Phase 1 although the communal areas and facilities have not been satisfactorily completed yet.
Can we stop them pushing us to take over the community as the roads are not complete and the roundabout is not open and phase three is still in construction?
The development has two pools one in phase one and one in phase two, and phase three has no pool. We were told at the time of purchase that we would be able to use both pools but how can this be if we are part of a different community? Also phase three has no pool so we should all be part of the same community do you not think?
The meeting is set for February to set up the community for phase one, what should we do?

If you are in agreement with our views expressed in our earlier post about Resident Association we can email you a proxy form for this meeting only, with our details and postal address in the UK if you would like us to act as your proxy at this meeting. Please contact us before the end of this week to allow for postal delivery time before I leave for Spain on 31 January to attend the meeting on 1 February.

If you will be in Spain on 31 January we hope to be able to get together that afternoon or evening before the meeting on Friday. We are Plot 13 on Phase 1. If you will be arriving for the meeting on 1 February again please let us know as we may have a chance to get together before the meeting proper begins.



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22 Jan 2008 2:05 PM by Roo Star rating in Southport/La Canada. 59 forum posts Send private message

This is very worrying for us - our quad has not yet been finished, which leads me to assume that we are in phase 3 of the build and according to your logic (which seems sound) we may not have access to either of the pools on site! I agree entirely with you that the site is so small that it should be one community, with everyone contributing via community fees (which would be smaller because there would be more people contributing) and having access to both pools.  It seems to me that the builders are in such a hurry to offload their responsibilities that they are more than willing to split the site up to suit themselves, but I think that if we just sit back and allow them to do this we will regret it. 

I will certainly be emailing Ian and Carol as they suggest in their post, so that maybe as a group we can have more clout than as individuals.  I hope everyone else who feels the same way will join in - once these important decisions are made, they will be difficult or impossible to change at a later date so please ACT NOW!!!




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22 Jan 2008 7:20 PM by Colin&Ruth Star rating. 2 forum posts Send private message

Roo

We agree. This is all very worrying and it is important to stick together. We have e-mailed Ian & Carol to ask for a proxy voting form and are happy for them to vote on our behalf. We also have a house on phase 3 and were told we had access to the 2 pools on phase 1 & 2 by our agents EAS and Quara. Our experiences to date have been unpleasant to say the least. Our first house on phase one was not built to the design specifications and we refused to accept it. The second (quad bugalow) we were advised was ready in September, when we checked the house was almost finished but no gates, no garden, and a number of obvious outstanding faults needed action, needless to say we returned home without signing. We were informed before Xmas once again the house was ready and we should make arrangements to fly out to complete the purchase, we replied stating that before we did this we would like them to confirm the completion of the work by supplying us with photographic evidence. This has not been forthcoming, today we received yet another 'standard letter from our agent asking us to fly out and complete, it would seem that they have ignored our requests for confirmation of the work to be completed. Once again we will be writing to seek confirmation before we travel.

For the record  we can see nothing in our contract that says our gardens are 'communal' and expect this to be done before signing. The whole project seems to have stalled, is there a lack of money to complete the work, are there still a number of these houses to be sold? Why are they so keen to deviate from what we signed up for and were told when we purchased.

Is it worth seeking independant legal advice? If we are not careful we will end up paying out significantly more money than we all intended and they will divide us by setting up seperate communities, remeber the old saying 'divide and conquer'!

We urge you all to support Ian & Carol and fight the devisive tactics which the builders seem to be using to complete the purchases

Colin & Ruth




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23 Jan 2008 12:55 PM by icwright0705 Star rating in Benfleet, Essex - La.... 31 forum posts Send private message

On Monday 21 January we obtained feedback, from Terry & Vicki Plot 12, on the meeting with Marcela from Quara and a meeting with Lisa from Canovas, the administrators appointed by Quara for setting up the community. There were about 30 residents there and the meeting with Lisa was for about two and a half hours.

During the meeting with Quara it was confirmed that Quara have no plans one way or another about developing the commercial area. Marcela then went round the site and many photos were taken of communal area problems that needed rectifying and/or finishing

We had been told by Quara they were building eight or nine units, in the meeting with them before we signed the contract to purchase our plot. The property is for us a financial investment to finance our retirement and we feel it devalues the property not having a few shops and restaurants that are in walking distance of the villas. We need to rent out the villa and the protracted building with nothing getting finished is not making it easy to rent and is not much fun for the resident owners either. We are having to price low in order to achieve any rentals. No rental agency will take on the villa without the area being totally finished and we have no idea when that will be. Marcela from Quara said that it could be a further nine months before the roundabout is in place and the road open which means another year without being able to rent out with any great success. Other developers will be building half of the commercial area but we have little idea when that will be.

Those at the meeting felt it went well and that they were optimistic of a good outcome based on the flurry of activity in the last week even sweeping the communal area'. Nothing is in writing so could be false promises! Plots 1 to 33 (M3 Phase 1) are to start the community which they were told would in our best interests as the administrators can push for work to be done to Quara better that we can on our own! The intention would be that we would all be one community in the end.

We would be happier with being fully informed as to what is going on. We emailed the administrators and asked if the meeting at the end of the month was for all at the development and we did not get a reply. Why?

DEAR MR & MRS WRIGHT
I OWN A PROPERTY ON R-6, PAU-8 VILLAMARTIN. OUR AREA IS NOW CALLED LAS VIOLETAS AND IS SITUATED PAST THE PLAZA AND OVER THE CANAL. I THINK WE WERE ASKED TO FILL IN THE QUESTIONNAIRE AT THE SAME TIME AS YOU BECAUSE OUR PROPERTY WAS LESS THAN 5 YEARS OLD.
I HAVE OWNED MY PROPERTY NOW FOR OVER 2 YEARS AND OUR COMMUNITY HAS BEEN FORMED FOR ALMOST AS LONG SO I HAVE A LITTLE EXPERIENCE WITH A.G.M. PROTOCOL SO IF I CAN HELP AT ALL I WILL. I SEE THAT GRAEME CLARK FROM VILLA PLAZA PROPERTIES HAS YOU ON HIS LIST AND HIS POINTS ARE VERY GOOD. JUST A FEW POINTS THAT I THINK WILL HELP OUT. PLEASE FORGIVE ME IF YOU KNOW THESE ALREADY.

PLEASE ADVISE ANY OWNERS WHO HAVE BEEN GIVEN A PROXY VOTE TO TAKE EVIDENCE OF THIS ALONG TO THE MEETING EVEN IF THE NON ATTENDANTS HAVE FILLED IN A PROXY VOTE AND E-MAILED TO THE ADMINISTRATORS. AT OUR LAST A.G.M. I HAD THE PROXY FOR 2 OTHER OWNERS AND WHILST BOTH OF THEM E-MAILED THE FORM BACK, OUR ADMINISTRATORS SAID THEY HAD NOT RECEIVED EITHER AND SO I COULD NOT USE THEIR VOTES. LUCKILY I HAD TAKEN A PRINTOUT OF BOTH E-MAILS WITH ME AND AFTER CAREFUL SCRUTINY (CHECKING SENDERS NAME AND E-MAIL ADDRESS AGAINST THEIR FILES) THEY GRUDGINGLY ALLOWED ME TO USE THE VOTES.

YOU HAVE A GOOD POINT ABOUT THE GATES. WE HAD PROBLEMS WITH OUR PAVED AREA AROUND THE POOL AND AS SOON AS THE COMMUNITY WAS FORMED ALL OF A SUDDEN THE BUILDER DIDN'T WANT TO KNOW. EVEN THOUGH THE PROBLEM WAS HIGHLIGHTED ON THE "SNAG LIST". OVER 2 YEARS DOWN THE LINE WE HAVE NOT GOT ANY FURTHER, IN FACT THE BUILDER HAS CATEGORICALLY STATED THAT THEY WILL DO NO MORE. SO ITS NOW UP TO US.

FINANCE WISE FOR YOUR COMMUNITY ONE REALLY GOOD TIP IS THIS..."FINE" EVERYONE WHO DOES NOT PAY THEIR COMMUNITY CHARGE ON TIME, NOT ONLY DOES THIS DISSUADE OWNERS FROM PAYING LATE, THUS KEEPING YOUR COFFERS FILLED ENOUGH TO PAY FOR ANYTHING THAT CROPS UP BUT THE BUILDER WHO OWNS ALL UNSOLD PROPERTIES MUST PAY THE COMMUNITY CHARGE AND THEY ALWAYS PAY IN ARREARS SO THAT THEY DON'T PAY A MONTH TOO MUCH WHEN THEY SELL A PROPERTY. THIS IS GOING TO BE DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO "PASS" IF THE BUILDER HAS SOLD LESS THAN 50% OF THE PROPERTIES AND SO YOU MAY HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL NEXT YEAR. IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO GET AS MANY VOTES IN FROM OWNERS AS POSSIBLE SO THAT YOU CAN "PASS" THINGS LIKE THIS. I HAVE PROPOSED THAT WE DOUBLE THE "FINE" NEXT YEAR.

PAU 8 HAS BEEN BEING BUILT FOR ALMOST 5 YEARS NOW AND WE WERE PROMISED A COMMERCIAL CENTRE IT HAS NOT APPEARED YET AND ACCORDING TO QUITE A FEW PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE AND HAVE BEEN ASKING QUESTIONS, WILL NOT BE ANYTIME SOON. THE REASON FOR THIS, WE HAVE BEEN TOLD, IS THAT THE BUILDERS WAIT UNTIL ALL THE PROPERTIES HAVE BEEN SOLD UNTIL THEY START WORK ON THE COMMERCIAL CENTRE. THE OTHER REASON WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN IS THE MAJOR DEVELOPMENT OF LAS RAMBLAS HAS TAKEN UP ALL AVAILABLE FUNDS. HOW TRUE THIS IS I COULDN'T SAY BUT LAS RAMBLAS IS LOOKING REALLY GOOD AT THE MOMENT. THE FACT THAT WE ARE ONLY 10 MINS STROLL FROM THE PLAZA MAKES IT LESS OF AN ISSUE FOR US.
I HOPE AT LEAST SOME OF THIS IS OF USE TO YOU AND IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS I'LL HELP IF I CAN. ALL THE BEST AND GOOD LUCK AT YOUR A.G.M.
REGARDS JULIE-ANNE.

If you wish me to be your proxy at the meeting 10.00hrs on 1 February at Golf Restaurant in Villamartin (next to Quara offices) then please email me directly using my Eye on Spain username so that I can email you a form and required details.

 



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23 Jan 2008 3:51 PM by termite2 Star rating. 4 forum posts Send private message

The meeting with Marcela in the Quara office was attended by about 30 people, and lasted just over 2hrs. There was NO meeting with Lisa at Canovas, we just called in the office to see her to ask a few questions, which took about five minutes.


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24 Jan 2008 7:44 AM by icwright0705 Star rating in Benfleet, Essex - La.... 31 forum posts Send private message

Apologies for my misunderstanding of times for the meetings and thank you for correcting this.

We still are concerned that the push to set up the community will not resolve all the communal areas problems and ensure that things are completed. This is why we included the contents of the email received from an owner on PAU-8 in Villamartin. 



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25 Jan 2008 9:12 AM by AdamAmy Star rating. 15 forum posts Send private message

Hi there

We have a quad No 72 and will be there on 29th January and definitely will attend the residents meeting.

We understand everyones concerns and would really like to be involved so could you please e mail us with details of what is happening and what we need to do.  ros@harman.karoo.co.uk.   Please call round and have a chat with us.

Look forward to meeting you next week

 

Ros & Steve




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29 Jan 2008 9:35 AM by icwright0705 Star rating in Benfleet, Essex - La.... 31 forum posts Send private message

The following is the email conversation we have had with Canovas. We have asked that the First item on the Agenda be whether or not we wish to start the community at this time and whether or not we would accept a handover from Quara at present.
This request has apparently been ignored and it would seem that regardless of what we as residents may want the community will be set up and we can only discuss afterwards whether we agree to this or not.
We can raise objections within 30 days of this meeting but will they be listened to as a request for a change in the meeting agenda appears to be ignored.
From: CANOVAS INGENIEROS S.L. CANOVAS INGENIEROS S.L. [mailto:canovasingenieros@hotmail.com]
Sent: 29 January 2008 08:14
To: Wright, Ian (ITD Debt Management)
Subject: RE: M3-1 A18 Villamartin
 
Dear Sir,
We note your comments and as previously indicated a representative from Quara will be answering all of your questions.
Regards Canovas
 
 
 
From: Ian.A.Wright
To: canovasingenieros@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: M3-1 A18 Villamartin
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 17:16:52 +0000
 
 
Dear Sirs
 
Thank you for your prompt response.
 
Our concern is that these issues are planned to be discussed under "Any Other Business" which is after the community has been formed. This point in the meeting is too late as we feel that satisfactory resolutions or documented agreements need to be in place before we agree to setting up the community and definitely before we agree to having responsibility handed over to the community.
 
Therefore we request that the first matter on the Agenda must be whether or not we agree to the community being formed at this time and whether or not we would accept the handover from Quara at present.
 
I will be attending the meeting and also hold proxy votes for other owners on M3.
 
Regards
 
Ian & Carol Wright
 
Mobile No 0044 7798 821383
 
From: CANOVAS INGENIEROS S.L. CANOVAS INGENIEROS S.L. [mailto:canovasingenieros@hotmail.com]
Sent: 28 January 2008 17:02
To: Wright, Ian (ITD Debt Management)
Subject: RE: M3-1 A18 Villamartin
 
 
Dear Sir,
 
As previously indicated we are aware that the owners in the community have a number of concerns and accordingly we have invited a representative from Quara to attend the formalization meeting. We have been informed that they will indeed be sending a representative and we have sent an e-mail to them requesting that they have answers to a number of queries you and others have already raised. These topics will be discussed under "Any other business". 
 
We trust you will be attending the meeting and look forward to seeing you then.
 
Regards Canovas
 
From: Ian.A.Wright
To: canovasingenieros@hotmail.com
CC: aftersalesvm@grupoquara.com
Subject: RE: M3-1 A18 Villamartin
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:52:10 +0000
 
 
Dear Sirs
 
Thank you for the information regarding which plots are included in the current proposed community.
 
We have never been advised why the road access from CV941 (Campoamor to San Miguel de Salinas) onto the development was closed off.
When we were in Spain and originally signed the contract (June 2005) we had free access to the development from this road, also when we returned in November 2005 we still had access but when we arrived in 2007 to check property before making final payment we arrived at the usual entrance and found it had been blocked. We had to find our way round to the "temporary" access from the Eagles Nest road.
 
Please can we be advised why this access cannot be allowed now ?
 
 
Regards
Ian & Carol Wright


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