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Hi Solgre,

I fully agree with you about wanting a water contract solely for Phase I and of course we do not want to be paying for Phase II water supplies. But Max says " We have no way to meter the actual consumption by the other phase " and I take this to mean that there is no way to isolate one supply from the other and meter it accordingly.  This is why I am asking what possible solutions are there in this scenario?

With regard to paying for installation of individual water pressure regulators I would support this idea.

This message was last edited by gericom99 on 8/30/2008.

It’s difficult to explain the whole water situation as there have been lots of meeting during August between our administrators and the other parties.

In these meetings it is established that we should only pay for phase I. The councilor promised us that this would be the basis of a contract. Gestagua presented us with three ‘solutions’ to separate the two companies or make them separately billable. In reality these suggestions are not possible to implement. They are based on drawings but the actual lay out is completely different. What we primarily want is that the councilor and the water company accept that the actual situation is completely different from the specifications. When that happens we want to discuss what possible solutions there really are. 

The committee wants more time to find and implement a solution with the town hall and Gestagua. The position of Gestagu is that we have to sign NOW or they will cut us off.

We consider the situation comparable to the discovery that in your brand new house your electricity services other houses as well. In that case you won’t sign, but expect the supplier or the builder to fix the problem. So our hope is the councilor for infra structure. She has much more leverage on Arrohabitatge. The same goes for Gestagua, which acts high handed, accuses us of wanting water for free and who doesn’t recognize that we are unable to enter a contract in which water in unknown quantities goes to another development.

What makes it even more difficult is that Arrohabitatge still didn’t pay for the builders water. As far as I know this claim from Acosol is taken over by Gestagua but they want us (the contract holder) to pay it. We sent a request to Arrohabitatge but got no response. A copy of this demand was requested by the councilor and we hope she intervenes again. So our hope is the councilor for infra structure. She has much more leverage on Arrohabitatge. She would also be able to influence Gestagua, which acts high handed, accuses us of wanting water for free and who doesn’t recognize that we are unable to enter a contract in which water in unknown quantities goes to another development.

I am personally in favour of offering to sign a temporary contract for a few months. This would buy all parties some time to solve the underlying problems, give the AGM the chance to give us more freedom in negotiations and would show our good intentions as we then pay for phase II as well. However at the moment Gestagua just sticks to their contract and is not willing to discuss another one.

We are currently waiting on a response from the councilor. Just two days ago we sent her proof that the situation differs from the drawings so we want to hear her reaction. Remember she accepted that separation of the two phases should be the basis of a contract.

I hope this explanation clears things up. The situation could change very fast as the last few days already have been quite hectic.

 

Max

Regarding the individual pressure regulators I find the discussion premature. Only if we still have problems after installing regulators for each block this could be considered. However I don’t expect major problems. If all blocks are at f.i. 3.5 bar than the penthouses would still have about 2 bar pressure which is enough. The semi-sotanos would have a tiny bit above 3.5 which is completely safe. 

This solution would be much cheaper so I prefer it.

This message was last edited by max! on 8/30/2008.

Hi Max,

I don’t mind what happens as long as a solution is imminent, when are the individual block regulators to be fitted?
Regards, Andy 

The moment the supplier has them in store again. They were ordered well before August, but the building industry is on holiday during the whole month.

I have just spoken to a friend of mine in London who is a corgi registered plumber / heating engineer. He told me the cost for a commercial regulator in the UK for a block including parts and labour would be about £500 or € 600 approx, or about £ 50 plus parts and labour totalling approx £ 110 or € 130 maximum for a regulator for each apartment. I would have thought Spanish prices would be cheaper than London prices.

Westport

Idea

The amount of community water used for fase 1 and fase 2 will be more or less equal.
The total amount is secured by one meter.
The water used by the owners is secured by personal water meters.

If it is possible to split the bill of community water into two halfs:
One for arrohabitage (or community Phase 2) and the other to our community Phase 1 then the problem is solved.
This means that there are two contract owners which are both for 50% responsible for the payments.
I don't know if this is possible by Legal but it is an idea to think about and to find a safe construction. 

In the end the another solution is to takeover the community of  phase 2
One bill, one decision, one united group of individuals.
With the knowledge we have now it could also beneficial for us to solve the existing problems.

Best regards,
René

Hi Rene,

Phase 1(10 blocks) is likely to use twice as much water than phase 2 with only 5 blocks. I always thought that it would be a good idea to have all the phases in the same community but Max has advised that this would be impossible. I also doubt that Nuria would vote for Max as VP.  
:-) 

Regards, Andy

Well I think you are right but after delivery of the appartments people who bought in Phase 2 would be glad to join us.
So within one year the developper will be set aside by their community thats for sure!
Best regards,
René

 Our strategy of not giving in seems to have paid off again. We still have water and the promoter is now cutting all the garden water connections between phase I and II. I assume our last appeal at the counselor bore fruit as they started work on Monday. We’ll wait and see if they install meters at all these points or rearrange the whole system.

Max

Thats good news Max!!
Thanks for your effort!

Please make sure that if Gestaqua comes in that they check or that the gardeners will check the meter of the community water if it runs while they are not consuming any water and phase 2 is using water.
To verify that all connections to phase two are really blocked.

By the way.
To let install your personal water meter from gestaqua, what will be the procedure?

Best regards,
René

Can anyone explain what the water charge of € 230 is for. Is it a one off connection fee with individual meter installed. Does anyone know will our bills be monthly, quarterly, 6 monthly or yearly. How will non residents be able to set up our accounts.

Westport

Hi Westport,
Here is a quote from the general boards which answers part of your question:
"Water (every 3 months) standing charge €7.75, "sanitation" €3.31, "purification" €1.37, plus IVA @ 7% = €10.81 (plus charges based on usage)."
I have also read that the total cost including usage is higher than the charge for electricity. I expect there will be a connection fee but don't know if the 230€ is correct.
With regard to signing up while you are not there. This issue has been raised with the President and he has promised to agree a mechanism with the water company. Obviously this is a common problem and I am sure they have a procedure for dealing with it.

Hi Davmunster

Is the € 10.81 for 3 months, or per month.

Westport

hi if you add all 3 its not 10.81plus vat irene

You are right Irene. Shame on you Davmunster. Maybe you could be our new administrator :-)

hi westport my friend lives in the costa del sol 2 people and his water bill for a year is 150 euros to 180 bye irene

Hi Westport
I simply copied and pasted those figures from a post by Roberto who is Irene's chief advisor on the general boards. I guess the important figure based on Irene's post is that we can expect to have an annual bill of something under 200€. That said there is talk in the papers of 1 Spanish water company increasing prices by 25%.

Hi my friend lives in the port of benalmadena they have been president and there names are iris and victor  but roberto has also been president but i dont no him that well.irene

Hi Max,

Any news on the pressure regulators for each block.
Regards, Andy