Solution to Phase 2 Mortgages

Having been contacted from a person from phase 2 yesterday with regards to outstanding mortgages and possible solutions I have spoken at lenghth to Rafeal and he has told me that their is a meeting next week with Cam Bank to make a solution and has said I can go with him to see for myself what he is doing to fix the problem, so I will let everyone on phase 2 know the out come ASAP

thanks

Andy

We thank you for your time on this but the only solution we want is over property handed over to us free of loans.

Solutions are for trampolin to finance and there should be no cost to us buyers we hope that the solutions include people like andrew who have no villas to live in after paying 200,000 odd euro and a new buyer living in his property.

lets not forget these boys have done a great job in building el trampolin however the problems of water electric and no deeds have soured our relationship with them,what we want is the correct solution for all and our villas or cash back

We all have lawyers watching and in many cases acting and the net closing on both cam bank and the boys,so a solution is great news and again many thanks for helping out

Hi Andy

What day are you going to Can bank this week?

Sorry for the delay in replying  but I am currrently in the UK

Andrew my relationship with people has no bearing on this issue at all the facts are their is a problem with phase 2 and mortgages now you have chosen the  legal route and won your case as would all the people from phase 2 but the problem with that is then you have to enforce your victory and the only way to do this is to put an embargo on other peoples property for evryone that doesnt know what an embargo is its like a charge on the property so you can basically force the people to pay or take the house their are 2 resolutions to the embargo  you take the house from the home owner and sell it, this wont happen as you are fully aware they have a contarct which precides your action and they can challenge the embargo and over turn it. The other is very simalar to a CCJ in the UK you have the victory but no assets to claim ,so legal with a solicitor is an expensive option but not gaurantted to be the solution.

For me a much better option is to approch the CAM bank collectivly which Rafeal is doing,they are aware as you know that their is a problem  they then let all the properties go to escritura releasing the capital in the houses and then my arrangements with Trampolin for the outstanding balance this is by far the best option for everyone and is very possible as all parties win the bank recieves much need liquidity the clients get their houses and at the end of the day thats all everyone wants, should this resolutin not work their is a legal solution but it will have to be done on a group basis and will also resolve this problem but it could be expensive and lenghty and at present I dont feel that it needs to be discussed at this point I think we need to see the out come of the meeting with CAM and take it from their but be assured my only intrest in this is for everyone to get their papers

Thanks

Andy

Hi again Andy … Look, I accept the reasoning behind your response BUT … as I pointed out in an earlier “thread” … the real problem here is that inn a great number of instances people have paid for their properties in full and find large Mortgages outstanding; others have made the majority and the amounts they still owe are far less than the amounts due to CAM Bank. However, the problem does not end there Andy since I know of at least one property … paid for in full … which has embargo’s against it totalling over €600K! My previous “thread” last year highlighted this problem. In short, the situation as I see it is that Trampolin may stand to collect in €X million on completion but will have to pay out maybe twice that to sign the properties over to their rightful owners.

Andy, my case is perhaps quite different since a further dimension has been involved by Trampolin constructing a second, fraudulent contract, with Mr an Mrs Philips to sell my villa to them. YOU MORE THAN ANYONE know that I was ready to complete once I could gain free title to the property. The amount I owed to Trampolin was some 2/3rds of the amount THEY owed to CAM Bank and I tried very hard about 12 months ago to resolve this myself with CAM Bank in La Manga. The Bank suggested they could not take a “single property” out of the whole Mortgage and so we arrived at the stalemate we have today. My Solicitors, IBERBRIT in La Manga, wrote repeatedly to Trampolin asking for solutions and received NO REPLY. It was AT THAT POINT that we elected to take the matter to Court and … as usual … Trampolin / Rafael failed to attend and hence the embargos which I achieved. The next step, which we be commenced next week, is to commence “Criminal” proceedings for fraud against Trampolin and .. sadly … against it sole “Legal appointed” Director … RAFAEL! Rafael contacted my Lawyers about 10 days ago in an attempt to avert this action and promised to supply three “Nota Simples” (not too sure what these are) to secure our debt. Since that time my lawyers have telephoned Trampolin several times and he has failed respond. I am still prepared to complete on my property based upon my prior contract but where exactly does this leave Mr and Mrs Philips … facing eviction?????

Andy … you see the situation is very different to the rosy scenario you are trying to project AND YOU KNOW IT. I respect the fact that you are trying to be a “calming influence” on this situation and the sincerity of your motivation. However … with potentially a huge deficit on the projects and Rafael potentially facing Jail for fraud this still leaves everyone extremely vulnerable! Quite simply, like everyone else, I either want my property transferred to me or my money (plus of course the contracted costs and interest) returned to me AS DO THE MANY OTHERS WHO HAVE CONTACTED ME!

Kind regards       Andrew

Thanks Andy for your reply.

If Cam release the charge on the properties,they are going to want the cash from somewhere.

If Trampolin have taken like on my property the full amount they are going to be short of funds to pay back Cam,-therefore Trampolin should borrow up against other sites to pay off and finish the first site

So the question is when are trampolin going to see Cam bank and who will give us the truth of this meeting?

Hi Elginger ... I have read your response but fear everyone is missing the point here ... look at the Grupo Trampolin website ... the only mention there is of ONE single individual ... Snr Antonio!!!!!!!! El Trampolin / Solera have as the sole LEGAL Director Rafael ... I fear he is going to be "hung out to dry" by Antonio and that the intention is to bankrupt this company having milked it to feed TH. OK ... eventually the link will be proved but WHEN; hence taking criminal action now! Remember if you will that all the deposits from TH have now been spent on flash cars and helicopter lessons for Antonio so what have they got to offer to a Bank. Even without the "history" of these three thieves would you seriously consider investing millions of Euros into YET ANOTHER property complex in Murcia. The Banks are hard pressed as it is with even rumblings now about the comparative giant Santander ... sadly I just cannot see it happening. Kind regards  Andrew

 Good luck andrew

Just to advise everyone ... THERE IS NO MEETING planned with CAM Bank to include Andy or indeed Rafael. I will be there next week with my lawyers and attempt to establish what is happening and advise the forum accordingly. Meanwhile you should all be aware that the three thieves are drawing as much money down from the development as they can and have absolutely no intention of repaying any of their debts. Together with, i believe, Richard they find the whole situation very amusing ... what is the phrase about "he who laughs last"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have been very careful until now about saying too much about Andy Wild on Eye on Spain because I have been prepared until now to keep an “open mind” about his involvement with the “3 partners” at Trampolin. Andy knows full well that I am ABSOLUTELY aware of his past associations  and just what he can and cannot do but propose to say little more at this time. Having said that, and having received several calls from him this morning, I wish to place on file this is now the second time he has attempted to threaten me … indeed even as I type this he is calling me again.

All of you be aware … BE VERY AWARE … Andy is firmly in the pockets of Grupo Trampolin and Antonio. He is also fully aware of my legal rights in connection with the property known as “Plot 82” currently occupied by Richard’s Aunt and Uncle … Mr and Mrs Philips. He is also doubtless aware of the large sums of money which have passed through the hands of Trampolin on completions since the start of the year and the fact that ALL of this has been drained away by the partners.

I would urge all of you to be very very careful before parting with any more money to these individuals who have absolutely NO INTENTION of dealing with it honourably. To you in particular, Andy, you know exactly what the true position is. You KNOW that I have paid a considerable sum of money towards the purchase of Plot 82 on the ONLY legitimate contract (Mr and Mrs Philips’s contract is fraudulent) and simply want either my money or the property returned to me. DO NOT telephone me again attempting to threaten me simply for seeking what is rightfully mine. To you Mr and Mrs Philips be aware that my lawyer does have a copy of your contract and that we are also aware that you have parted with yet more money towards a contract on which you may not be able to complete.

The three Amigoes (Crooks) appear to have now crawled under their stones, i only hope that people will all now realise just as how we have all been robbed.

Can we all say thank you to Keith for the excellent work he did and the way in which he kept us all informed.

Therefore it needs us All to stick together to try to resolve this complete mess.

i have just go to el trampolin today for the weekend and will be going round to see Andy Wild to get to the buttom of what is going on.

Marciaman

Hi Murcia man ... I agree with you entirely ... WE DO all need to stick together but sadly all too many individuals do not have the courage of their convictions. In my case they have robbed me of +-€200K and are stupid enough to believe I will not fight to get it back. As far as Andy is concerned he forgets that I know exactly what his background is and that WERE I IN THE WRONG then I maight well back off. However. I am NOT in the wrong and so will not bow down to pressure to back off; indeed I have just been advised only a few minutes ago of another couple in an identical situation to my own only to find Antonio has moved in their house with his girlfriend. Maybe everyone should step forward ... reveal their true identities ... and stand up to be counted alongside me. Kind regards Andrew

Hi Andrew i will be counted alongside with you Andrew we sould allstand as one.

Check the Trampolin site and see the Embargo of the banking accounts

James Bass

Mr. Murcia man,  this information regarding the Bank......WAS LAST YEAR!!!!!  You can check on the BORM (Boletin Oficial de la Región de Murcia) date; February 20th,  2008.

Kind regards,

RTH

rth

Do you work for Grupo Trampolin? If so, can you explain why the embargo was put in palce and if it is still there.

Thanks

HI Jogary,

Is that a link to the boletin as these appear to be dated 2008 ? There were definitely bank embargoes a year ago which I remember reading about. They were apparantly due to unpaid social security, if I am not mistaken.

Jackie

Trampolin HIlls

Phase II

Hi,

These entries regarding embargoes were published in the BORM dated 5th February 2009:

http://www.carm.es/borm/documento?obj=bol&id=37193

B53908281 TRAMPOLIN HILL GOLF RESORT SL 10693/2008 NOTIFICACIÓN DE EMBARGO DE CRÉDITOS Y DERECHOS

only one I found from the pdf file was the above one as you can see it is 2008 (look at the reference date as set in bold) same as your link below.

so still confused. but then I may be missing the 5th Februrary 2009 one, still cant find it ?

Jackie,

This document on the BORM website was created on Thursday 5th February, look at the header on the title page: